Wisconsin Badgers 2019-2020 Season Thread

[Still Eeyore]

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This is the women's forum, so I don't post much about men's teams. It's not my fault if you don't like what you read on some other forum. Let's look at Penn State women's team. Just about any female coach would have been a better option as the program's first coach. But was the problem that the AD hired a man or that the AD hired a poor coach for the position?

Most of the people that I promote to leadership positions at my workplace tend to be women, but that is because there are more qualified female candidates. I find it to be limiting to say than any hire has to be of a certain gender, because the job requirements are a set of skills, not physical attributes.

This is not an issue that can be isolated by saying, "I only talk about women's sports." Doing so requires ignoring the elephant that is squeezing everything else out of the room. When it comes to hiring coaches, being male is always a requirement to coach a men's team, but people only claim that the candidate pool is limited when discussing hiring a woman to coach women. That means that women have to cross a barrier that men never do.

Even when a school is determined to hire a woman to coach women, that isn't the only criterion on their list for who they hire.* There was a long list of things that the new coach was supposed to be able to do. Out of that list of attributes, you're focusing on "Female" as the problem. Maybe you ought to spend your time focusing on the attributes that actually matter to the job, and figure out why a given hire wasn't successful.

So long as affirmative action for mediocre white men is allowed to pass by without comment, making a big deal when someone tries to hire a woman or person of color is a problem.

*And if it is the only criterion on their list, the problem still isn't that a woman was hired. It's that the hiring was done by morons.

 

[NMH]

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*And if it is the only criterion on their list, the problem still isn't that a woman was hired. It's that the hiring was done by morons.

There's a very serious conversation to be had about the development of women coaches, as well.

There ARE few women with the experience to take head coaching jobs because there are few women in assistant jobs and few women in HS HC jobs and few women encouraged or supported to coach at the pee wee level. There has to be mentorship and support to make sure that women are moving up the ranks. It's a systemic issue that has improved slightly in recent years, but that is going to take a concerted effort to continue to change. The growth of the game at the playing level means there are now more former players to go into coaching roles and we are seeing former players getting roles as assistants, but that can't be the only model to get women coaches, either. Secondly (or concurrently) - women tend to get a shorter rope, have a higher standard to achieve to be considered successful and, when they are let go, they rarely get the (countless) new and additional chances that men get.

TLDR; it's a systemic issue that starts at the bottom and requires widespread work and it's disingenuous to talk about whether or not there are "qualified" women if you don't examine WHY there aren't

 

[Timothy A]

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It's a great day for hockey! Let's see 2 games today.

 

[robertearle]

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The 'news' from the Badger game today is that #1 goalie, Kristine Campbell, did not play and was not dressed. Unknown (to me. anyway) how long she might be out. She was at the game, on the bench with no obvious cast on a wrist or arm in a sling, etc.. So most like the ever popular unknown 'lower body' injury.

(She was sitting on the bench during warm-ups, and I was trying to watch for when she left, to see if I could see a boot, etc., but I looked away at the wrong moment, and missed her leaving. Maybe Tim saw something more from his angle?)

I did the 'double-header' and went to the men's game tonight; and before the start, I saw Badger play-by-play announcer Brian Posick (father of Badger player Maddie Posick). So I said 'if I ask you what is up with Campbell, will I get an answer?', and he said he didn't know - convincingly - and that he had seen her Thursday (I think) and she had looked OK. He gave the impression that it wasn't anything 'long term', but said he didn't know.

Breanna Blessi played well (though seemed a bit 'anxious' to play a couple dump-ins during the first period), pitching a shut-out on 13 saves.

 

[Timothy A]

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The 'news' from the Badger game today is that #1 goalie, Kristine Campbell, did not play and was not dressed. Unknown (to me. anyway) how long she might be out. She was at the game, on the bench with no obvious cast on a wrist or arm in a sling, etc.. So most like the ever popular unknown 'lower body' injury.

(She was sitting on the bench during warm-ups, and I was trying to watch for when she left, to see if I could see a boot, etc., but I looked away at the wrong moment, and missed her leaving. Maybe Tim saw something more from his angle?)

I did the 'double-header' and went to the men's game tonight, and before the start, I saw Badger play-by-play announcer Brian Posick (father of Badger player Maddie Posick). So I said 'if I ask you what is up with Campbell, will I get an answer?', and he said he didn't know - convincingly - and that he had seen her Thursday (I think) and she had looked OK. He gave the impression that it wasn't anything 'long term', but said he didn't know.

Todd D tweeted a lower body injury and I got the impression it wasn't serious. Cece has been MIA quite a bit lately and they only dressed 2 G today. I wonder what is up with Cece? Tomorrow I hope see if she's on the bench for warm-ups. Blesi played very well, she looked very composed out there.

Roque did not get a point today! Watts had 4 a and had some crazy good scoring chances. Tomorrow we cash in for ice cream, maybe we get a double

I did the double today too, it was a sad state of affairs over in the Kohl. I'd be insane if the women's team did not exist. And Buffalo Wild Wings screwed up my order. So mad, no time to wait for a redo. It's shocking how slow their service is when all they do is fry everything. Do they only have 2 fry baskets per store?

 

[ARM]

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Todd D tweeted a lower body injury and I got the impression it wasn't serious.

With female hockey players, when you hear "upper body injury", you think of a concussion, and "lower body injury" is most often a hip. Many of them play through such an injury, take a weekend or two off when the schedule permits, and then have surgery in the offseason. To clarify, I know nothing of Campbell's situation, and it could just as easily be a sprain or a contusion and I wouldn't know any differently.

 

[robertearle]

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Todd D tweeted a lower body injury and I got the impression it wasn't serious.

Thanks. I had not thought to check his Twitter feed. "Day to day" makes me feel better.

(Though ESPN/MSNBC's Keith Olbermann liked to point out that we're all playing day-to-day )

 

[Timothy A]

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With female hockey players, when you hear "upper body injury", you think of a concussion, and "lower body injury" is most often a hip. Many of them play through such an injury, take a weekend or two off when the schedule permits, and then have surgery in the offseason. To clarify, I know nothing of Campbell's situation, and it could just as easily be a sprain or a contusion and I wouldn't know any differently.

I agree on your reading the tea leaves of injuries. Soup was on the bench laughing and having a good time during warm-ups, so I think if it was a BIG game, she would have played. The absence of Cece has me perplexed. The printed roster also had Blesi as a Jr, but on the website ands from what we knew going into this year she is a RS So. I'm really excited to see her play the next 2 years for UW.

Of course I really enjoyed the bloodbath today. The 2nd period was not good for UW, they came out discombobulated and just never got anything going. I suppose after you score 6 in the first period it's natural to let down the second period, but I was disappointed they succumbed to that. I was rooting for the 4th line to score and they saw a lot of ice time the last 2 periods, but it was no to be. It was disappointing the refs decided to not call any penalties anymore at some point, but breaking the rules does require an arm to go up. Mauermann should have got the gate on one play and there were 3 clear penalties on the Huskies that they just pretended didn't happen.

 

[gwhinwi]

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Added Gervais to next years recruiting class based on the info posted in the last few days.

 

[NMH]

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Mark told us in post-game on Saturday that Campbell left practice on Friday and he didn't see what happened. He just realized they only had two goalies on the ice and had to ask what happened. Blesi said she knew Friday night that she was possible to start - she called her parents and they were able to make it to the game. But the official decision on who would play wasn't made until just before the game. So the day to day is a legit answer and they did test Campbell before Saturday's game. As someone said earlier, I got the feeling that if it were a different opponent, things MAY have gone differently.

I didn't make the trip to Madison today, so I don't have any post-game/interview knowledge, but I'd guess that with how Blesi played yesterday, they didn't even both to try out Campbell before today and just let Blesi do it.

 

[robertearle]

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Blesi said she knew Friday night that she was possible to start - she called her parents and they were able to make it to the game.

I noticed them, wearing their cardinal 'Blesi' jerseys, and actually looked at the lineup card to see how far they had to come, guessing it was on 'short notice'. (Maple Grove, MN) Glad they could be there for it.

 

[Timothy A]

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Mark told us in post-game on Saturday that Campbell left practice on Friday and he didn't see what happened. He just realized they only had two goalies on the ice and had to ask what happened. Blesi said she knew Friday night that she was possible to start - she called her parents and they were able to make it to the game. But the official decision on who would play wasn't made until just before the game. So the day to day is a legit answer and they did test Campbell before Saturday's game. As someone said earlier, I got the feeling that if it were a different opponent, things MAY have gone differently.

I didn't make the trip to Madison today, so I don't have any post-game/interview knowledge, but I'd guess that with how Blesi played yesterday, they didn't even both to try out Campbell before today and just let Blesi do it.

Any insights as to where Cece has been lately?

 

[Randy26]

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Added Gervais to next years recruiting class based on the info posted in the last few days.

Gervais should be a good new addition to the team as she seems got good attitude.

 

[Timothy A]

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Any insights as to where Cece has been lately?

I tweeted at Todd D and he publicly responded that she has been suspended from the team for the last few months. This makes me feel sad. From a depth standpoint it's tricky because Kronish allowed 2 against LIU on 9 shots (very small sample size yes) but none the less I was nervous with Soup out and her as the back-up. I was hoping they'd give Kronish the 3rd period on Sunday for some more game experience, but they did not. They could probably rest Soup another week if they need to just to be safe for the big push.

Blesi looked rock solid out there. The only goal she gave up was a knock a rebounded puck out of the air by St. Cloud's best player, a very impressive play by her. It's hard not to think she will not be at St. Cloud all 4 years. She looked very impressive overall.

 

[HCSmooth]

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Ha! Love that highlight. I had just reminded my son of that play before the faceoff that lead to the SS OT winner. Awesome.

A coach should be hired solely on their ability to do the job and nothing else.

Yes. Fortunately the pool of female coaching candidates will be much larger the next time Minnesota and Wisconsin jobs open up. The growth of the sport has really been something since the '98 Olympics debut. Great to see some of the women I have watched start to dip their toes into the coaching waters. But, I hope Wisconsin doesn't have to worry about this for another 20 years

 

[Timothy A]

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. Great to see some of the women I have watched start to dip their toes into the coaching waters. But, I hope Wisconsin doesn't have to worry about this for another 20 years

Amen to that.

 

[Timothy A]

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Nice article by Todd D on the superline breakup today. I will say I was dismayed to read in the 5-4 OT win that Roque's line was on the ice for 3 of the rodent goals. Egads! Roque did say that it was good the next game they did not allow any goals. That was a great bounce back performance for the team as a whole. And they kept the foot on the gas the following weekend too.

So the question of the week is will Soup play this weekend?

 

[Tool Shed]

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Nice article by Todd D on the superline breakup today. I will say I was dismayed to read in the 5-4 OT win that Roque's line was on the ice for 3 of the rodent goals. Egads! Roque did say that it was good the next game they did not allow any goals. That was a great bounce back performance for the team as a whole. And they kept the foot on the gas the following weekend too.

So the question of the week is will Soup play this weekend?

If the girls play both ways this team is really good! I hope Blesi gets another weekend so they can let Campbell get ready for Senior night & the stretch run. Blesi needs a few games if Campbell has any issues going forward. The big question will be to see if the Badgers have more fans in Mankato than they do!

 

[robertearle]

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So the question of the week is will Soup play this weekend?

Instagram (pretty amazingly) decided today to show me a video posted on Campbell's account with a caption "on the road to Mankato" that shows somebody using a Hypervolt tissue massage device on the arch of somebody else's left foot. It isn't even clear who is getting the foot massage or who is giving it. But the Hypervolt has a "K Campbell" sticker on it, and is something that someone *might* use to treat such things as plantar fasciitis, or a bone stress reaction, etc.

(Earlier this year, I noticed UW volleyball player Dana Rettke using one on her leg during the breaks of a match.)

Posted FWIW.

(Instagram 'suggests' new posts based on whatever other posts you clicked on in the past. I have certainly clicked on posts from various UW teams, and through them UW players.)

 

[robertearle]

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Instagram (pretty amazingly) decided today to show me a video posted on Campbell's account with a caption "on the road to Mankato" that shows somebody using a Hypervolt tissue massage device on the arch of somebody else's left foot. It isn't even clear who is getting the foot massage or who is giving it. But the Hypervolt has a "K Campbell" sticker on it, and is something that someone *might* use to treat such things as plantar fasciitis, or a bone stress reaction, etc.

(Earlier this year, I noticed UW volleyball player Dana Rettke using one on her leg during the breaks of a match.)

Posted FWIW.

(Instagram 'suggests' new posts based on whatever other posts you clicked on in the past. I have certainly clicked on posts from various UW teams, and through them UW players.)

And now there's a post of a half-dozen photos from today's practice in Mankato. And one of the photos is of two Badger goalies warming up, etc. And while the practice jerseys don't have numbers, one of them is wearing Kronish's helmet, and the other is wearing one of Campbell's helmets....