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Wisconsin Badgers 2014-2015

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CrazyDave said:
Agreed. SOG after the first period were 11-6 Gophers, but the Badgers had numerous shot attempts blocked and/or go wide. If those had been on-net, they would have been in.
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This is an ongoing issue for the Badgers and one that I'll agree will lessen as Pankowski et al age/mature, but I will also say that I felt it was more pronounced this weekend than normal.

Put it down to being the first game back from break, or being hyped against Minnesota or the yips or whatever reasoning you want to put on it, but the girls were sailing shots in a way that they haven't tended to do otherwise this season. They were peppering the glass and boards behind Leveille, which just isn't their normal MO. It was worse on Saturday, but it happened some on Sunday, too.

As ARM mentioned, Minny blocked quite a few in the 1st period Sunday - the Badgers attempted 24 shots, but only 6 were on goal. 11 of those were blocked, but the rest were scattered. They settled some for the other two periods, but that's indicative of the issue over the weekend.
It wasn't til the end of Saturday's game that I really crystallized the thought about the ladies sailing all those shots, so I didn't keep track of shots attempted vs on goal that game and I didn't see final stats sheets for either game, sadly.

Additionally, and I think this is two-fold, the Badgers were shooting from way outside, especially on Saturday. Ammerman and Turnbull have been a little stymied and I think they was looking for a breakthrough, so were putting pucks on net from pretty much wherever they got them on the ice. My thoughts on Leveille's tendency to give up rebounds are well documented (on Twitter anyway). Minny does a great job of surrounding her and packing the crease with great defenders. Because of that packed in D, I think the Badgers were shooting pucks from further out, looking for deflections or having Leveille screened by her own players. Unfortunately, the girls were rarely on target and those pucks were sailing all over the place.
 
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tristarscoop said:
Put it down to being the first game back from break, or being hyped against Minnesota or the yips or whatever reasoning you want to put on it, but the girls were sailing shots in a way that they haven't tended to do otherwise this season. They were peppering the glass and boards behind Leveille, which just isn't their normal MO. It was worse on Saturday, but it happened some on Sunday, too.
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You are missing the obvious. Minnesota is a much better team than Wisconsin is used to seeing. They had much less time and space to make their decision & their shot. The same thing happens to Minnesota when they play Wisconsin, plays that go bang-bang-in against the rest of the world just don't happen as often. 2 great teams making life difficult for each other.
 
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tristarscoop said:
As ARM mentioned, Minny blocked quite a few in the 1st period Sunday - the Badgers attempted 24 shots, but only 6 were on goal. 11 of those were blocked, but the rest were scattered. They settled some for the other two periods, but that's indicative of the issue over the weekend.
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Is attempted and blocked shot data for Div 1 women's hockey publicly available anywhere?
 
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wwhyte said:
http://www.hockeyeastonline.com/stats/filtersw15.php gives blocks and SOG. I assume SOG means shots that aren't blocked? If so I don't know how to get shots that are blocked rather than getting saved or scoring.
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It's interesting that they give blocked shots as an individual stat but not as a team stat. It also doesn't include attempted shots, which includes goals, saves, blocked shots, and unblocked shots that miss the net.
 
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Sunday's game Minnesota blocked 27 shots, UW blocked 5!

Gives some indication to the tenor of the game:eek:
 
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Eeyore said:
It's interesting that they give blocked shots as an individual stat but not as a team stat. It also doesn't include attempted shots, which includes goals, saves, blocked shots, and unblocked shots that miss the net.
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Adding to the confusion, at least in the ECAC, are the "live stats" that will report blocks, and very occasionally a shot as "wide," but invariably describe any other shot other than a goal as both "missed" and a "save" at the same time. It seems to me you can miss a shot high and/or wide, but an unblocked shot on goal is either a score or a save, never a "miss". Does anyone know who/what generates this terminology for "live stats"? Granted, they aren't official, but they're maddening nonetheless.
 
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any stat other than goal or assist is somewhat questionable
earlier I found a score sheet where a player was credited with an assist but according to the score sheet wasn't on the ice

ne7minder said:
You are missing the obvious. Minnesota is a much better team than Wisconsin is used to seeing. They had much less time and space to make their decision & their shot. The same thing happens to Minnesota when they play Wisconsin, plays that go bang-bang-in against the rest of the world just don't happen as often. 2 great teams making life difficult for each other.
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exactly
the unsung heroes of Sunday's game was the MN defense
probably best described as bend but not break
they had their hands full but helped Leveille only give up 1
 
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pokechecker said:
earlier I found a score sheet where a player was credited with an assist but according to the score sheet wasn't on the ice
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That is fairly common, whether or not it is accurate. For example, Lee Stecklein had an assist on UM's Sunday goal, but didn't get a plus. It can be true, particularly for a defenseman who makes an outlet pass and then goes off on a line change and is not among those being counted in the goal celebration.
 
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http://www.snappytv.com/snaps/bsuseriespreview_final_gq2d1i

Pretty nice series preview video.

Bemidji always seems to play well down in Madison. Badgers just need to get back to business. I didn't realize that Rolfes didn't play in Minnesota. Hopefully she is back in the line-up sooner than later. Don't have a ton of depth on defense.

Late comment on the upcoming price increase. While it is still a great value, I will be e-mailing the appropriate contact person at UW and see if that means less weekday games and more (or even any) of the band.
 
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While I certainly don't break down tape, it seems like Drake has made a decent transition to defenseman when the situation calls for it. She also adds some size on the blue-line.
 
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Badger Booster said:
http://www.snappytv.com/snaps/bsuseriespreview_final_gq2d1i

Pretty nice series preview video.

Bemidji always seems to play well down in Madison. Badgers just need to get back to business. I didn't realize that Rolfes didn't play in Minnesota. Hopefully she is back in the line-up sooner than later. Don't have a ton of depth on defense.

Late comment on the upcoming price increase. While it is still a great value, I will be e-mailing the appropriate contact person at UW and see if that means less weekday games and more (or even any) of the band.
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I was watching for Rolfes and did not see her play, but I didn't know if I and the camera was just missing her. Now I know why I didn't see her. My daughter will be bummed, that's her favorite player. Bummer for Rolfes as well, she missed a bunch of time early in the year and just seemed to be coming around nicely.

Agree 100% on the Friday aft games and the lack of a band. Both suck and UW needs to do something about it. Who is the appropriate person to nag @ UW for these issues?

I'll have a nice group of 7 with me for Friday and just the wife, daughter and I for Saturday's game.
 
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pokechecker said:
the unsung heroes of Sunday's game was the MN defense
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I don't know how they can ever be the unsung hero of this team.

I said this on Twitter while at the games this weekend, but clearly since folks on here are consistently surprised by information that was put out on Twitter days ago, many of you aren't on there. It's always an interesting and fine line covering college athletes as a journo - on the women's side, they're even younger than the men, so I'm always pretty aware and careful about the criticism that I dole out.

That being said, I think something that somehow doesn't get talked about is the significant amount of rebounds that Leveille gives up. Not only does she rarely stop a puck the first time around, but the pucks she puts back out are scary and dangerous. She's not deflecting them wide or out to the boards. One of the reasons it's not a topic is that they rarely, if ever, bite the team and end up in the back of the net and that's because of a truly stout and spectacular defense.

As far as I'm concerned, no one should stop talking about how great this defense is. They create a wall around Leveille and the crease so that offenses can't even get close enough to get a puck on the spectacular amount of juicy rebounds she gives up. If feels like the current holy grail of women's hockey is to figure out a way to get anywhere close to the net and those pucks.

I feel like when Leveille gets honored for things, the voters only look at the stat line or the score line and incorrectly assume that it means she's the top goalie in the country and that's doing a disservice to other goalies in the country and to the defenders who are actually responsible for keeping Minnesota's opponents off the board.

I'm not trying to pick on one person, but instead point out that we need to look beyond stat lines and really watch the games. And also to give credit to Stecklein, et al, who are just plain kicking butt back there.

Additionally, while I agree that Minny is part of what kept the Badgers to the perimeter and taking longer shots, they still aren't the ones that were making them fire wide and off-target. And the Badgers didn't have this same problem (at least not to this extent that I remember) when the two teams played in Madison in October. Were it a consistent issue when the two teams played, clearly that's the cause and effect. But I haven't seen that pattern emerge.
 
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Re: Stats

My limited knowledge is this:

A shot on goal (SOG) has to have a reaction - either a save or goal. If none of those things are also recorded, it's not a SOG.

So a puck off the post is not actually an SOG.

The stat sheet has to tally - meaning Team A's SOG has to add up to Team A's number of goals + Team B's saves. If it does not tally, something's wrong and the stat team will have to decide how to fix it at the end of the period.

(When I did this for a professional soccer team, we usually made it work by giving the appropriate stat to someone on the team who would be going for a team/league high to help pad their stats)

This is why, when you see someone post a shot chart from a game, they mark the shots differently. The shooter is marked by their jersey number and then every shot is marked a different way (SOG, PP, Shorty, etc...)
Here's one from the first period on Sunday. The key to which shot is which is listed under the rink http://t.co/2dqYQRGvhR

(Edited to be correct and not include blocks)
 
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tristarscoop said:
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My limited knowledge is this:

A shot on goal (SOG) has to have a reaction - either a block, save or goal. If none of those things are also recorded, it's not a SOG.

So a puck off the post is not actually an SOG.

The stat sheet has to tally - meaning Team A's SOG has to add up to Team A's number of goals + Team B's saves + Team B's blocks. If it does not tally, something's wrong and the stat team will have to decide how to fix it at the end of the period.

(When I did this for a professional soccer team, we usually made it work by giving the appropriate stat to someone on the team who would be going for a team/league high to help pad their stats)

This is why, when you see someone post a shot chart from a game, they mark the shots differently. The shooter is marked by their jersey number and then every shot is marked a different way (SOG, PP, Shorty, etc...)
Here's one from the first period on Sunday. The key to which shot is which is listed under the rink http://t.co/2dqYQRGvhR
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A shot on goal is either a goal or a save. A post, block, miss, as well as shots are combined to total attempts.

This holds true at any level. Strangely Mike Emmerick has a different view. Last weekend when the Bruins played the Penguins there was a long period at the start of the second where the Bs did not register a shot. Finally, there was a line change with a dump in on net. Fleury had to stop the puck to prevent it from entering the net. (The standard by which you judge whether or not the goalie made a save.)

Emmerick had a different take, saying "and the Bruins still don't have a shot on net because you have to mean it for it to count."
 
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tristarscoop said:
Re: Stats

My limited knowledge is this:

A shot on goal (SOG) has to have a reaction - either a block, save or goal. If none of those things are also recorded, it's not a SOG.
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A block is not a SOG. Only those saved by the goalie or goals are SOG.
 
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I always thought shot on goal is any shot that enters the net or any shot that would normally have entered the net if not stopped by the goalie. Shots that deflect off the posts or crossbar and stay out of the net are not counted as shots on goal.

Yes, a goal counts as a shot on net. However it obviously does not count as a save for the goalie.
 
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frozenfeet said:
Shots that deflect off the posts or crossbar and stay out of the net are not counted as shots on goal.
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Unless the goalie gets a piece of a shot headed toward the net causing it to hit metal and stay out, and then it is officially a save, not a post.
 
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