sunprairie
Badger Backer
I’d like to think it simply revealed that being elite in the ECAC does not equate to being elite in other conferences.
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Wisconsin 2020 Off-season thread - Serenity Now!
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I’d like to think it simply revealed that being elite in the ECAC does not equate to being elite in other conferences.
MadCityRich
20 Years and Counting
Re: Wisconsin 2020 Off-season thread - Serenity Now!
Fact
I’d like to think it simply revealed that being elite in the ECAC does not equate to being elite in other conferences.
Fact
Timothy A
Let's go RED!
Re: Wisconsin 2020 Off-season thread - Serenity Now!
Surely the B7 is a better hockey conference, we all can agree on that, but the gap can't be that big.
I’d like to think it simply revealed that being elite in the ECAC does not equate to being elite in other conferences.
Surely the B7 is a better hockey conference, we all can agree on that, but the gap can't be that big.
sunprairie
Badger Backer
Pair that gap with a kid who came in completely believing his own press and you have a perfect storm for what we observed after he left St. Lawrence.
Timothy A
Let's go RED!
Re: Wisconsin 2020 Off-season thread - Serenity Now!
I would think/hope he could have got his groove back in the minors after dealing with a bad year like that at UW.
I would think/hope he could have got his groove back in the minors after dealing with a bad year like that at UW.
MadCityRich
20 Years and Counting
Kind of sounds current, eh?
sunprairie
Badger Backer
Re: Wisconsin 2020 Off-season thread - Serenity Now!
That's just it. I don't think his UW year was "just a bad year." I think it revealed his shortcomings that had been hidden and protected by playing in a small school in a less-competitive conference. Basically, things came easy to Hayton at St. Lawrence largely due to the competitive environment and a smaller private school that might have been more willing to coddle and put up with his attitude. When he arrived at Wisconsin and the competition was tougher, he folded. And it seems as though he experienced the same thing in the next level up, too.
Kids all have ceilings and I think he reached his when he had to play the B7 competition and above. And, from how quickly it fizzled, I am guessing his "holier than thou" attitude also had a "if it doesn't come easy, I quit" component, too.
It's also, to the comment directly above, why I worry about a guy like Turcotte moving on, and feel even more confident now that Cole will actually be an NHL stud. I understand why Turcotte left, he's been seriously hurt both of the past two seasons, and if that trend would have continued before grabbing a contract, he could find himself never making any pro money of substance. It's hard to turn that money down at 20 years old. But, Cole is the one making the right decision. He seems to have recognized, either through self reflection or good guidance, that even though he is "great," you don't want to move up to the next level until you have conquered the one you're at. He has room to grow, and if we see that growth this year, it might be awesome for UW.
It's a lesson that in hindsight I bet Frederic had seen coming. He left thinking he'd be playing in Boston the next Fall. Now he's spent two years in Providence and Bruins fans don't know if they'll ever see him in Beantown for an extended stay. Another year, or even two, in college would have done him well. And would have selfishly done the Badgers well, too.
That's just it. I don't think his UW year was "just a bad year." I think it revealed his shortcomings that had been hidden and protected by playing in a small school in a less-competitive conference. Basically, things came easy to Hayton at St. Lawrence largely due to the competitive environment and a smaller private school that might have been more willing to coddle and put up with his attitude. When he arrived at Wisconsin and the competition was tougher, he folded. And it seems as though he experienced the same thing in the next level up, too.
Kids all have ceilings and I think he reached his when he had to play the B7 competition and above. And, from how quickly it fizzled, I am guessing his "holier than thou" attitude also had a "if it doesn't come easy, I quit" component, too.
It's also, to the comment directly above, why I worry about a guy like Turcotte moving on, and feel even more confident now that Cole will actually be an NHL stud. I understand why Turcotte left, he's been seriously hurt both of the past two seasons, and if that trend would have continued before grabbing a contract, he could find himself never making any pro money of substance. It's hard to turn that money down at 20 years old. But, Cole is the one making the right decision. He seems to have recognized, either through self reflection or good guidance, that even though he is "great," you don't want to move up to the next level until you have conquered the one you're at. He has room to grow, and if we see that growth this year, it might be awesome for UW.
It's a lesson that in hindsight I bet Frederic had seen coming. He left thinking he'd be playing in Boston the next Fall. Now he's spent two years in Providence and Bruins fans don't know if they'll ever see him in Beantown for an extended stay. Another year, or even two, in college would have done him well. And would have selfishly done the Badgers well, too.
Re: Wisconsin 2020 Off-season thread - Serenity Now!
Cole was likely not offered a contract as the GM of the Canadiens said publicly he thought Cole was best served to stay at Wisconsin another season at this point vs. the NHL or AHL. My point is I'm not sure it was Cole making the correct decision, but it does seem to be the correct decision imo as well.
Cole was likely not offered a contract as the GM of the Canadiens said publicly he thought Cole was best served to stay at Wisconsin another season at this point vs. the NHL or AHL. My point is I'm not sure it was Cole making the correct decision, but it does seem to be the correct decision imo as well.
sunprairie
Badger Backer
Re: Wisconsin 2020 Off-season thread - Serenity Now!
Yeah, that's why I mentioned advisors, which I would include the GM within, because at the age of a Cole or Turcotte, they need someone who has the perspective of time vs. the pot of cash in front of them that each one of us would understandably grab at 19 years old. It's just interesting to have the two of them as parallel, but now diverging case studies. Will be interesting to watch both of their progress.
Yeah, that's why I mentioned advisors, which I would include the GM within, because at the age of a Cole or Turcotte, they need someone who has the perspective of time vs. the pot of cash in front of them that each one of us would understandably grab at 19 years old. It's just interesting to have the two of them as parallel, but now diverging case studies. Will be interesting to watch both of their progress.
solovsfett
Registered User
And that’s what advisors and other schools will use in recruiting.
I have 0 faith in this staff.
Re: Wisconsin 2020 Off-season thread - Serenity Now!
yes and yes. I just don't see how things get better.
yes and yes. I just don't see how things get better.
MadCityRich
20 Years and Counting
Some of your best work, brah.
MadCityRich
20 Years and Counting
One thing I've never asked the parents of NHLers I know; who the hell are family advisors? I have always assumed they are undercover agents who almost 100% of the time push their clients, errrr I mean "advicees" to the money.
Who are they?
Who are they?
sunprairie
Badger Backer
Re: Wisconsin 2020 Off-season thread - Serenity Now!
Even an old broken clock is right twice a day.
Even an old broken clock is right twice a day.
I don't think you can use a draft ranking drop for guys who are not playing at UW against the staff. They had nothing to do with where recruits ended up ranked.
Holloway dropped 2 spots I think and Vorlicky I believe went from unranked to #208 to unranked. Hardly a terrible condemnation.
I know things are bad but not sure this is the smoking gun you'd like it to be.
Timothy A
Let's go RED!
Re: Wisconsin 2020 Off-season thread - Serenity Now!
We don't need another smoking gun, there's plenty of holes in the bow already. It doesn't bother me one bit that Holloway slide slightly, that is a push and you can plainly see that he's a STUD. The fact that UW is recruiting guys who are not improving and in fact are getting over-run by other players across the board is not a positive. Vorlicky going down after getting coached a full year by UW coaches a very troubling. He played a lot of minutes and there is a lot of film on him now playing against older players.
We don't need another smoking gun, there's plenty of holes in the bow already. It doesn't bother me one bit that Holloway slide slightly, that is a push and you can plainly see that he's a STUD. The fact that UW is recruiting guys who are not improving and in fact are getting over-run by other players across the board is not a positive. Vorlicky going down after getting coached a full year by UW coaches a very troubling. He played a lot of minutes and there is a lot of film on him now playing against older players.
You could argue this a lot of ways. Maybe he only got bumped to 208 from unranked because he was going to be playing for Osiecki. If he was never ranked there would be nothing to squawk about. I just think getting wound up about ranking ebbs and flows is reaching. There are clearly issues, I'm not sure this is one of them.
What if he gets drafted despite being unranked? Then is everything better? Draft rankings are fairly meaningless anyway.
Who cares about all this little back and forth chit chat. Granato is in charge of the UW Hockey Program and hes horrible. He shouldn't be allowed to coach high school hockey in the state let alone the UW.
Cant believe the *******s in the UW Administration let this dbag be the coach here.
**** the ****. Nothing will change until the idiot is fired.
Timothy A
Let's go RED!
Re: Wisconsin 2020 Off-season thread - Serenity Now!
Part 1......Well, um, I like to chit chat about UW hockey, it's kinda like why I come on this site.....
Part 2......Tell us how you really feel and I hope you had a hap hap happy Easter LOL.
Part 1......Well, um, I like to chit chat about UW hockey, it's kinda like why I come on this site.....
Part 2......Tell us how you really feel and I hope you had a hap hap happy Easter LOL.