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Will there be hockey in the fall? Will we have to wait until after Jan 1
- Thread starter JerryP66
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Re: Will there be hockey in the fall? Will we have to wait until after Jan 1
Probably better to say "planning for".
I believe there will not be hockey in its usual form starting in the fall. Whether that means games being played in front of empty arenas or no games at all, TBD.
Probably better to say "planning for".
I believe there will not be hockey in its usual form starting in the fall. Whether that means games being played in front of empty arenas or no games at all, TBD.
MTUHuskies
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Re: Will there be hockey in the fall? Will we have to wait until after Jan 1
I am optimistic that we will see hockey before 1 January. From what I've read, the virus has basically a 70-day cycle. If society can work together enough to end this cycle and prevent another one from exploding, we can hopefully get enough testing done that allows a return to the lifestyle we enjoy. If we hastily let our guard down in the quest for the almighty dollar, we will be screwed for a long time. The economy will come back. 41,000+ Americans (and 1500+ Canadians) will not come back.
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I am optimistic that we will see hockey before 1 January. From what I've read, the virus has basically a 70-day cycle. If society can work together enough to end this cycle and prevent another one from exploding, we can hopefully get enough testing done that allows a return to the lifestyle we enjoy. If we hastily let our guard down in the quest for the almighty dollar, we will be screwed for a long time. The economy will come back. 41,000+ Americans (and 1500+ Canadians) will not come back.
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Re: Will there be hockey in the fall? Will we have to wait until after Jan 1
If there is no fall sports there will be no Big Ten hockey next year. BC could be in trouble, any school with a div 1A football team.
If there is no fall sports there will be no Big Ten hockey next year. BC could be in trouble, any school with a div 1A football team.
Re: Will there be hockey in the fall? Will we have to wait until after Jan 1
Michigan, Ohio state, Notre Dame fund there entire athletic budget from football. If there is no football, there is no money. The Millions$ that these schools bring in will make it impossible to fund all of there remaining sports.
Michigan, Ohio state, Notre Dame fund there entire athletic budget from football. If there is no football, there is no money. The Millions$ that these schools bring in will make it impossible to fund all of there remaining sports.
Re: Will there be hockey in the fall? Will we have to wait until after Jan 1
Your missing my point, other schools don't count on football rev to fund there other sports. So if college hockey return on Jan 1, im wondering if the Big Ten schools will be able to fund the sport? if no football
Your missing my point, other schools don't count on football rev to fund there other sports. So if college hockey return on Jan 1, im wondering if the Big Ten schools will be able to fund the sport? if no football
Re: Will there be hockey in the fall? Will we have to wait until after Jan 1
My daughter is a HS senior and has missed so much this year. Certainly, she is not alone, but to follow this senior year up with her fall freshman semester still at home? Gosh, this is brutal on so many fronts. I saw an article today that predicts many college athletic departments cutting non-revenue sports, especially if football goes down.
My daughter is a HS senior and has missed so much this year. Certainly, she is not alone, but to follow this senior year up with her fall freshman semester still at home? Gosh, this is brutal on so many fronts. I saw an article today that predicts many college athletic departments cutting non-revenue sports, especially if football goes down.
Re: Will there be hockey in the fall? Will we have to wait until after Jan 1
Hockey is not on the teat like underwater basket weaving. Football is number one, basketball number two. Hockey or baseball do just fine as stand alone enterprises depending on where you're at.
Hockey is not on the teat like underwater basket weaving. Football is number one, basketball number two. Hockey or baseball do just fine as stand alone enterprises depending on where you're at.
Re: Will there be hockey in the fall? Will we have to wait until after Jan 1
How can they not make money on Basketball and Hockey?
And with all the money they have made over the years on football, how can they be in a situation where they don't have reserve cash? It's not like they have to pay their players.
How can they not make money on Basketball and Hockey?
And with all the money they have made over the years on football, how can they be in a situation where they don't have reserve cash? It's not like they have to pay their players.
buoldtimer
The social ramble ain't restful
Re: Will there be hockey in the fall? Will we have to wait until after Jan 1
Please define "do just fine". How can baseball be a self-sustaining sport? What is the source of the revenue?
Please define "do just fine". How can baseball be a self-sustaining sport? What is the source of the revenue?
Re: Will there be hockey in the fall? Will we have to wait until after Jan 1
I'm talking about baseball at southern schools where it's a huge deal. Hockey at a place like Minnesota.
I'm talking about baseball at southern schools where it's a huge deal. Hockey at a place like Minnesota.
buoldtimer
The social ramble ain't restful
Re: Will there be hockey in the fall? Will we have to wait until after Jan 1
What is your source on the 70 day cycle? Yours is the first reference to it, I've seen. Can you provide more detail, or point me to a source?
What is your source on the 70 day cycle? Yours is the first reference to it, I've seen. Can you provide more detail, or point me to a source?
MTUHuskies
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Re: Will there be hockey in the fall? Will we have to wait until after Jan 1
The article basically said either way the cycle lasts about 70 days. The problem I see is that without the Stay at Home orders, the cases skyrocket during those 70 days.
I'll post a link if I can find it.
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It was an article written by a scientist in Tel Aviv. The premise was that it doesnt matter if you have Stay at Home orders like most US states, or less strict guidelines as in Sweden. I personally think we need the social distancing measures most are taking until testing at a greater rate is available.
The article basically said either way the cycle lasts about 70 days. The problem I see is that without the Stay at Home orders, the cases skyrocket during those 70 days.
I'll post a link if I can find it.
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buoldtimer
The social ramble ain't restful
Re: Will there be hockey in the fall? Will we have to wait until after Jan 1
Thanks. I'll look forward to it.
Can you describe the 70 day cycle, however briefly?
Thanks. I'll look forward to it.
Can you describe the 70 day cycle, however briefly?
MTUHuskies
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Re: Will there be hockey in the fall? Will we have to wait until after Jan 1
https://www.timesofisrael.com/top-i...ts-show-virus-plays-itself-out-after-70-days/
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If I remember correctly, he just stated that it's about a 70 day cycle that peaks at about 40 days. This link is not the original article I saw but you'll get the idea. Like I stated earlier, I don't agree with his assertion that shutting things down doesn't help enough to warrant economic effects. In my opinion, the economy will come back but it's a fact 41,000+ Americans won't come back.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/top-i...ts-show-virus-plays-itself-out-after-70-days/
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buoldtimer
The social ramble ain't restful
Re: Will there be hockey in the fall? Will we have to wait until after Jan 1
Interesting, but haven't we passed the 70 day window already?
Interesting, but haven't we passed the 70 day window already?
MTUHuskies
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Re: Will there be hockey in the fall? Will we have to wait until after Jan 1
Then we have those #Covidiots down in Lansing and other capitols that will probably knock us right back to day 1.
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That's my point. Without strict adherence to CDC guidelines we are having multiple 70-day cycles. I think he was more saying that whether you flatten the curve or not, it's a 70-day curve. That's ok when everyone that will get infected is on the same curve. The problem with his assertion that it will run its course in 70 days is that a lot of people are still contracting the virus well into the cycle and starting it over again.
Then we have those #Covidiots down in Lansing and other capitols that will probably knock us right back to day 1.
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Sean Pickett
2009 NCAA Champions
Re: Will there be hockey in the fall? Will we have to wait until after Jan 1
Sean
I guess in that case the B1G schools will just have to defect spend on athletics like almost every other college athletic department does.
Not really, as most lose money on hockey. Only 4 had earned profits while 25 had earned losses. And while I didn't breakdown baseball for the hockey schools, looking at Texas Tech's 2018 NCAA financial report the school reported losing $2.6 million on baseball, while Arkansas reported losing $621 thousand on baseball on its 2018 financial report.
Athletic departments generally don't make money, but lose it. Ohio State, one of the few that usually does turn a profit (but not last year), some of the profit is returned to the school and some goes into an athletic reserve fund. However, the OSU reserve fund only had $8.9 million in it as of mid-February. With an overall budget of over $210 million that won't go far next year. You can read more about the OSU athletic budget in this USA Today article.
My NCAA Hockey Financials spreadsheet breaks down publicly available information for public (using NCAA financial reports) and private (using EADA reports) schools that have DI hockey programs. I breakout all the information for both the hockey programs and the overall athletic departments. If you look at the Yearly Overall tab you can see how much each school's athletic department reported in revenue and expenses and their overall and earned profit and losses. I have compiled the numbers for 2010 through 2018 and I'm just starting to work on the 2019 numbers (I don't have the latest OSU report from which numbers are reported in the above mentioned USA Today article). In general college athletics are large money drains.
Sean