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Will the DII's ever get out of Limbo?

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NUProf said:
Just to put it in perspective...Given a choice between Anselm's and Norwich, would Norwich's history of DIII success outweigh St. Anselm's status as a DII program?

Then look at a choice between St. Anselm's and Framingham State under the same circumstances. What would Framingham State be able to offer a recruit to outweigh St. Anselm's DII status?
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Exactly, IMO, Norwich outweighs St. Anselm's regardless of whether St. Anselm has a theoretical chance at participation in a DIII Championship or not.

Academics aside, Framingham State, they have a better chance pulling in a recruit against St. Anselm than they do Norwich in either scenario, while St. Anselm will continue to have a recruiting edge over Framingham State in either scenario.

While I respect and agree with the argument that the DII schools have stronger administrative support (or are currently stuck in DII - ala St Michael's), I do not see the serious student athlete being overtaken by the lure of a DII athletic department over the lure of a strong, successful DIII hockey program.
 
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altazo said:
Just what I was thinking. I see the point about DII school's athletic departments being generally more likely to fund and support it's teams with facilities, etc. However, at this time I just don't see a kid who is a fringe level DI player choosing to attend St. Anselm or St. Mikes over say, Norwich, SNC, Plattsburgh, etc. etc. just to be able to tell his buddies from midget and junior hockey that he's playing at a DII school...
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I agree, and better yet, its actually: ... just to be able to tell his buddies from midget and junior hockey that he's playing at a DII school that agreed to be bound by DIII polices and plays a DIII schedule.
 
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joecct said:
Guys

Aren't there disparities among the current D-III schools??? The ECAC-E & NE were created to separate the schools based on the resources devoted to the hockey programs. That's still the case right now.

There are D-III schools out there that treat there hockey programs with lots of resources (Middlebury, Norwich, CSS, SNC for example) with traveling radio, TV, first rate facilities, an engaged and active SID department. At the other end are schools where you may or may not have the SID engaged, no radio or TV, and the facilities are mediocre at best. That's just within D-III.

So what big advantage will the NE10 have over the ECAC-E, SUNYAC, NCHA, NESCAC or ECAC-W??
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I agree fully here too, and don't think the championship lacking status CURRENTLY significantly swayed a student athlete away from an NE10 to a DIII school with a "mediocre program". What it HAS done, is deny the DII student athletes from a complete collegiate playing experience - i.e. never having even a chance at championship. IMO, while there are certainly exceptions, most non-DI players choose the school that best fits their academic goals within their financial and other personal needs (such as being reasonably close to family, etc) first, and then the school with the strongest program and not the school with the higher athletic department resources.
 
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It looks to me that most of these posts are separating the Student from the Athlete, with the emphasis on the Athlete. In recruiting for a hockey player, these may be valid points, however, most students, (in my opinion), when opting for a school, will choice the school that best fits his/her academic desires/future. The vast majority of student athletes, even at the DI level, have very few expectations of participation beyond college.
 
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The Real Georgia Peach said:
It looks to me that most of these posts are separating the Student from the Athlete, with the emphasis on the Athlete. In recruiting for a hockey player, these may be valid points, however, most students, (in my opinion), when opting for a school, will choice the school that best fits his/her academic desires/future. The vast majority of student athletes, even at the DI level, have very few expectations of participation beyond college.
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The discussion was about what are the advantages that a DII school has in recruiting - but I agree with you 100% on that point.
 
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The Real Georgia Peach said:
It looks to me that most of these posts are separating the Student from the Athlete, with the emphasis on the Athlete. In recruiting for a hockey player, these may be valid points, however, most students, (in my opinion), when opting for a school, will choice the school that best fits his/her academic desires/future. The vast majority of student athletes, even at the DI level, have very few expectations of participation beyond college.
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While I agree 100%, I think that, when it comes to recruiting, the Student-Athlete himself is often the most guilty of "separating the Student from the Athlete" - more frequently "with emphasis on the Athlete". So, when discussing how one school gets a recruiting advantage over another, one must look at the situation from that viewpoint, which is shared by the majority of potential Student-Athletes.

Although it would be great if everybody realized the concept of "student before athlete", it unfortunately does not happen most of the time - even in DIII. :(
 
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Does anyone have any idea on how many DI schools are non-scholarship?
I am sure about Union, RIT,Army and air force, but the rest of the Atlantic League any other others are confusing me
 
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I thought that the Ivy League schools did not offer any scholarships and just met full financial need once you were admitted?
 
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hawkhockey said:
Does anyone have any idea on how many DI schools are non-scholarship?
I am sure about Union, RIT,Army and air force, but the rest of the Atlantic League any other others are confusing me
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I don't think you can consider Army and Air Force "non-scholarship" schools.
 
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I agree. IIRC, everyone at those two institutions is on a full-ride.
 
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Ref; Army and Air Force Academies; although they do provide a "full ride", it is not a one way trip. Each student has to contract for 4-6 years employment upon graduation, hardly a "free" education in this day and age.:)
 
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The Real Georgia Peach said:
Ref; Army and Air Force Academies; although they do provide a "full ride", it is not a one way trip. Each student has to contract for 4-6 years employment upon graduation, hardly a "free" education in this day and age.:)
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Absolutely, that beats the heck out of a free ride, "in this day and age" graduates are lucky if they can find employment within 4-6 years of graduation. :eek:
 
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Birdwatcher said:
They graduate as commissioned officers. Very few see the front lines of war. Most end up on domestic or ally bases, far from "harms way"
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Tell that to the Hines family.

You're not putting the guys and gals from the academies in the support troops. They're supposed to be the leaders, therefore they lead from the front - where the bad guys are.
 
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joecct said:
Tell that to the Hines family.

You're not putting the guys and gals from the academies in the support troops. They're supposed to be the leaders, therefore they lead from the front - where the bad guys are.
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Could not have said it better myself, joecct.
 
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Birdwatcher said:
They graduate as commissioned officers. Very few see the front lines of war. Most end up on domestic or ally bases, far from "harms way"
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Second lieutenants are not even close to a protected class. Somebody has to lead the troops in Afghanistan.
 
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The Real Georgia Peach said:
I guess you missed the part of them putting on the uniform and going into harms way for our freedoms.:(
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Alas, it is an unfortunate reality that for some, their chosen occupation, like those of certain military MOS's, law enforcement, fire fighting and even search and rescue among others includes the risk of an assignment in dangerous, life threatening arenas. However, that said, every single job in America contributes to protecting our freedoms, certainly the military is quite apparent, but without the production of the workforce not to mention the taxes and other contributions, the military and our freedoms as we know them would not exist. Unlike many workers, those members of our armed forces fortunate enough to attend college and get to chose and follow their dream, deserve respect – as much, but IMO no more than, any other college graduate who tries their best and achieves their goals, and less than many others – particularly those too illiterate enough to understand the risks and those to unfortunate enough due to conditions beyond their means to have safer alternatives.
 
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