Will the DII's ever get out of Limbo?

[cooperalls]

Re: Will the DII's ever get out of Limbo?

The only thing I had heard was supposed to be discussed this month was whether or not DII's would be eligible for National Championship and D3 Conference play. I heard the West schools were all against it because it would because it would screw up the ratio and favor the East. Good to know that Coaches want to help grow the sport and get make it more competitive when all they care about is themselves and not the game itself since the pool of college teams seem to be shrinking from year to year.

Would the Saints want to be a little fish in the Norwich pond or a big fish in their own pond????

Does anyone out there know if an NCC for D-II/III is being discussed?????

 

[cooperalls]

Re: Will the DII's ever get out of Limbo?

They say it is money but they will come up with it somehow you know and it I know it. Foundations and Development Offices, alumni, and parents will come to the rescue when it comes to playing in the National Championship Tournament so the excuse of money does not apply because this is hockey and we have all paid a lot of money to play as kids all the way through highschool, Juniors, and college a few more bucks isn't going to matter now that they are in college.

Not really necessary, I don't think. The takeaway is the "access ratio" would be 66 teams securing 8 AQs, or 8.25. So for every 8.25 teams, there would be one Pool B bid. Whether or not the NCAA is willing to give the 0.25 as a friendly rounding would determine if it would take 3 or 4 DII teams + the ECAC-West to secure a Pool B bid.



No. Because until Adrian came along, that "great record" part wasn't a part of the MCHA discussion. It's a fairly recent development that the MCHA has even been in the discussion at all. Because the NE10 would be a smaller conference, one of two things would happen making that unlikely. Either they would play a highly insular schedule (think 4 games each against 5 other teams) or would play against the stiff competition. Maybe if they could get most NC games against NE schools or MASCAC schools, there would be a chance, but frankly, you might see the same lack of desire to schedule them in NC games as the MCHA experiences out west.



Money.



Money. Wisconsin and Boston College have slightly larger athletic department revenues than SUNY Morrisville an UW Eau Claire.

Honestly, the quadratic equation is much more straightforward than the D3 selection process. Nobody outside of the NCAA is opposed to changing the rules of the tournament bracket. So either schools need to start lobbying the NCAA or leave if they want it changed.



It's June. Not exactly a lot of hockey going on. Have to pass the time somehow.

 

[Josh Carey]

Re: Will the DII's ever get out of Limbo?

The only thing I had heard was supposed to be discussed this month was whether or not DII's would be eligible for National Championship and D3 Conference play. I heard the West schools were all against it because it would because it would screw up the ratio and favor the East. Good to know that Coaches want to help grow the sport and get make it more competitive when all they care about is themselves and not the game itself since the pool of college teams seem to be shrinking from year to year.

We're really going to crucify coaches for looking out for their own programs? Seems like that's their job. In fact, in 2009, Plattsburgh should have voluntarily lost the SUNYAC Finals to Oswego, allowing both teams to make the NCAA Tournament. Good to know Bob Emery wants to help grow the SUNYAC and get it more competitive when all he cares about is himself and not the conference itself since the pool of competitive SUNYAC teams seem to be shrinking from year to year.

They say it is money but they will come up with it somehow you know and it I know it. Foundations and Development Offices, alumni, and parents will come to the rescue when it comes to playing in the National Championship Tournament so the excuse of money does not apply because this is hockey and we have all paid a lot of money to play as kids all the way through highschool, Juniors, and college a few more bucks isn't going to matter now that they are in college.

It's the NCAA with the money issues. They're the ones who put on the championships.

 

[hawkhockey]

Re: Will the DII's ever get out of Limbo?

Would the Saints want to be a little fish in the Norwich pond or a big fish in their own pond????

Does anyone out there know if an NCC for D-II/III is being discussed?????

my sense is that thet would want to be in a league where there is the best competition.Norwich pond=ECACE?

 

[LtPowers]

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My concern is how the NCAA can legislate that 14 D-II schools play in the D-I championship and 6 D-II schools play in the D2/3 championship. I've never seen a division split before, but I guess there is a first time.

It's not a division split because the D-II schools competing for the D-I championship are playing D-I hockey. They're playups, not D-II programs playing D-I schedules.


Powers &8^]

 

[NUProf]

Re: Will the DII's ever get out of Limbo?

It's not a division split because the D-II schools competing for the D-I championship are playing D-I hockey. They're playups, not D-II programs playing D-I schedules.


Powers &8^]

Just like the DIII schools that are playing DI are doing. If DII is "split", so is DIII

 

[joecct]

Re: Will the DII's ever get out of Limbo?

Just like the DIII schools that are playing DI are doing. If DII is "split", so is DIII

I think we've put this one to bed, but D-III's can't play down. 6 D-II's are, while 14 or so are playing up.

The solution seems to be a National Collegiate Championship for D-II/III schools. Anyone know if there is legislation in the works?????

 

[hawkhockey]

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According t a ECACE head coach,he received official notification that the 2010-2011 season is the last year of the Interlock with the NESCAC.The ECAC is scheduling a meeting for all ECAC coaches AND Athletic Directors for thr second or third week in July to discuss the future in the ECACE

 

[CARDS_rule_the_Burgh]

Re: Will the DII's ever get out of Limbo?

According t a ECACE head coach,he received official notification that the 2010-2011 season is the last year of the Interlock with the NESCAC.The ECAC is scheduling a meeting for all ECAC coaches AND Athletic Directors for thr second or third week in July to discuss the future in the ECACE

All the ECAC coaches and ADs? Meaning East, West, and Northeast? Although there's no guarantee that anything will happen, such a meeting at least opens up the possibility of addressing the issues in both the east and west conferences. Are they actually thinking logically here?

 

[joecct]

Re: Will the DII's ever get out of Limbo?

From tiny acorns giant oaks grow...

From today's NCAA nooz

In men’s ice hockey, the proposed legislation would amend Bylaw 14.2.4.2 to specify that for a maximum of one year, participation in organized ice hockey competition will be excepted, provided the competition is sanctioned by United States Ice Hockey or its international counterparts. The extra year, which would be in addition to the grace year already provided by the new organized-competition legislation, would affect only six Division II institutions that do not take part in championship competition. It was brought about by the approval of Proposal No. 2010-11 at the 2010 Convention, which eliminated the fee exception for participation in organized competition prior to initial-collegiate enrollment. The Division II programs that sponsor hockey compete primarily against Division III programs and do not offer athletically related financial aid.

 

[hawkhockey]

Re: Will the DII's ever get out of Limbo?

Does this mean that the recently passed NCAA legislation requiring a player to sit out one year if they have played two rears of juniors,one prep and one junior etc. m,ay be ammended to permit the players to play by the same rules as DIII?

 

[CARDS_rule_the_Burgh]

Re: Will the DII's ever get out of Limbo?

From tiny acorns giant oaks grow...

From today's NCAA nooz

So, is this basically saying that the DII rules that got St. Mike's hosed 2 years ago no longer apply to DII hockey teams, thus more accurately reflecting the DIII-esque nature of their competition?

Or is this a completely different issue? I don't entirely remember the St. Mike's situation, but for some reason this rings a bell in that regard...

 

[joecct]

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And now we have this from the NCAA nooz of the day...

Cabinet members voted to sponsor legislation to change bylaw 20.8.1 by saying that institutions competing in National Collegiate championships meet their own institutional and divisional eligibility requirements. Currently, if two-thirds or more of the teams competing in a National Collegiate sport are from the same division, teams from other divisions are required to meet the majority division’s eligibility requirements.

Thus, if there is ever a DI-II/III NCC for men's ice hockey, then the D-II schools would follow the D-II rules for eligibility, while the D-III schools would follow the D-III rules.

 

[hawkhockey]

Re: Will the DII's ever get out of Limbo?

And now we have this from the NCAA nooz of the day...



Thus, if there is ever a DI-II/III NCC for men's ice hockey, then the D-II schools would follow the D-II rules for eligibility, while the D-III schools would follow the D-III rules.

Any idea what the differences are in eligibility between II and III?

 

[norm1909]

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Any idea what the differences are in eligibility between II and III?

A good info source is here.

At a minimum, DIII players need this: DIII - Student-Athlete Statement

See all 2009-10 Division III Compliance Forms Here.

DII players need clear the NCAA Division II Initial Eligibility
Then they get to complete the DII - Student-Athlete Statement

See all 2009-10 Division II Compliance Forms Here

 

[cooperalls]

Re: Will the DII's ever get out of Limbo?

Can anybody give a clear answer on this it appears that the DII's in hockey do not have to worry about the 1 year out of high school thing anymore so a kid could compete and use up his eligibility and play at a DII school.

Yet there is no word on whether or not the DII teams will be allowed to compete for a DIII National Championship??? Sombebody please explain!!!

From tiny acorns giant oaks grow...

From today's NCAA nooz

 

[joecct]

Re: Will the DII's ever get out of Limbo?

So, is this basically saying that the DII rules that got St. Mike's hosed 2 years ago no longer apply to DII hockey teams, thus more accurately reflecting the DIII-esque nature of their competition?

Or is this a completely different issue? I don't entirely remember the St. Mike's situation, but for some reason this rings a bell in that regard...

Actually there is no change, I think in the status quo. The NE10 student-athletes have to pass clearinghouse and comply with the D-II rules that norm put up (THANKS, Norm! - rep coming). However, because they play in a D-III league they can't offer athletic scholarships.

If there was an NCC for D-II/III right now, the NE10 schools would have to follow the D-III rules for eligibility as more than 3/4 of the pool is D-III. This rectifies the potential problem.

Note: if passed, this WILL apply to the St. M and St. A women's team as they compete in the D-I/II NCC for women's ice hockey.

 

[NUProf]

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Note: if passed, this WILL apply to the St. M and St. A women's team as they compete in the D-I/II NCC for women's ice hockey.

...and have about as much chance of making the NCC in women's ice hockey as I have of running a sub 3:00 marathon...

 

[joecct]

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...and have about as much chance of making the NCC in women's ice hockey as I have of running a sub 3:00 marathon...

They need the rest of the NE10 to sponsor ice hockey then they get an AQ. C'mon Prof, think outside of the box!! If they can stick a motor inside a Tour de France bike, you can run a sub 3 marathon.

 

[hawkhockey]

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Need some help with this.At the recent NCAA hockey meeting ,one of the major/significanr objections to allowing DII games to count was that there is "unbalanced funding in DII","DII programs fund their programs differently thab DIII schools which give them a competetive advantage over DIII." these were direct quotes of Ad's and coaches.
most of the DII schools in question, provide "need based" aid,usually not at 100%, to students, students playing hockey included.The tuition room and board etc.is >$40,000.how is this a funding advantage over a DIII private school or a DIII public?
Thanks