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who to root for?

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Osorojo said:
OK. You caught me. The actions I suggest aren't exactly serious. However, the problems I described are real and serious enough that prominent DI coaches are reportedly meeting this weekend to seek solutions.
As flawed as my tongue-in-cheek suggestion is, nobody else on this site has proposed a better way to deal with NHL "raids" on DI rosters.
Of course, we can all pretend that one-year dropouts, one year scholarships, and rapid roster turnover/rebuilding are not actually problems and wait for them to go away. Bon chance.
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"It is better to keep your mouth closed and let people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt." -- Samuel Langhorn Clemens

You didn't ask for suggestions, instead you simply made (a not so serious) one. Do you expect anyone to take these not so serious topics seriously?

As to your point, people quit college early even if they aren't student athletes. Perhaps we should rename college as "jail" and force everyone to stay 4 years. Let's then watch all the good players go to Major Juniors.

The only halfway decent suggestion I have heard is to have a cut-off date for when players may be taken from colleges. Of course, this won't stop what Major Junior does, as players may freely move there as well. Basically, the NCAA is trying to play poker hands with Jack high. The only possible way to get any sort of advantage is to have a two-way street with major junior where players may go back and forth, and then you have some bargaining chips.
 
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The players will be leaving in 4 years anyways, so if your loyalty to the team is dependent on one player (or group of players) you were probably never really a fan of the team to begin with. As for the downside of having a highly touted recruit, that is, them leaving before 4 years, well that's just one of the many trade-offs in life. If you don't want the superstar that might be gone soon, don't recruit and accept him, but if you do be prepared for them leaving. I'm sure teams that have won NCs due to players on their team that leave before graduation are really complaining about them not staying the full 4.
 
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When Happy starts mocking your ideas, it's time to rethink them.
 
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According to a USCHO Staff report on November 9th Don Lucia, Jack Parker, Mike Eaves and Ted Donato are meeting with Gary Bettman and other NHL officials to discuss the same problems I mentioned in my post. Perhaps you hockey gurus should get in touch with these guys and explain that there are no such problems and their meeting is a waste of time. And don't forget to tell them they are as stupid as Osorojo, and they should act more like hockey know-it-alls such as yourselves.
 
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Osorojo said:
According to a USCHO Staff report on November 9th Don Lucia, Jack Parker, Mike Eaves and Ted Donato are meeting with Gary Bettman and other NHL officials to discuss the same problems I mentioned in my post. Perhaps you hockey gurus should get in touch with these guys and explain that there are no such problems and their meeting is a waste of time. And don't forget to tell them they are as stupid as Osorojo, and they should act more like hockey know-it-alls such as yourselves.
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I find it hard to believe that you edited your post for "clarity" because I still have no idea what the hell you are talking about. I can only imagine what the previous post looked like.
 
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Osorojo said:
According to a USCHO Staff report on November 9th Don Lucia, Jack Parker, Mike Eaves and Ted Donato are meeting with Gary Bettman and other NHL officials to discuss the same problems I mentioned in my post. Perhaps you hockey gurus should get in touch with these guys and explain that there are no such problems and their meeting is a waste of time. And don't forget to tell them they are as stupid as Osorojo, and they should act more like hockey know-it-alls such as yourselves.
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That's nice. Exactly what trump cards do the coaches hold that can force the NHL to do squat?
 
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French Rage said:
That's nice. Exactly what trump cards do the coaches hold that can force the NHL to do squat?
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Danged If I know, but I like to think these DI coaches are sophisticated enough that they aren't wasting their time on a fool's errand.
 
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Osorojo said:
OK. You caught me. The actions I suggest aren't exactly serious. However, the problems I described are real and serious enough that prominent DI coaches are reportedly meeting this weekend to seek solutions.
As flawed as my tongue-in-cheek suggestion is, nobody else on this site has proposed a better way to deal with NHL "raids" on DI rosters.
Of course, we can all pretend that one-year dropouts, one year scholarships, and rapid roster turnover/rebuilding are not actually problems and wait for them to go away. Bon chance.
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Why are they problems?

Its great you're seeking the cure for the common candy bar.

Some day when we don't want candy bars and we can't avoid them we'll have you to thank.
 
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French Rage said:
The players will be leaving in 4 years anyways, so if your loyalty to the team is dependent on one player (or group of players) you were probably never really a fan of the team to begin with. As for the downside of having a highly touted recruit, that is, them leaving before 4 years, well that's just one of the many trade-offs in life. If you don't want the superstar that might be gone soon, don't recruit and accept him, but if you do be prepared for them leaving. I'm sure teams that have won NCs due to players on their team that leave before graduation are really complaining about them not staying the full 4.
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Hell, on average, how many guys are in the NHL for more than 4 years?? You do always hear about the stars that last 10+ years, but not a whole lot about those guys that maybe get a season or two in.
 
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Patman said:
Why are they problems?

Its great you're seeking the cure for the common candy bar.

Some day when we don't want candy bars and we can't avoid them we'll have you to thank.
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P.M. : Thanks for clearing that up. There is no problem with "raids." I'm relieved to learn it's a situation somehow like candy bars, and I'm sure the leaders of DI college hockey and the NHL will be equally relieved and grateful for this information. Your explanation should cause them to cancel their meeting and free up some spare time because of it. I trust you have informed the DI coaches and the NHL commissioner that "NHL player raids" are purely imaginary problems?
 
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Osorojo said:
P.M. : Thanks for clearing that up. There is no problem with "raids." I'm relieved to learn it's a situation somehow like candy bars, and I'm sure the leaders of DI college hockey and the NHL will be equally relieved and grateful for this information. Your explanation should cause them to cancel their meeting and free up some spare time because of it. I trust you have informed the DI coaches and the NHL commissioner that "NHL player raids" are purely imaginary problems?
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You're saying there's a problem. I don't think people are doubting you there. Where we are doubting you is your naive suggestions for solution. The NCAA doesn't have a single bargaining chip AT ALL when it comes to what either the NHL or Major Junior wants to do. They're basically begging at this point, and the professional ranks have absolutely no advantage whatsoever to give into their requests.
 
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FD: A significant number of NHL prospects are currently playing DI hockey, and colleges are paying for tuition, books, supplies, and room and board for most of these guys at considerable expense - over $50K. per player per year. Colleges are paying for the equipment, uniforms, coaching, facilities, ice time, training, medical care, insurance and even education necessary to develop each of these NHL prospects.
We are talking about a considerable expenditure in time and money for each of these prospects, an expenditure which the NHL does not have to make and an expenditure whose benefits are minimized for colleges hosting one-and-done players. All these expenses and benefits are in play, if the colleges want to put them there. I see an opportunity for negotiation here.
 
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The amount of money suggested by Osorojo is close to what a player would make playing minor league hockey. The actual players don't physically see any money until they are playing pro. They get everything paid for them - that is a considerable differance if you ask me from a player perspective.

Player raids hurt the NCAA - but they have little power to stop them without cooperation from the NHL. Any rules put in place otherwise can and will be used against them by Major Juniors to lure the top prospects there. And while some of us complain, based on the USCHO poll, a plurality of voters think the players should be able to do what they want regarding turning pro with no compensation for the schools of they leave.

I don't have high hopes for this meeting between the NCAA and NHL. The coaches are there to help themselves as much as the players, because if you can keep top talent for longer, you have a greater chance of winning.
 
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College hockey programs are understandably reluctant to publicize the deficits which their hockey programs produce, but it's likely that most, if not all programs operate at a deficit. For example, the Denver Post revealed that DU's hockey program operated at a $1,873,745 deficit for one year. Many fans are perfectly happy as long as colleges can acquire public funds to cover the deficits run up by their hockey programs or colleges can increase tuition to fund these losses. Yeah, other college programs operate at a loss, but two wrongs don't make a right unless you're a politician justifying your miserable policies.

There is absolutely no doubt that the NHL derives substantial and cost free benefits from the player development provided by DI college hockey programs. There is no reason taxpayers and those who pay college tuition should be obliged to subsidize the development of NHL players.
 
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Osorojo said:
but it's likely that most, if not all programs operate at a deficit.
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Need more than one year at one school to make this claim. My understanding was that most D-I hockey programs are profitable.


Powers &8^]
 
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It's also harder to make statements regarding all teams, especially a team as relatively isolated as Denver. Only 3 teams in their area (counting them).
 
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