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What The Fark 5: I Can't Believe This Happened!

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Jesus. Are you a men’s rights activist too?

Honestly, what's wrong with it? I get the other angle, and I disagree with it, the whole "every day is straight day." To me being LGBT is no big deal. Love who you want, be who you want, no matter to me. As long as you're not an a-hole, fine by me. Be happy. That was the message they were sending. Celebrate everyone, not just certain people. :)
 
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Honestly, what's wrong with it? I get the other angle, and I disagree with it, the whole "every day is straight day." To me being LGBT is no big deal. Love who you want, be who you want, no matter to me. As long as you're not an a-hole, fine by me. Be happy. That was the message they were sending. Celebrate everyone, not just certain people. :)

***Spoiler alert***





If you need to celebrate being straight....you're an a-hole.
 
In farking rainbow and unicorn land, sure. But here in the good ol' U S of A, not so much skippy.

I will say, 100% of the time someone pulls out this ridiculous argument, it’s a straight white dude.
 
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Wrong. You are missing the point. We are ALL equal. Some are not more equal than others.

you're completely missing the point. Gay pride day came about when a group of marginalized people came together and basically said "we're not going to be ashamed of who we are, we're not going to hide". Pride day started in 1970 in response to the Stonewall riots after police raided the Stonewall Inn in '69.

No one has ever lost a job for being straight. Or white. The main motivation is political, and there is more progress to be made. They only recently won the right for marriage equality. In many states it's perfectly legal to fire someone just for being gay. The Trumpturds are trying to make it easier to discriminate against LGBTQ people through "religious freedom" laws.
 
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Wrong. You are missing the point. We are ALL equal. Some are not more equal than others.

You really don't see the difference between a black pride march and a white pride march?

A history of suffering -- REAL suffering, which continues in our present world -- is the context that changes the meaning of these two events. They are not fungible.

The law, in its majestic equality, forbids the rich as well as the poor to sleep under bridges, to beg in the streets, and to steal bread.
 
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you're completely missing the point. Gay pride day came about when a group of marginalized people came together and basically said "we're not going to be ashamed of who we are, we're not going to hide". Pride day started in 1970 in response to the Stonewall riots after police raided the Stonewall Inn in '69.

No one has ever lost a job for being straight. Or white. The main motivation is political, and there is more progress to be made. They only recently won the right for marriage equality. In many states it's perfectly legal to fire someone just for being gay. The Trumpturds are trying to make it easier to discriminate against LGBTQ people through "religious freedom" laws.

And the Stonewall riots started because of Marsha P. Johnson and Sylvia Rivera, two trans women of color.

Being trans, I've had enough of this ****. For what I can control, I will raise my glass. But the actions of this administration have me terrified inside. A bunch of my trans friends and I are terrified and we're downright p-ssed off. Feeling powerless will do that to you.

Right now for LGBT... we can get married over the weekend, then lose our jobs on Monday and then our homes on Tuesday.
 
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And the Stonewall riots started because of Marsha P. Johnson and Sylvia Rivera, two trans women of color.

Being trans, I've had enough of this ****. For what I can control, I will raise my glass. But the actions of this administration have me terrified inside. A bunch of my trans friends and I are terrified and we're downright p-ssed off. Feeling powerless will do that to you.

Right now for LGBT... we can get married over the weekend, then lose our jobs on Monday and then our homes on Tuesday.

Given the state of this nation, I'm surprised trans people near the border don't move to Canada, where sanity rules in regards to human rights. It's one thing when political opposition people threaten it during lead-up to an election, like the Alec Baldwins of the world, but they've really nothing extraordinary on the line like their personal health and dignity the way trans people do. I wouldn't even call it a surrender so much as depriving the US of the talent we here would lose by people attaining higher levels of education such as yourself.
 
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You really don't see the difference between a black pride march and a white pride march?.

I see the difference, and know that many are trying to change it. As I said, celebrate ALL as equal. I'm proud of who I am (who HAPPENS to be a straight white male). Do I hate others that don't conform? Hell no. Every time someone that is "different" (I stress the quotes) has a day, or parade, or whatever, it's pointing out they are different. To normalize something, stop pointing out differences. Embrace similarities.

Sure, that might be a pipe dream, but gotta start somewhere.
 
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Not sure which thread is appropriate, but this one seemed the best for this:

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Also, obligatory Archer reference...
 
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Tucker has perfected Resting Bewildered Face.
 
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I see the difference, and know that many are trying to change it. As I said, celebrate ALL as equal. I'm proud of who I am (who HAPPENS to be a straight white male). Do I hate others that don't conform? Hell no. Every time someone that is "different" (I stress the quotes) has a day, or parade, or whatever, it's pointing out they are different. To normalize something, stop pointing out differences. Embrace similarities.

Sure, that might be a pipe dream, but gotta start somewhere.

I know exactly how you feel because this is how I felt in my 20s. Since then I have changed my mind. I'm going to go through my thought process and maybe some of it will make sense to you. I'm not attacking you and I'm certainly not calling you a bigot because, like I said, I've been there too.

1. Difference isn't the problem -- hierarchies are the problem. Variety is the spice of life. An America bursting with all races, religions, ethnicities, and sexualities is a better place than a monochrome 1950s America where such differences were driven into ghettos. Let your freak flag fly, everyone. The snake in the garden has never been heterogeneity, but rank ordering people.

2. But there is an exception: historically privileged groups have to sit it out, at least for while. You want to know when the White March, the Male March, and the Straight March are? EVERY DAY!!! We run the world and we run America. We don't get to fist bump our identity because our identity has consisted for most of this nation's history with us giving anyone not like us the pointy end of the bayonet.

3. The dominance still exists. With gays it's even written into the law. With non-whites and women it's in the persistence of racism and sexism that pollutes all of us, even the best of us. And these things have lethal consequences, they aren't just hurt feelings. The next time you feel annoyed you can't celebrate your whiteness have a run in with the police and celebrate your whiteness by not being murdered.

4. It is very uncomfortable to be reminded that people like us put people not like us through hell. There is guilt there even though we personally didn't do it. That provokes resentment because we are doing our best. Take the sense of unfairness you are experiencing and now magnify it by a billion and attach real life consequences to it. And look around and see the people who stoke that resentment in whites. Do you really want to make common cause with them? See how easily a carefully calibrated exercise in grammatical logic hurtles downhill and becomes Us vs Them. That's where bigotry begins. Thar be dragons.

That's the best I can do. It wasn't an overnight transformation for me. My other advice is talk to lots and lots of people and think about what you can honestly tell them. Do you really want to tell black people and gay people and women to their face that you think their pride celebrations are tarnished because you can't have one of your own? If you feel your cheeks pink with embarrassment at the thought of doing that then follow your instincts. There is information that your analysis is neglecting. The meaning of our actions is colored by context and history. It's not just variables where you can plug in x and y and play goose/gander. There are also conditions on those terms: history and also present prejudice that harmed and harms innocent people.

We were born with a really nice view of Life's Rich Pageant, which most others will never have. That is because we stand on the bodies of thousands of years of bigotry. We have directly benefited from that even though we didn't participate in it. Appreciate what you never earned. Give those who have been screwed a break. If they're p-ssed at you, understand. You don't have to let them take a swing at you. Just don't be a dick about it if they're grumpy.

They should be.
 
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Whatever it is it's really punchable.

To be fair, some of us are simply cursed with it - you know you're at least part Polish when your neutral face is a frown. Others, like The Tuckster, have developed their independently of genetics and wear it deliberately.
 
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