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What the Fark 3: The Strange and Unusual

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Or maths. Colour me bloody nonplussed.

I don't care about the Brits using those terms. But if an American does who might have taken a vacation in London once says it, I just cringe. Especially if they use it to try and sound smart.
 
I don't care about the Brits using those terms. But if an American does who might have taken a vacation in London once says it, I just cringe. Especially if they use it to try and sound smart.

Now the Australians have really clobbered (cobbered?) the Mother Tongue.
 
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In such a wide world, anything is possible.

But I'm pretty sure you understand that among high school kids, smart and popular are disjoint sets*. That's not exactly a new observation.

* Except of course your kids. Your kids are wonderful, smart, popular, funny, talented, and gorgeous.
Perhaps my high school was different. I know one of those popular girls is now a heart surgeon, one of the popular guys attended the Air Force Academy, and a number of others received some serious academic scholarships. Of course we had the blockheads, which made up the majority of the "in crowd," but we certainly had some overlapping circles in a Venn diagram.
 
Perhaps my high school was different. I know one of those popular girls is now a heart surgeon, one of the popular guys attended the Air Force Academy, and a number of others received some serious academic scholarships. Of course we had the blockheads, which made up the majority of the "in crowd," but we certainly had some overlapping circles in a Venn diagram.

My class had two Valedictorians. One boy was the prototypical nerd. The girl was a very cute, popular girl who was captain of the dance line. My son's school had 14 of them and many were quite popular.
 
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Perhaps my high school was different. I know one of those popular girls is now a heart surgeon, one of the popular guys attended the Air Force Academy, and a number of others received some serious academic scholarships. Of course we had the blockheads, which made up the majority of the "in crowd," but we certainly had some overlapping circles in a Venn diagram.

I went to a large high school (grad class around 800), so there tended to be no overlap. The groups were, roughly, the rich kids, the popular kids, the jocks, the proto-goths, the music kids, the Crazy Christians, the theater kids, and the white kids who took shop and would be in jail in ten years. There was no group of smart kids -- they (OK, we) were atomized.

On top of that we had a division into even thirds of white, black and brown kids, where the working class white kids would get beat up by the black kids and everybody was terrified of the brown kids because they had weapons. Everybody was racist as hell with every race hating every other race to the point that you would never go behind the school with a group of less than 6.

The smart kids all blew town and went to the Ivies, the rich kids went to Bucknell or Colgate (a couple with the grades went to Dartmouth), the black kids all joined the army and everybody was too scared of the brown kids to keep up with them. The popular kids went to state u and then came home to run dad's finance / law / realty / boat building firm, intermarried and produced the next generation of popular kids.

The big difference with John Hughes High was the groups didn't dislike each other, they simply didn't interact. There was no concept of the school as a unity. Even the kids who ran say yearbook were just the popular kids who presumed to speak for everybody but nobody disliked them, they just were ignored. I ran our school paper as a way to have access to a locked office which is extremely useful to a high school senior. If kids intergroup dated nobody cared, and the only kids with serious relationships were the poor kids who got pregnant and dropped out anyway. "Popularity" wasn't about numbers -- there were no "popular" kids in the sense that they had more friends. Their mutual popularity was just the thing they had in common -- but to the rest of the school they were invisible.

I think this happens in a big school, while in small schools kids double up on cliques and niches. Dr. Mrs.' school sounds like it was very different, and her grad class was about 200. There they actually had groups with animosity like in Breakfast Club. But in our school -- well, after 3 years together I probably had never met 500 of my classmates on graduation day.
 
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I went to a large high school (grad class around 800), so there tended to be no overlap. The groups were, roughly, the rich kids, the popular kids, the jocks, the proto-goths, the music kids, the Crazy Christians, the theater kids, and the white kids who took shop and would be in jail in ten years. There was no group of smart kids -- they (OK, we) were atomized.
I had a senior class of 525, of which 425 graduated. Maybe 20-30 of the students were minorities, and they all mixed in with the white kids without issue - I think. We had cliques up the wazoo - cliques within cliques, but the "in crowd" was maybe 100 students of the 525, and the rest of us did whatever we did. It's just that the in-crowd at my school had a few very smart people. My best is that they just knew how to hide it and interact with the normals and the idiots around them.
 
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Valedictorian is meaningless in high school. Kids don't take the same classes nor do they have their priorities aligned. I didn't care much for classes like poetry or english but put the vast majority of my time into math and science. I also graduated with 40-50 college credits before even setting foot on campus. I was doing everything I could to set myself up for chemical engineering rather than focus on keeping perfect grades in my liberal arts classes in HS.* Even weighted GPA is a flawed measure.


*This probably is what kept me out of MIT. I was wait-listed there in a year where applications shot up something like 25-50% year-on-year. I probably was just short in terms of overall GPA since my SATs, SAT IIs, science course work, and extra curriculars were all in the average or slightly above average range for their admitted students. What might have been...
 
In such a wide world, anything is possible.

But I'm pretty sure you understand that among high school kids, smart and popular are disjoint sets*. That's not exactly a new observation.

* Except of course your kids. Your kids are wonderful, smart, popular, funny, talented, and gorgeous.

Not sure what your HS was like but smart kids were not necessarily excluded at my school simply for being intelligent and we did not lack for them. I could name easily more than two dozen "cool kids" that went to some very prominent colleges and weren't just book smart or lucky that daddy was connected. Sure we had our share of jagoffs but smart was never considered uncool.
 
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smart was never considered uncool.

It wasn't in my school, either, it was just that the groups of "smart" and "cool" kids didn't interract. As I tried to explain below the cliques described in every 90s high school movie didn't work that way in my school, because social groups were islands in a huge ocean of kids, the vast majority of whom were "unaffiliated." There was no mutual animosity between kids in different groups, and no "exclusion." Nobody ever said "you can't play our reindeer games," the coagulations of kids were too distant from each other for that.

It was actually a perfect preparation for college. Peer groups were driven completely by attraction. There was no repulsion between groups because they just didn't interract.
 
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I don't care about the Brits using those terms. But if an American does who might have taken a vacation in London once says it, I just cringe. Especially if they use it to try and sound smart.

Mind the gap and mind your head. ;)
 
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Valedictorian is meaningless in high school. Kids don't take the same classes ...

I finished second in my HS class by 0.005 to someone who literally took Home Ec I, II, and III and Typing II while was was taking Calculus, Physics, and Chem II. C'est la vie.
 
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I finished second in my HS class by 0.005 to someone who literally took Home Ec I, II, and III and Typing II while was was taking Calculus, Physics, and Chem II. C'est la vie.

Based solely upon my experiences in 7th and 8th grade home economics courses, I'd have had a worse GPA had I taken those classes in high school. My 8th grade teacher named a mistake after me. I found out through a nephew that she'd taught the mistake's name to other home ec. teachers. I have a legacy on this earth!
 
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I finished second in my HS class by 0.005 to someone who literally took Home Ec I, II, and III and Typing II while was was taking Calculus, Physics, and Chem II. C'est la vie.

They weight AP classes now to ensure the "right" (i.e., college-bound) kids win VD/SD.

In my HS my weighted GPA was a shade under 4.20 (top scale 4.3 for an A in AP) and I finished 7th. There were a lot of seriously smart kids in my HS, along with a lot more seriously dumb ones.

My college GF totally boned her best friend out of HS VD. She and he got straight 4.0s, but AP classes got a .1 premium. She took every available AP class. He took every one he was allowed to, but his mother taught AP Chem so he wasn't allowed to take it (OCI). So he wound up a few thousandths of a point short. She always felt guilty about that. If I was the guy I'd have at least asked for a handy.

I agree with St. Clown about HomeEc. I took HomeEc in JHS and my friend and I spent the entire class disassembling our sewing machine and surreptitiously throwing pieces of it out the second floor window, culminating with the machine's entire casing. There was a hitter (did you guys have "hitters"? On LI in 1978 a "hitter" was a hamhead punk who beat kids up for their lunch money or just to take their domestic violence issues out on) who had beaten my best friend up in 7th grade sitting in front of us, so we switched desks and he got blamed.

Jocks: Never f-ck with nerds. We will hack the CPS database and have your children taken away.
 
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