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What the Fark 2: That Was... Interesting.

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Kepler said:
We're doing the world a favor. It won't have to overthrow our empire; we're committing nutritional suicide.
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Not sure if it was Stalin or Kruschev that said it, but the USSR did say: "America's worst enemy is itself."
 
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The first question asked: “Do you support or oppose the following government policies?”
86.5% of respondents support mandatory country of origin labels for meat. A large majority (82%) support
mandatory labels on GMOs, but curiously about the same amount (80%) also support mandatory labels on
foods containing DNA.

http://agecon.okstate.edu/faculty/publications/4975.pdf
 
Brenthoven said:
The first question asked: “Do you support or oppose the following government policies?”
86.5% of respondents support mandatory country of origin labels for meat. A large majority (82%) support
mandatory labels on GMOs, but curiously about the same amount (80%) also support mandatory labels on
foods containing DNA.

http://agecon.okstate.edu/faculty/publications/4975.pdf
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Forgive me for not reading the article but doesn't every living thing on this planet contain DNA?
 
joecct said:
Forgive me for not reading the article but doesn't every living thing on this planet contain DNA?
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Yes. Which will be amazing to see the morons heads explode when they purchase their organic vegetables from Trader Joes or Whole Foods and see *everything* slapped with a "Contains DNA" sticker.


It's a wonder some people pass elementary school. No child left behind, my a**!
 
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joecct said:
Forgive me for not reading the article but doesn't every living thing on this planet contain DNA?
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That's pretty much the point of the press release. It's catching people globbing on to current buzzwords, measuring propoganda (advertising) effectiveness.

I heard a statement recently (radio host reading an article) that the most heavily GMO'd object in history is the family dog. How many breeds are there at this point? How many were there 10,000 years ago?
 
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St. Clown said:
I heard a statement recently (radio host reading an article) that the most heavily GMO'd object in history is the family dog. How many breeds are there at this point? How many were there 10,000 years ago?
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The good thing about crop GMOs is that we at least select for genes we think are beneficial. With dogs, we find a quirk, think its cute, turn it into a breed, and doom generations of dogs to short lives, hip dysplasia and a bunch of odd and rare conditions that are only possible through aggressive inbreeding/artificial selective pressure.
 
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WisconsinWildcard said:
The good thing about crop GMOs is that we at least select for genes we think are beneficial. With dogs, we find a quirk, think its cute, turn it into a breed, and doom generations of dogs to short lives, hip dysplasia and a bunch of odd and rare conditions that are only possible through aggressive inbreeding/artificial selective pressure.
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English bulldogs are a perfect example of that. Look at illustrations of English bulldogs from the 18th and 19th centuries and then look at a photo of one today. The breed got its name because they used to coral and fight bulls. Since then people have bred them to look and behave so different from their ancestral roots that they can barely breath, some are concerned about the breed dying off altogether because of the issue, and they're laying blame at the feet of organizations like the AKC and its international equivalents for setting dangerous breed standards in shows.
 
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WisconsinWildcard said:
The good thing about crop GMOs is that we at least select for genes we think are beneficial. With dogs, we find a quirk, think its cute, turn it into a breed, and doom generations of dogs to short lives, hip dysplasia and a bunch of odd and rare conditions that are only possible through aggressive inbreeding/artificial selective pressure.
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For some, the lives are very short. I knew a woman who bred a specific breed of dog, continually using the same breeding stock (the family trees had the same names several times) knowing that at least one, and sometimes several, puppies would be born blind. She promptly culled them.

I will never own another purebred. Our current mutt is the best dog we've ever had.
 
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CLS said:
For some, the lives are very short. I knew a woman who bred a specific breed of dog, continually using the same breeding stock (the family trees had the same names several times) knowing that at least one, and sometimes several, puppies would be born blind. She promptly culled them.

I will never own another purebred. Our current mutt is the best dog we've ever had.
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I don't think there is a problem with owning a purebred, as long as you don't support breeders that are so irresponsible as you describe. We have a purebred lab, and we got him from a family that had a litter of puppies. They used his parents for hunting, and as pets, and wanted puppies. Its the whole puppymill thing that should not be supported.
 
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CLS said:
For some, the lives are very short. I knew a woman who bred a specific breed of dog, continually using the same breeding stock (the family trees had the same names several times) knowing that at least one, and sometimes several, puppies would be born blind. She promptly culled them.

I will never own another purebred. Our current mutt is the best dog we've ever had.
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One of my friend's parents went to Texas to get a purebred Aussie Collie... It's going to be a house dog its whole life.

Unless you're using your purebred for a specific purpose (i.e. hunting), I really don't see a) the point of the purebred, outside of bragging, and b) traveling such a distance for a dog. Surely there's an Aussie Collie in a shelter nearby you could save instead of laying down the cash to travel and purchase the dog from the breeder.
 
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You presume much about the buyers, the sellers, the process, the motives...
 
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Spartanforlife4 said:
One of my friend's parents went to Texas to get a purebred Aussie Collie... It's going to be a house dog its whole life.

Unless you're using your purebred for a specific purpose (i.e. hunting), I really don't see a) the point of the purebred, outside of bragging, and b) traveling such a distance for a dog. Surely there's an Aussie Collie in a shelter nearby you could save instead of laying down the cash to travel and purchase the dog from the breeder.
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An purebred Aussie Collie?? Isn't that just a cross between an Australian Shepherd and a Border Collie??

http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/b/borderaussie.htm

And they want it to be a house dog? Hope they are runners. They are going to have to take it out all the time to burn off that dog's energy or else its going to get destructive because it doesn't have anything to do. Heck, my Mom got a mini Aussie this spring and she's a pistol at times. Really glad I got chickens this spring as that gives her something to be sort of a job for her bossing them around the yard when I let them out to free range a bit. Keeps her from going after our shoes and my pants.
 
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bigmrg74 said:
An purebred Aussie Collie?? Isn't that just a cross between an Australian Shepherd and a Border Collie??

http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/b/borderaussie.htm

And they want it to be a house dog? Hope they are runners. They are going to have to take it out all the time to burn off that dog's energy or else its going to get destructive because it doesn't have anything to do. Heck, my Mom got a mini Aussie this spring and she's a pistol at times. Really glad I got chickens this spring as that gives her something to be sort of a job for her bossing them around the yard when I let them out to free range a bit. Keeps her from going after our shoes and my pants.
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My bad, it's an Aussie Shepard. My gf's dog is a collie so I had collie on the mind.

The rest of their dogs are shepards and seem to be fine inside, so they make it work somehow, but I still don't see why they can't get one from a shelter.
 
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bigmrg74 said:
An purebred Aussie Collie?? Isn't that just a cross between an Australian Shepherd and a Border Collie??

http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/b/borderaussie.htm

And they want it to be a house dog? Hope they are runners. They are going to have to take it out all the time to burn off that dog's energy or else its going to get destructive because it doesn't have anything to do. Heck, my Mom got a mini Aussie this spring and she's a pistol at times. Really glad I got chickens this spring as that gives her something to be sort of a job for her bossing them around the yard when I let them out to free range a bit. Keeps her from going after our shoes and my pants.
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My brother and his wife have three Aussie's, and the wife started going to agility classes and sheep herding events to give the dogs something to do. Also, there's a difference between the Aussies bred as show dogs (more house friendly) and work dogs (need to be outside almost always). Of those Aussies I've met over the years since they've started with these dogs, I find the work dogs have been nicer, more affectionate dogs, which I also find slightly ironic.
 
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Spartanforlife4 said:
My bad, it's an Aussie Shepard. My gf's dog is a collie so I had collie on the mind.

The rest of their dogs are shepards and seem to be fine inside, so they make it work somehow, but I still don't see why they can't get one from a shelter.
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Its understandable. They really are kind of the same dog really.

Yeah, you gotta give them something to do to give them something to do that burns off energy. They would do well in a house with a big backyard, but not all cooped up all day. Right now I'm glad that my Mini Aussie enjoys napping right on my lap. I should go reward her with a trip out to the coop to check on her chickens.
 
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