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Whale Wars

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Rox22 said:
I love to watch this show right after watching a few episodes of Deadliest Catch, strictly for the contrast.

In an one hour episode of DC the crew works 36 hours straight in 30 foot seas and bring in tens of thousands or dollars worth of crab. Meanwhile in a one hour episode of Whale Wars they finally figure out how to launch their inflatable while in calm seas on a sunny day. I’ve always thought that if you took the Deadliest Catch crews and put them on the Steve Irwin, the Japanese fleet would be at the bottom of the ocean by now.
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I've been hoping the idiot hippies on the Steve Irwin would venture into the Bearing Sea and try and shut down crab fishing. It would be interesting to see just how it was before the Steve Irwin was on the bottom of the ocean.

What the morons are doing is the textbook definition of piracy and should be punished as such. The spin they use is pretty good. Chase a vessel around for days and then claim it's attacking them so can throw bottles from their ship and not violate the rules of the Dutch flag they are sailing under. Get their prop fowler stolen and whine about the fact it could be used against them. Whine about the nuts throw at the speed boat after throwing glass bottles full of acid at another vessel. Ram another vessel and blame it on the Japanese.

And someone mentioned that butyric acid isn't harmful earlier in the thread. This simply isn't true. It's highly toxic to marine life and can cause instant blindness. Read up on it at the CDC's website.
 
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If the ratings start to fade, maybe the Discovery channel could have a Whale Wars vs The Deadliest Catch pilot episode. I'd love to see Capt. Sig and the "Northwestern" take on Watson and the "Irwin". The winner could take on "Time bandit" or the vessel that is used in that show, that salvages all the spanish gold.
 
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Ok, I'm watching this show, and I am really having trouble grasping something:

How is the Sea Shepard legally able to go out and commit petty vandalism against the Japanese ships that are LEGALLY (at least I think it's legal) fishing :confused:
 
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RaceBoarder said:
Ok, I'm watching this show, and I am really having trouble grasping something:

How is the Sea Shepard legally able to go out and commit petty vandalism against the Japanese ships that are LEGALLY (at least I think it's legal) fishing :confused:
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What I don't get is how they (the commissioners against whaling and everyone that supports it) can declare that harpooning a whale is inhumane yet shooting a bow or firing a bullet into deer/elk/etc. isn't? Or that letting dogs maul foxs isn't? *** is going on in this world? :confused:
 
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RStarr said:
What I don't get is how they (the commissioners against whaling and everyone that supports it) can declare that harpooning a whale is inhumane yet shooting a bow or firing a bullet into deer/elk/etc. isn't? Or that letting dogs maul foxs isn't? *** is going on in this world? :confused:
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Whales are endangered. Deer should be hunted by the buttload - they're a menace.
 
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We don't know whether or not the japanese are hunting whales or conducting "research," and with all the spin they blast out on the animal planet show and all the self-righteousness on the part of the Irwin crew I wouldn't be surprised if either were true. If only South Park were real, there would be a Perfect Storm of smug.
 
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RStarr said:
What I don't get is how they (the commissioners against whaling and everyone that supports it) can declare that harpooning a whale is inhumane yet shooting a bow or firing a bullet into deer/elk/etc. isn't? Or that letting dogs maul foxs isn't? *** is going on in this world? :confused:
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I think the difference there is that the bullet/arrow is intended to kill the deer pretty instantaneously...we all know that that doesn't always happen. The difference is that the harpoon is not designed to kill the whale, it is designed to capture the whale until a deadly blow can be administered which leads to much pain and suffering on the part of the whale.

The bullet/arrow is designed to kill, while the harpoon is not. It is designed to injure.
 
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I don't forsee it happening, but I really want to see the harpoon ship deploy their prop fouler and disable the Irwin. They said that was their 4th failed attempt to deploy it? They didn't even get it in front of the boat..and they have tried 4 times. It would be really funny if the huge harpoon ship did it right on the first try.


What I still don't get is why no actual athority type force is being used on the Japenese for illegaly whaling. Even if they are doing "research" their 90,000 whale quota is outrageous. Why can't the international whaling commision (which japan is a member of but 1 of 86) do something about this?


Scanning the IWC's website they seem to have a lot of concessions for Japanese whaling and looks like they have sided with the japanese on the antartic whaling issue and are against the confrontations.
 
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So this is the first time I've watched this show. How do these idiots think they can get close to the whaling ship with their little crappy speed boats when they can't with the Irwin because of water cannons? Then going head on at the huge whaling ship? Morons. Even if they could do this and hit the whaling ship, why would the Japanese care if they got hit with one stink bomb? Big deal. It's like a mosquito.

Go Japanese! Kill those stupid whales!
 
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Dirty said:
So this is the first time I've watched this show. How do these idiots think they can get close to the whaling ship with their little crappy speed boats when they can't with the Irwin because of water cannons? Then going head on at the huge whaling ship? Morons. Even if they could do this and hit the whaling ship, why would the Japanese care if they got hit with one stink bomb? Big deal. It's like a mosquito.

Go Japanese! Kill those stupid whales!
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They used to get really close with the Irwin, but the netherlands (whose flag they fly under) sent them a fax that basically said they could not do anything to the the ships with the irwin. They used to pull up along side the boats and throw tons of Butyric Acid on them. I"m guessing the japanese government threatened the netherlands to withold imports etc, if things continued.
 
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So, when the Irwin is harrassing one of the whaling ships, does that ship just stay close enough to the Irwin that they keep on bugging them while leaving the rest of the whaling fleet alone? Or at least send out an APB to the other ships to stay out of the area?
 
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Re GoJackets - Your statement regarding the humanness of shooting/bow hunting holds no water. You say that these weapons are *meant* to kill instantaneously unlike harpooning which we all know doesn't happen in reality. So again, both types of hunting are inhuman and to argue otherwise is asinine.

Japan should be harassed and more power to the Sea Sheppard's (It's really too bad they don’t have more funding, leadership, training, resources, etc.). I'd love nothing more than to spit in the whalers and their supporters faces (or just force feed them a bunch of mercury tainted meat). Want to know more about how disgusting and despicable Japan is? Watch the new documentary coming out called The Cove. It's pretty much about how Japan also slaughters dolphins (and turtles). I'm about ready to nuke Japan out of existence. Idiots. I'm guessing the stupidity must come from their pee sized brains (which are probably all infected with syphilis). Hopefully they all get mercury poisoning and die. The sooner, the better. :)

Anyway, let's get back to criticizing the people who are actually trying to do something while we just sit behind these computer screens.

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GreatLakerMohawk said:
Whales are endangered.
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Not every species of whale is endangered. Minke whales (which are hunted by Norwegians) and Bowhead whales (which are hunted by Alaska Natives) are not endangered and are hunted legally albeit with certain restrictions.

The Japanese do this "research" to prove that they should be allowed to hunt legally. A little more info from, unfortunately, Wikipedia:
Since the 1986 IWC ban on whaling, Japan has conducted its whaling by issuing scientific research permits. The value of "lethal sampling" of whales is a highly contentious issue. The stated aim of the Japanese JARPA research program is to establish sustainable whaling in the Antarctic Ocean.[98] The selling of whale meat from the lethal sampling to fish markets is purportedly to help fund the research, a claim disputed by opponents as being a cover for illegal whaling. The IWC requires information on population structure, abundance and prior whaling history, which anti-whalers argue can be obtained through non-lethal means.[citation needed]

Lethal sampling is required to obtain age information and precise dietary composition. The age of a whale can be reliably gathered by examining the ear plug in the head of the dead animal, which accumulates as annual growth rings. Japan initially argued that simple population distribution of whale species is enough to determine the level of sustainability of the hunt and argued that certain species of whale, particularly minke whales, are in sufficient number to be hunted. The anti-whaling side countered by arguing that more accurate composition of population distribution in term of age and sex distribution is needed to determine the sustainability, which ironically provided the justification for the Japanese hunt under the scientific research exemption. According to lethal-sampling opponent Nick Gales, age data is not needed to establish a catch limit for whaling within the framework of the Revised Management Procedure (RMP) computer modeling, which is the stated goal of the Japanese research.[98]

Dietary information is obtained with lethal sampling by cutting open the stomach of the animal. Opponents of lethal sampling state that dietary habits can be ascertained by biopsies as well as collecting feces from living whales. Proponents counter by stating that biopsies only reveal the type of food consumed (such as fish or krill) and not the exact type of fish, and that feces analysis does not provide as good of a quantitative estimation of dietary consumption.

Although lethal sampling is a heavily debated issue, the IWC Scientific Committee acknowledges the usefulness of the data from JARPA.[99] In a November 2008 review of Japan's first 18 years of its scientific whaling program, the IWC stated that the panel was "very pleased with the data [that Japan] collected," and though "there was some advice on how these data could be further analyzed, or better analysed," that there "was general consensus about the high quality and the usefulness of the data."
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This show is a low-class attempt to distort facts and garner attention and sympathy to their side of the issue. I have very little sympathy for these d-bags and frankly I hope one of the ships runs them over.
 
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RStarr said:
Anyway, let's get back to criticizing the people who are actually trying to do something while we just sit behind these computer screens.

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Right. 'Cuz the end justifies the means in all cases.

Following that logic, nobody should ALF or ELF for their 2-dozen terrorist acts committed between 2002 and 2005. After all, they were just trying to actually do something to help animals or the environment, as opposed to sitting behind these computer screens.

Or is that somehow "different"? :rolleyes:
 
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Jimjamesak said:
Not every species of whale is endangered. Minke whales (which are hunted by Norwegians) and Bowhead whales (which are hunted by Alaska Natives) are not endangered and are hunted legally albeit with certain restrictions.




This show is a low-class attempt to distort facts and garner attention and sympathy to their side of the issue. I have very little sympathy for these d-bags and frankly I hope one of the ships runs them over.
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is it necessary to kill 90,000 whales for this research?
 
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bigmrg74 said:
So, when the Irwin is harrassing one of the whaling ships, does that ship just stay close enough to the Irwin that they keep on bugging them while leaving the rest of the whaling fleet alone? Or at least send out an APB to the other ships to stay out of the area?
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In the past they would just run away because they were faster and more agile than the Irwin. Now the Japanese have a battle plan and use it to lure the irwin in and then launch surprise attacks against them. The Irwin hasn't figured it out yet.
 
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