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West Regional - Fargo, ND - March 24th and 25th - tUMD, BU, UND, and tOSU

Re: West Regional - Fargo, ND - March 24th and 25th - tUMD, BU, UND, and tOSU

Patronick said:
Driving an hour down the road constitutes traveling these days?
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Well, yeah, when you consider that you could just hop in the transporter and have Scotty send you wherever you like instantaneously! :) Heck, haven't you seen that commercial? Now they have cars that drive themselves ("Look, I can park my car with no hands.")
 
chickod said:
Which is why I was surprised to see them play the first game. At the very least, it would have "ensured" a big crowd for both games. Besides, usually the #1 seed plays the first game so that's even more perplexing. But, of course, we always forget about the "really" important factor - the TV networks, who determine everything. It's the price you pay for having the game on. Certainly BU / North Dakota was the "marquee" matchup - two storied program and all, and they probably didn't want to put it on late at night (and it would have been REALLY late given the events that transpired)!
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Same in the Northeast regional. UMass vs Cornell is the first game.
Two reasons this is perplexing.
1) The Gophers are technically the #1 seed and the later game.
2) Nobody will stay for Minn vs Notre Dame.
 
Rabid Gopher said:
Same in the Northeast regional. UMass vs Cornell is the first game.
Two reasons this is perplexing.
1) The Gophers are technically the #1 seed and the later game.
2) Nobody will stay for Minn vs Notre Dame.
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I wouldn't stay for a gopher game if you paid me. Why would I want to be around that arrogant fan base. ;)
 
Re: West Regional - Fargo, ND - March 24th and 25th - tUMD, BU, UND, and tOSU

North Dakota, you were the better team and should have advanced; you were borderline robbed! Your team play was much better than that of BU's although Keller's OT pass to McAvoy was NHL-caliber. I believe if you would have won this game you would have exercised your demons and gotten past MnD.
 
Re: West Regional - Fargo, ND - March 24th and 25th - tUMD, BU, UND, and tOSU

chickod said:
Why is everyone ripping the North Dakota fans? The same thing happens everywhere...it's just that usually (especially in the East, where the regionals are at sites within driving distance of about 20 schools) there is a more "even" distribution of fans, so there will be "some" fans at both games. In this case, 99% of the seats were sold to North Dakota fans. Did you ever think maybe they have kids, or they have to eat (and don't want to eat the food in the arena because if you have a family it might cost five times as much)? I mean, the game went four hours.
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Look, there was a healthy number of UND fans at the game at the first. slowly they left but I don't blame them because their team lost and of how long their game went. Let's not blame them here. They showed up.

Plus the UMD fans were to the left of the camera and had the camera been on the other side it would have looked better.


I haven't seen a UMD goalie play like Miska has since Stalock. That was insane and UMD should have lost multiple times. Hopefully they learned their lesson about letting off the gas, that was probably the worst game I've seen them play in person all year. worst game since their loss at Western. I'm relieved UMD won but they got lucky.
 
Re: West Regional - Fargo, ND - March 24th and 25th - tUMD, BU, UND, and tOSU

Hockeybuckeye said:
Duluth wins after getting outplayed nearly all period. We had our chances and then some but allowed Duluth too much time and control in our zone and bad things happen to a team that doesn't come out to challenge and take the puck away.
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If Duluth doesn't have Miska in net the Buckeyes easily win that game as they were clearly the superior team last night. With the 3rd best Big Ten team having outplayed the best team in the NCHC, we can now put to rest that obnoxious attitude some people have about the NCHC being soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much better than the Big Ten.
 
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chickod said:
OK. Do we really want to get into this now? I was a referee for 17 years. A referee's entire life consists of people questioning every call. Imagine if there were someone looking over your shoulder at work (I don't know what you do) and pouncing on you every time you make a mistake. Obviously the officials are going to make SURE of the call, because if they are hasty and are wrong, they will get VILLIFIED because now they were wrong TWICE. Then they will get sanctioned and probably demoted by the "evaluators" and commissioners who assign the games. After a while, you become hesitant to make ANY call and you figure, "heck, I'll just make the safe call and let them review it." Do they stop the game and show fifteen replays every time a player fans on a shot, or if the goalie lets one through his pads? No. Why is "human error" OK for everyone else and not for officials? THAT'S why it takes so long.
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Let revisit this. The referee EMPHATICALLY signaled a good goal. The standard on the review is there must be clear and indisputable proof that it was NOT a goal. This is where the issue becomes entirely different in that they are NOT reviewing to decide if there is clear evidence that the puck crossed over, rather they are reviewing to determine if it did NOT cross over which is an entirely different standard because it WAS ruled a good goal on the ice.
Now the camera view from the side was obstructed by a Duluth player so this only leaves the overhead. The next question is WHERE was the puck when the ref signaled goal? Another key point is the goaltender reached back and covered the puck with his glove and started to come forward out of the net and once the puck's view is obstructed what happens after is moot. I saw the same image over and over that everyone saw. What we did NOT see was the unobstructed view of the referee. I saw NO conclusive and indisputable evidence to overturn the original call as the puck was not in CLEAR VIEW the whole time.
 
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Speed Kills said:
If Duluth doesn't have Miska in net the Buckeyes easily win that game as they were clearly the superior team last night. With the 3rd best Big Ten team having outplayed the best team in the NCHC, we can now put to rest that obnoxious attitude some people have about the NCHC being soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much better than the Big Ten.
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I'd say Denver is the best team in the NCHC; won the regular season handily and were top seed overall. BTW, this is a really STUPID argument. Holy Cross beats Minnesota, one year after an all-WCHA Frozen Four; does this end the argument that the WCHA was superior to other leagues at the time, especially since Wisconsin went on to win that NCAA tournament? NCHC has had at least one team in the Frozen Four every year of its existence, and is in position to have two team in the Frozen Four for the second consecutive year. We'll see what happens with Union and Penn State, but I don't see Minnesota getting past Lowell if the Gophers win today against Notre Dame, and don't see Penn State beating Denver if they get past Union. That would mean that in the four years of the B1G, they've had a team in the Frozen Four once.
 
Arafel said:
I'd say Denver is the best team in the NCHC; won the regular season handily and were top seed overall. BTW, this is a really STUPID argument. Holy Cross beats Minnesota, one year after an all-WCHA Frozen Four; does this end the argument that the WCHA was superior to other leagues at the time, especially since Wisconsin went on to win that NCAA tournament? NCHC has had at least one team in the Frozen Four every year of its existence, and is in position to have two team in the Frozen Four for the second consecutive year. We'll see what happens with Union and Penn State, but I don't see Minnesota getting past Lowell if the Gophers win today against Notre Dame, and don't see Penn State beating Denver if they get past Union. That would mean that in the four years of the B1G, they've had a team in the Frozen Four once.
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Don't try to reason with Crack Kills. Waste of time.
 
Re: West Regional - Fargo, ND - March 24th and 25th - tUMD, BU, UND, and tOSU

Speed Kills said:
If Duluth doesn't have Miska in net the Buckeyes easily win that game as they were clearly the superior team last night. With the 3rd best Big Ten team having outplayed the best team in the NCHC, we can now put to rest that obnoxious attitude some people have about the NCHC being soooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much better than the Big Ten.
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I'd imagine the Buckeyes would have won with an empty net, but who knows.
 
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Arafel said:
I'd say Denver is the best team in the NCHC; won the regular season handily and were top seed overall. BTW, this is a really STUPID argument. Holy Cross beats Minnesota, one year after an all-WCHA Frozen Four; does this end the argument that the WCHA was superior to other leagues at the time, especially since Wisconsin went on to win that NCAA tournament? NCHC has had at least one team in the Frozen Four every year of its existence, and is in position to have two team in the Frozen Four for the second consecutive year. We'll see what happens with Union and Penn State, but I don't see Minnesota getting past Lowell if the Gophers win today against Notre Dame, and don't see Penn State beating Denver if they get past Union. That would mean that in the four years of the B1G, they've had a team in the Frozen Four once.
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Pretty foolish to assume that both Minnesota and Penn State without a doubt will not advance to the Frozen Four. This is typical of the obnoxious anti-Big Ten propaganda that I'm so sick and tired of.
 
Hockeybuckeye said:
Let revisit this. The referee EMPHATICALLY signaled a good goal. The standard on the review is there must be clear and indisputable proof that it was NOT a goal. This is where the issue becomes entirely different in that they are NOT reviewing to decide if there is clear evidence that the puck crossed over, rather they are reviewing to determine if it did NOT cross over which is an entirely different standard because it WAS ruled a good goal on the ice.
Now the camera view from the side was obstructed by a Duluth player so this only leaves the overhead. The next question is WHERE was the puck when the ref signaled goal? Another key point is the goaltender reached back and covered the puck with his glove and started to come forward out of the net and once the puck's view is obstructed what happens after is moot. I saw the same image over and over that everyone saw. What we did NOT see was the unobstructed view of the referee. I saw NO conclusive and indisputable evidence to overturn the original call as the puck was not in CLEAR VIEW the whole time.
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From the replay they showed us on the building I never saw the puck go in yea it might have been on his back but could u really tell his back was across the goal line? Just like the Duluth goal that got called back neither goal went in the net
 
Re: West Regional - Fargo, ND - March 24th and 25th - tUMD, BU, UND, and tOSU

klbaum1077 said:
From the replay they showed us on the building I never saw the puck go in yea it might have been on his back but could u really tell his back was across the goal line? Just like the Duluth goal that got called back neither goal went in the net
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Remember the determining point by rule is because it was called a goal on the ice they had to determine that it did NOT cross the line and there was not enough of a clear video view to overturn the on ice call. Basically we got scr#wed.
 
Hockeybuckeye said:
Remember the determining point by rule is because it was called a goal on the ice they had to determine that it did NOT cross the line and there was not enough of a clear video view to overturn the on ice call. Basically we got scr#wed.
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I know exactly what your saying I just don't know how that saw either one of those picks ever go in
 
Re: West Regional - Fargo, ND - March 24th and 25th - tUMD, BU, UND, and tOSU

Hockeybuckeye said:
Remember the determining point by rule is because it was called a goal on the ice they had to determine that it did NOT cross the line and there was not enough of a clear video view to overturn the on ice call. Basically we got scr#wed.
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That's what confused me on the reversal.

Intuitively, it's *likely* that it didn't go in- so if the ref didn't call it- that would have never counted.

BUT- he called it a goal. And there was no view that showed that the puck didn't go in with enough certainty. Every shot blocked the puck large enough that it could have completely crossed the line. So I just don't understand how you reverse a call that you can't see at all.

Again, it's highly likely that the ref made a bad call, and it didn't go in. But the call was made and it REQUIRES a view showing that it didn't go in.

edit- even if it was a goal, that does not mean the game would have played out as it did. Anything could have happened. If it were the game winner in OT or late in the 3rd, then I would say OSU got screwed.
 
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