Re: Welcome Back to the WCHA Northern Michigan
Well, Tech can only get better? Right?
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Welcome Back to the WCHA Northern Michigan
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goCATSgo56
jv jo
Re: Welcome Back to the WCHA Northern Michigan
Maybe NMU can be invited to the GLI downstate and see some old friends there? Of course...would we play for 3rd place at the Joe in the GLI like we have become so used to doing in the CCHA playoffs?
Maybe NMU can be invited to the GLI downstate and see some old friends there? Of course...would we play for 3rd place at the Joe in the GLI like we have become so used to doing in the CCHA playoffs?
bronconick
Yep, still here
Re: Welcome Back to the WCHA Northern Michigan
http://www.miningjournal.net/page/content.detail/id/564714.html
Really? Is it just me or does this seem to imply that some of the teams that won't even be around in 2013-14 are considering voting down something that will never effect them, so the WCHA is trying to get around letting them vote?
http://www.miningjournal.net/page/content.detail/id/564714.html
Really? Is it just me or does this seem to imply that some of the teams that won't even be around in 2013-14 are considering voting down something that will never effect them, so the WCHA is trying to get around letting them vote?
JF_Gophers
2147483647
Re: Welcome Back to the WCHA Northern Michigan
They certainly won't be finishing 10th-12th anymore.
aparch
Well-known member
Yep. When I first learned of it, that was exactly my thought. The NCHC schools can stick it to the WCHA on their way out the door. Legally, there are still 12 WCHA member schools who must continue to vote for changes to the league even if they already have one foot out the door.
A legal quirk to the by-laws.
*edit* it may not even be the NCHC's trying to purposely screw the WCHA. If seven of twelve schools abstain from voting, is a unanimous vote from the five remaining schools enough to pass the resolution? 5/12 is not 9/12.
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cross cheque
Make the playoffs, not war.
Re: Welcome Back to the WCHA Northern Michigan
.........and it's all UND's fault.
welcome back pussycats! you and your sandbagging coach and diseased women!!
****! its good to have you back! let the games begin!
.........and it's all UND's fault.
Almington
Blood Boiling with Rage and Hate
Re: Welcome Back to the WCHA Northern Michigan
The only explanation that I can think of is that money from the WCHA playoffs is at issue, specifically how the final years income will be paid out.
The only explanation that I can think of is that money from the WCHA playoffs is at issue, specifically how the final years income will be paid out.
Shirtless Guy
Old Dirty Basterd
Re: Welcome Back to the WCHA Northern Michigan
I hate to break it to you but thats completely false. NMU doesn't want to play MTU in NC games because the games are pretty much always a coin toss and if they lose, it kills their RPI. If NMU wins, it doesn't drag down their pairwise...not since the 25/21/54 RPI and "no game may decrease your RPI with a win"
Shirtless Guy
Old Dirty Basterd
Re: Welcome Back to the WCHA Northern Michigan
I would assume that not voting (abstaining) is the same as saying no in this instance.
moose97
New member
Re: Welcome Back to the WCHA Northern Michigan
No, this is not true at all. In fact, I know the BSU FAR quite well, and he told me last Friday that he could have gotten the UMinn or UWisc FAR's on the phone at a moments notice and they would have been glad to vote in NMU. Rather, this is about changing the league by-laws to make operating the conference easier for the next two years while setting up the 6 (or 8) team league. In other words, every time the WCHA wants to make a change to the by-laws (move the Final Five or change its format, add a new team, change the rule about 4000 seats in the rink to admit a member, etc) they don't have to call the Gophers, Badgers, Omaha, UND, Duluth or CC and Denver. Why bother those guys/gals about changes that they don't care about? They couldn't change the rules in the short amount of time they had by Friday's meeting - but will by tomorrow, as I understand.
No, this is not true at all. In fact, I know the BSU FAR quite well, and he told me last Friday that he could have gotten the UMinn or UWisc FAR's on the phone at a moments notice and they would have been glad to vote in NMU. Rather, this is about changing the league by-laws to make operating the conference easier for the next two years while setting up the 6 (or 8) team league. In other words, every time the WCHA wants to make a change to the by-laws (move the Final Five or change its format, add a new team, change the rule about 4000 seats in the rink to admit a member, etc) they don't have to call the Gophers, Badgers, Omaha, UND, Duluth or CC and Denver. Why bother those guys/gals about changes that they don't care about? They couldn't change the rules in the short amount of time they had by Friday's meeting - but will by tomorrow, as I understand.
scsutommyboy
Frozen four or Bust!!
Re: Welcome Back to the WCHA Northern Michigan
That makes much more sense. Thanks Moose!
That makes much more sense. Thanks Moose!
Re: Welcome Back to the WCHA Northern Michigan
However based in the principle that no active member should have their ability to vote on an issue raised during their tenure of active membership should be denied, even if it would not take effect during a time when they would be an active member.
Under normal rules of parliamentary procedure, those abstaining (or voting "present"*) are not counted as votes in regards to deciding a majority. In an assembly of 100 people present, and the vote is tallied at 1 yes, 0 no, 99 present, then the motion would carry 1-0 (as well as carrying as unanimous). In this case, assuming standard Robert's Rules apply, the vote would be 5-0 in favor, and the motion would carry, since 4 yeas (i.e. a 3/4 majority of the membership present and voting) were recorded.
However, any organization has the ability to set its own by-laws, and since the WCHA already requires a 3/4 majority in its by-laws, it's not safe to assume they operate under the standard Roberts' Rules. The WCHA could very well have said "It requires a 3/4 majority of the active membership", in which case it must be 9 yeas before the motion would carry, no matter what any member votes (for all we know, it may actually state in the by-laws that on matters of membership, abstentions are not permitted). Such conditions are not exactly desired in Robert's Rules, as it effectively turns abstentions into nay votes, and keeps voters from maintaining a neutral position, but there's nothing stopping anyone from enacting those rules.
That being said, of course, there'd be nothing (to my knowledge) that would prevent the 2013-14 WCHA from taking this vote at a time when its active membership is 5, and carrying forth a gentleman's agreement with Northern Michigan during the intervening period that the vote would be a formality. But I'm sure that's cold comfort to NMU, having to wait two years for an actual formal acceptance. And, of course, if the by-laws are changed, then this is all moot.
*Abstentions are typically recorded as a vote of "present" so that the votes are counted towards quorum.
However based in the principle that no active member should have their ability to vote on an issue raised during their tenure of active membership should be denied, even if it would not take effect during a time when they would be an active member.
Under normal rules of parliamentary procedure, those abstaining (or voting "present"*) are not counted as votes in regards to deciding a majority. In an assembly of 100 people present, and the vote is tallied at 1 yes, 0 no, 99 present, then the motion would carry 1-0 (as well as carrying as unanimous). In this case, assuming standard Robert's Rules apply, the vote would be 5-0 in favor, and the motion would carry, since 4 yeas (i.e. a 3/4 majority of the membership present and voting) were recorded.
However, any organization has the ability to set its own by-laws, and since the WCHA already requires a 3/4 majority in its by-laws, it's not safe to assume they operate under the standard Roberts' Rules. The WCHA could very well have said "It requires a 3/4 majority of the active membership", in which case it must be 9 yeas before the motion would carry, no matter what any member votes (for all we know, it may actually state in the by-laws that on matters of membership, abstentions are not permitted). Such conditions are not exactly desired in Robert's Rules, as it effectively turns abstentions into nay votes, and keeps voters from maintaining a neutral position, but there's nothing stopping anyone from enacting those rules.
That being said, of course, there'd be nothing (to my knowledge) that would prevent the 2013-14 WCHA from taking this vote at a time when its active membership is 5, and carrying forth a gentleman's agreement with Northern Michigan during the intervening period that the vote would be a formality. But I'm sure that's cold comfort to NMU, having to wait two years for an actual formal acceptance. And, of course, if the by-laws are changed, then this is all moot.
*Abstentions are typically recorded as a vote of "present" so that the votes are counted towards quorum.
moose97
New member
Re: Welcome Back to the WCHA Northern Michigan
Well, we do know that when BSU and UNO were admitted that the votes were 9 in favor and one abstention...
Well, we do know that when BSU and UNO were admitted that the votes were 9 in favor and one abstention...
Re: Welcome Back to the WCHA Northern Michigan
Any knowledge or rumors on who the abstention was?
Any knowledge or rumors on who the abstention was?
ExileOnDaytonStreet
Drunkard
Re: Welcome Back to the WCHA Northern Michigan
That depends, did the vote occur during the football season?
Any knowledge or rumors on who the abstention was?
That depends, did the vote occur during the football season?
Re: Welcome Back to the WCHA Northern Michigan
I'm with you Moose. Given the relationship that NMU has had with other WCHA schools, I think that UMD, Minnesota, Wisconsin and UMD would fall under the "gimme" department as far as a vote goes. I believe that the remaining five just wanted to set precedent for any voting that would come up not affecting the current members who are departing for other leagues.
I'm with you Moose. Given the relationship that NMU has had with other WCHA schools, I think that UMD, Minnesota, Wisconsin and UMD would fall under the "gimme" department as far as a vote goes. I believe that the remaining five just wanted to set precedent for any voting that would come up not affecting the current members who are departing for other leagues.
Makes sense to me. Having a stable WCHA left when the great schism happens is going to be important to both the big ten and the NCHA. Keeping everybody happy til the Great schism happens is clearly going to be important to everybody, and if things get hammered out that things could be arranged so that there's only a small amount of bad blood left over from this with some sort of an interlock deal with the NCHA, the WCHA, and Minnesota and Wisconsin, then so much the better then.
Twitch Boy
Defacing this tagline is a MAX foul
Re: Welcome Back to the WCHA Northern Michigan
Oh goody. Now I get to have flashbacks of Matt Siddall's Punch-Out all over again.
Oh goody. Now I get to have flashbacks of Matt Siddall's Punch-Out all over again.
uaafanblog
AKA - "Drop The Puck"
Re: Welcome Back to the WCHA Northern Michigan
I personally hope my program never finds a need to play (at home or away) DU, UND, UMD or CC again. That's with the big "E" in nEver. As for UNO. Who cares? Never played them before they came into the WCHA.