WCHA Thread V

[ne7minder]

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Yeah...I think I wouldn't mind a sweep by the visitors in that one. NoDak really needs that and it would make things more interesting.

I expected Bemidji to cool off some in the 2nd half. If NoDak can't take the bulk of points in Duluth then I'd bet they, and the Buckeyes fight tooth and nail for the 4th place finish 'til the conclusion of the regular season.

No, no, no, no, NO. As much as I hate the cheap stuff UMD pulls they are angels compared to the Friggin Whouix.

 

[Goon]

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UND Women Push Win Streak to Four

 

[CrazyDave]

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An update on UND's Lisa Marvin from Let's Play Hockey -- On the road to recovery

 

[KTDC]

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An update on UND's Lisa Marvin from Let's Play Hockey -- On the road to recovery

Marvin described the injury, how bone was initially sticking out of her arm after the accident, and the first surgery in which plates were inserted into her arm. She may need bone grafts in the future.

“The goal is to get back to full strength. They said about nine months to a year for full recovery for the knee, and one year for the arm. There was also nerve damage, which they won’t give a time on.

“It’s definitely been a day-to-day process. I do want to play hockey again if possible. The doctors assured me I’ll be able to skate and run again.”

 

[ne7minder]

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“The goal is to get back to full strength. They said about nine months to a year for full recovery for the knee, and one year for the arm. There was also nerve damage, which they won’t give a time on.

I was badly injured & nerves were also cut during the surgery. It was the weirdest thing when they came back I was sitting on the sofa and all of a sudden I thought I had an accident because there was a warmth that just spread out across my leg. It took almost 2 years and it went from nothing to fully recovered in about a minute.

I hope she recovers OK.

 

[96IllinoisDad]

I was badly injured & nerves were also cut during the surgery. It was the weirdest thing when they came back I was sitting on the sofa and all of a sudden I thought I had an accident because there was a warmth that just spread out across my leg. It took almost 2 years and it went from nothing to fully recovered in about a minute.

That is just wild.

 

[KTDC]

Re: WCHA Thread V

I am looking at penalty statistics in the WCHA.

The least penalized team is UW with 97 penalties and no majors.

The most penalized team is UMD with 137 although they also have no majors, UND has the most minutes with 131 penalties for 290 minutes which works out to 2.21 minutes per penalty.

Ohio State has the 3rd fewest penalties -104- in the WCHA, but at 2.32 minutes per penalty they have the highest minute per penalty of any team. The only entity with higher minute per penalty is opponents of the Buckeyes. Opponents of the Buckeyes also have the 2nd highest number of penalties -138- (after UMD) of the opponent of any team in the WCHA. Ohio State games have the 2nd most number of penalties and the most penalty minutes in WCHA.

What does that mean? Though OSU does not take an inordinate number of penalties throughout their games, are the penalties they do commit particularly dirty and bait the opponent and cause them to take an unusually high number of penalties and throw them off their game?

Why are there so many majors in OSU games?


……………penalties….min….min per pen……..penalties per game……pen minutes per game
BSU………….118……..255………...2.16
opponent….109…….232………...2.13 …………………….227…………………………….. 487
MN……………..98………196………...2.00
opponent….113 ……..237 ………2.10………………………211……………………………...433
UMD…………..137……..274………..2.00
opponent…..140…….294……….. 2.10 …………………..277…………………………….. 568
MS-M………….136…….289………….2.13
opponent …..82…….164………….2.00………………...…218……………………………….453
UND……………131…….290………...2.21
opponent…..101……202…………2.00……………………..232……………………………….492
OSU……………104……241………...2.32
opponent…..138……331…………2.40……………………..242……………………………….572
SCSU………….120……262………...2.18
opponent…..103……220…………2.14…………………….. 223……………………………. 482
UW……………..97…….194………….2.00
opponent…..130……271…………2.08………………………227……………………………...465



Hopefully, there aren't too many mistakes in here

 

[The Boomer]

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Not unusual in women's hockey for the highly skilled teams to take fewer--and less severe--penalties. Skilled teams can move the puck and have good speed, thus fewer "lazy" penalties like trips, hooks, etc.

Some teams do have some "hacks" playing that ring up more penalties and more major penalties. It only takes one or two individuals to increase the statistics of a team.

Even though I really don't much like Ohio State, it seems to me that the odd fact that they were able to tie mighty Minnesota is being faulted by some Gopher fans as "dirty" play, etc.

We have all seen games where the officials let things get out of control, either by making sure the marbles are equally distributed, or by missing the dangerous penalties and only call the ticky-tacky ones.

Most good teams will adjust to intimidating tactics by the opponent and will find a way to win those games.

 

[Eeyore]

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Even though I really don't much like Ohio State, it seems to me that the odd fact that they were able to tie mighty Minnesota is being faulted by some Gopher fans as "dirty" play, etc.

No. Ohio State was called for a checking from behind major three minutes into the first game of the series. Two minutes after that, they picked up a bodychecking penalty for lining a player up from halfway across the ice and blasting her into the stanchion at the end of the bench. During the third period, one of their players tried to kick Amanda Leveille during a scrum but missed. Later in the third period, a Buckeye took a slapshot right at the goalie a good second and a half after an offsides whistle. In the ensuing melee their leading scorer was swinging her stick at people's heads until Brad Frost grabbed it from her. In the third period yesterday Sara Schmitt blasted someone from directly behind into the boards, injuring her shoulder.

And it's not a new thing. Remember, this is the team that got into a bench clearing brawl with Bemidji State last year. Three years ago, one of them dislocated Emily West's jaw with a forearm to the chin. There are other incidents and I've heard from fans of other WCHA teams about problems they've had with OSU.

This was no one's imagination.

 

[ne7minder]

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This was no one's imagination.

It was most obvious on Saturday when they didn't play dirty for two periods. Plus to respond to Boomer nobody complained that BSU played dirty when they tied & beat "Mighty Minnesota" earlier this year. BSU did it by playing great defense & blocking shots like mad. OSU had a tremendous forecheck both days and I would say they played a great game if not for the constant elbows, fists, and stick-work, charging and checking from behind. We know at least 2 Gophers were injured badly enough that they were taken out of the game, thats not normal.

 

[pokechecker]

Re: WCHA Thread V

Not unusual in women's hockey for the highly skilled teams to take fewer--and less severe--penalties. Skilled teams can move the puck and have good speed, thus fewer "lazy" penalties like trips, hooks, etc.

Some teams do have some "hacks" playing that ring up more penalties and more major penalties. It only takes one or two individuals to increase the statistics of a team.

Even though I really don't much like Ohio State, it seems to me that the odd fact that they were able to tie mighty Minnesota is being faulted by some Gopher fans as "dirty" play, etc.

We have all seen games where the officials let things get out of control, either by making sure the marbles are equally distributed, or by missing the dangerous penalties and only call the ticky-tacky ones.

Most good teams will adjust to intimidating tactics by the opponent and will find a way to win those games.

first of all, it's the Gophers own fault they let OSU tie them

and for the record, it was the usual suspect, the same problem child it nearly always is
maybe it's not her fault, bad parenting, bad genes, ....

 

[ne7minder]

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BTW - I'd like to compare MSU's rugged style to what we saw from OSU. Mankato will put a body on the puck carrier always and with more force than would be considered legal in women's hockey. I have no problem with that as long as the talent level is equal enough that both side can take the physical bumping. The impression I have gotten from Eastern coaches is that the WCHA is more rugged than they are used to but the top teams I have seen from out East have no problem playing that way so I wonder if they are working the refs. MSU checks more than any WCHA team I have seen but the sticks, elbows and fists stay down where they belong. Thats OK mostly as far as I am concerned. UMD and UND play cheap from what I have seen; elbows, sticks and fists come up in dangerous ways. UMD seems particularly bad when they fall behind but nobody uses them to the extent that OSU did on Friday. That was a crime, the game is dangerous enough when played as it is ruled to be played. Playing to intentionally hurt people should be prevented.

 

[brookyone]

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SCSU Huskies @ MSU-M Mavericks tonight, then the upcoming weekend has:

St. Cloud State @ Bemidji State

Minnesota State @ Ohio State

Minnesota @ North Dakota

Minnesota-Duluth @ Wisconsin

NoDak seems to be focused on a push to move up the standings ladder. Know they'll be doing everything possible for chance to leap frog the Bulldogs. More fireworks in GF?

 

[pokechecker]

Re: WCHA Thread V

No, no, no, no, NO. As much as I hate the cheap stuff UMD pulls they are angels compared to the Friggin Whouix.

let's cut to the chase, the more Canadians you have on your team, the more likely you are to have some players who try to make up for their lack of skill by being a goon, while most Canadian coaches and parents do not approve of this or teach it, there are many that do, it is part of their nation's fabric, pro players who play like this are held in high esteem

I don't know about the rest of the US, but this sort of BS is not tolerated around here in youth hockey, sure, there are a few players that do stuff like this, and there was the boys coach , but the vast majority of coaches do not teach that and any players who are lead astray by pro hockey are given behavior modification

 

[brookyone]

Re: WCHA Thread V

let's cut to the chase, the more Canadians you have on your team, the more likely you are to have some players who try to make up for their lack of skill by being a goon, while most Canadian coaches and parents do not approve of this or teach it, there are many that do, it is part of their nation's fabric, pro players who play like this are held in high esteem

I don't know about the rest of the US, but this sort of BS is not tolerated around here in youth hockey, sure, there are a few players that do stuff like this, and there was the boys coach , but the vast majority of coaches do not teach that and any players who are lead astray by pro hockey are given behavior modification

Except that where NoDak is concerned I think the worst...or most likely offender is a US, and Minnesota native.

 

[ne7minder]

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let's cut to the chase, the more Canadians you have on your team, the more likely you are to have some players who try to make up for their lack of skill by being a goon, while most Canadian coaches and parents do not approve of this or teach it, there are many that do, it is part of their nation's fabric, pro players who play like this are held in high esteem

I don't know about the rest of the US, but this sort of BS is not tolerated around here in youth hockey, sure, there are a few players that do stuff like this, and there was the boys coach , but the vast majority of coaches do not teach that and any players who are lead astray by pro hockey are given behavior modification

I have certainly felt that way on the mens side for years, since UND was bringing down those 22 year old Freshmen to beat on 18 year old kids from the states. But I never wanted to indict Canada as much as the NHL. The league claims to have the greatest players but it never allows them to play their game because every team has goons so if you want to make it to the NHL but are not Rocket Richard then learn to goon it up & there is still a good chance. That attitude has filtered down to the NCAA and Minnesota high school. Went to see Burnsville play Wayzata a couple weeks back & the puck was secondary to pushing & shoving; a lot of cheap stuff happening. A couple years ago I was at a bantam tourney and watched two guys pound each other in the facemask 5 or 6 times. The ref stood there & watched did nothing.

The women may be slower but the games are faster because there is not (yet) all the hooking, holding, interference and cheap shots that have become common place on the mens side.

 

[pokechecker]

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Except that where NoDak is concerned I think the worst...or most likely offender is a US, and Minnesota native.

I had included a reference to her in my original writing but deleted it, along with a boys coach who thankfully is no longer coaching.

the exception does not disprove the rule

IMO, naming them, or even referring to them, gives them notoriety they do not deserve

I have certainly felt that way on the mens side for years, since UND was bringing down those 22 year old Freshmen to beat on 18 year old kids from the states. But I never wanted to indict Canada as much as the NHL. The league claims to have the greatest players but it never allows them to play their game because every team has goons so if you want to make it to the NHL but are not Rocket Richard then learn to goon it up & there is still a good chance. That attitude has filtered down to the NCAA and Minnesota high school. Went to see Burnsville play Wayzata a couple weeks back & the puck was secondary to pushing & shoving; a lot of cheap stuff happening. A couple years ago I was at a bantam tourney and watched two guys pound each other in the facemask 5 or 6 times. The ref stood there & watched did nothing.

pushing and shoving is a far cry from the stuff we (I) am referring to

and look at the WCHA men, if you have been following them for as long as I have you know it has been cleaned up greatly, back in the day it was the Wild Wild West, basically many of the Canucks were lacking in talent (the reason they were in college) and the only way to the NHL was by proving they could fight

 

[ne7minder]

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IMO, naming them, or even referring to them, gives them notoriety they do not deserve

She is the little goon that cross-checked the living hell out of Terry after she scored the winning goal in OT at the NCAA tourney and intentionally tripped a ref as she came out of the box this year. She is a piece of work that needs to sit out for a long time

pushing and shoving is a far cry from the stuff we (I) am referring to

I was being polite, I really wanted to call it jousting but there were a lot of fists & sticks to the face & head. The most memorable set was 2 guys beating the hell out of each other while the puck sat unmolested at their feet. A third player swooped in & took it but the refs called nothing.

I'll add that our daughter played hockey at the same high school as the little thug did, though 3-4 years earlier, & thugetta did not learn to play that way there. I assume it is her personal style but I can't see her HS coach tolerating that crap.

 

[pokechecker]

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Though OSU does not take an inordinate number of penalties throughout their games, are the penalties they do commit particularly dirty and bait the opponent and cause them to take an unusually high number of penalties and throw them off their game?

Why are there so many majors in OSU games?

you pretty much answered your own question

they play Canadian hockey, that is:
if you can't bring your game up to the level of your opponent
bring your opponents level of play down to yours
this strategy is nearly as old as hockey

that is accomplished by seeing what you can get away with, slashes, gloves to the face, cross checks.... often post whistle because they know most refs won't call it then
until your opponent finally is more or less forced to respond
if the opponent is more concerned about retaliating, they no longer have their mind on what makes them better

this is how the Canadians beat Team USA to some extent and Stone fell for it (if that's the way they want to play..)

honestly, I thought OSU played as well as WI did against the Gophers, the difference is that the Badgers are a much better disciplined team and channeled their energy into playing better rather than playing dirty
sure the result was the same, a tie and a loss, but in the long run the Badgers are a better team and more likely to accomplish a lot more

 

[ne7minder]

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this is how the Canadians beat Team USA to some extent and Stone fell for it (if that's the way they want to play..)

Stone had lot of help from a couple of sisters who seem to sacrifice play for cheap & the funny thing is the D half gets toasted often enough that Canadian TV made a video of it.