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WCHA Thread III
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ARM
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When I watch the teams play, I'd be inclined to agree with you -- Ohio State is a scary team. But they are -28 in goal differential in the league. The Buckeyes will have to get better defensively to climb out of the bottom half of the league.
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I never said what I would do, I'm only commenting on what I see. I assume you are speaking about Spooner. My guess is that she is viewed as a good puck handler and a sniper. She has 25 goals, most of which are within 15 feet of the net.
We can debate about who should play where all day long, but that's not what's wrong. As ARM states, they aren't very good defensively, and haven't been for a while.
There are way many more important coaching decisions being made. What they practice, how they practice, what they are instructed to do during games, adjustments made during games, etc.
I spoke with several UMD players this weekend and it was amazing how different the philosophies are concerning practices this time of year. It's important to keep kids fresh this time of year and it sounds like Miller gets that. Why wouldn't she? She's a great coach.
I never said what I would do, I'm only commenting on what I see. I assume you are speaking about Spooner. My guess is that she is viewed as a good puck handler and a sniper. She has 25 goals, most of which are within 15 feet of the net.
We can debate about who should play where all day long, but that's not what's wrong. As ARM states, they aren't very good defensively, and haven't been for a while.
There are way many more important coaching decisions being made. What they practice, how they practice, what they are instructed to do during games, adjustments made during games, etc.
I spoke with several UMD players this weekend and it was amazing how different the philosophies are concerning practices this time of year. It's important to keep kids fresh this time of year and it sounds like Miller gets that. Why wouldn't she? She's a great coach.
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You're right, OSU's problem is not who is on the PP or which position they play, it's the horrendous defense that keeps them from climbing the WCHA ladder. My Columbus connection tells me that the same D make the same mistakes over and over again with pucks not being held in at the blue line, brake out passes in the feet or behind the player, and, of course my personal favorite the infamous pass to the other team in the slot which results in a goal is always a crowd pleaser. ( i saw that on Buckeye vision this past Friday).
You're right, OSU's problem is not who is on the PP or which position they play, it's the horrendous defense that keeps them from climbing the WCHA ladder. My Columbus connection tells me that the same D make the same mistakes over and over again with pucks not being held in at the blue line, brake out passes in the feet or behind the player, and, of course my personal favorite the infamous pass to the other team in the slot which results in a goal is always a crowd pleaser. ( i saw that on Buckeye vision this past Friday).
ARM
Fan of chipmunk-like mascots.
Re: WCHA Thread III
WCHA Standings at a Glance
This is the snapshot heading into the final weekend of the regular season:
1st Wisconsin (70 points) -- the Badgers are the top seed.
2nd Minnesota (54 points) -- the Gophers can finish no worse than third; they likely need four points in Grand Forks to finish ahead of the Bulldogs.
3rd Minnesota-Duluth (51 points) -- although they could still mathematically wind up 4th, the 'Dogs are more likely to take 2nd with a sweep of SCSU if the Gophs lose at UND.
4th North Dakota (47 points) -- the Sioux can no longer catch Minnesota, and would need considerable help from the Huskies to catch UMD. UND in 4th looks like a safe bet.
5th Bemidji State (35 points) -- the Beavers are locked into 5th as they host OSU. My expectation is that means they will open the WCHA tournament in NoDak.
6th Ohio State (28 points) -- mathematically MSU could catch them. Given the Mavericks are hosting the Badgers, I'm not going to worry about who would hold a potential tiebreaker between OSU and MSU. The Buckeyes will be playing at Bemidji this weekend with little riding on the series, then most likely in Duluth or Minneapolis in the quarters.
7th Minnesota State (22 points) -- Unless the UW bus gets lost on the way to Mankato and other unforseen events occur, the Mavericks will be the 7th seed, meaning they will play either Minnesota or Minnesota-Duluth in a week and a half.
8th St. Cloud State (5 points) -- Huskies win! Huskies win! As a reward, they get to travel to Duluth and Madison back-to-back before taking out the golf clubs.
A swap of UMD and Minnesota in 2nd and 3rd is a possibility; no other movement in the standings is likely.
WCHA Standings at a Glance
This is the snapshot heading into the final weekend of the regular season:
1st Wisconsin (70 points) -- the Badgers are the top seed.
2nd Minnesota (54 points) -- the Gophers can finish no worse than third; they likely need four points in Grand Forks to finish ahead of the Bulldogs.
3rd Minnesota-Duluth (51 points) -- although they could still mathematically wind up 4th, the 'Dogs are more likely to take 2nd with a sweep of SCSU if the Gophs lose at UND.
4th North Dakota (47 points) -- the Sioux can no longer catch Minnesota, and would need considerable help from the Huskies to catch UMD. UND in 4th looks like a safe bet.
5th Bemidji State (35 points) -- the Beavers are locked into 5th as they host OSU. My expectation is that means they will open the WCHA tournament in NoDak.
6th Ohio State (28 points) -- mathematically MSU could catch them. Given the Mavericks are hosting the Badgers, I'm not going to worry about who would hold a potential tiebreaker between OSU and MSU. The Buckeyes will be playing at Bemidji this weekend with little riding on the series, then most likely in Duluth or Minneapolis in the quarters.
7th Minnesota State (22 points) -- Unless the UW bus gets lost on the way to Mankato and other unforseen events occur, the Mavericks will be the 7th seed, meaning they will play either Minnesota or Minnesota-Duluth in a week and a half.
8th St. Cloud State (5 points) -- Huskies win! Huskies win! As a reward, they get to travel to Duluth and Madison back-to-back before taking out the golf clubs.
A swap of UMD and Minnesota in 2nd and 3rd is a possibility; no other movement in the standings is likely.
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Well we DID get points from UMD this year with the tie and shoot out win! They are one of the two teams in the league SCSU knows it can get points from so maybe just maybe SCSU surprises UMD in Duluth this weekend and gets some points from them before they go and get destoryed by the Badgers?
Ok, probably not, but a fan can always hope!
Well we DID get points from UMD this year with the tie and shoot out win! They are one of the two teams in the league SCSU knows it can get points from so maybe just maybe SCSU surprises UMD in Duluth this weekend and gets some points from them before they go and get destoryed by the Badgers?
Ok, probably not, but a fan can always hope!
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While your prose is a little over the top, it's clear that an improvement in defensive numbers is needed. In team offense, OSU ranks #12 in the nation. In team defense, we're just four spots above the bottom. Now if we played a schedule of more average difficulty, there's little doubt that both numbers would be better; maybe a lot better. But the WCHA schedule isn't going to get easier anytime soon. So even though we aren't "horrendous," we must improve. As has been aggressively pointed out by others, some additional size on D would aid the effort.
I presume you're talking about the Brienna Gillanders (#92) goal. Live, it did indeed appear to be the "crowd pleaser" you've described. But after comparing notes with a number of others, I'm convinced the truth is different. The forechecker on the play, Pernilla Winberg (#51), got a big piece of the puck, redirecting it to Gillanders. The play was bang-bang, with Winberg seemingly coming out of nowhere. On reflection, she may have come directly from the bench. On that part of the play, I'm just guessing. Regardless, it was great hustle by Winberg, a forced error, and good fortune for UMD that the puck went directly to Gillanders. It was NOT the unforced error that both of us thought we saw live.
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I'm not sure how BuckeyeVision works, to be quite honest. But if it lets you replay a game you've previously purchased, take another look at the Gillanders goal. I'd be very surprised if it varies much from the description I posted. And if you do get a chance to check it out, I'd be very interested to know where Winberg came from. (bench vs. hustling back into the play) She caught me completely off-guard, and obviously the Buckeye defender as well.
Can't give intuition too much credit on this one...
I'm not sure how BuckeyeVision works, to be quite honest. But if it lets you replay a game you've previously purchased, take another look at the Gillanders goal. I'd be very surprised if it varies much from the description I posted. And if you do get a chance to check it out, I'd be very interested to know where Winberg came from. (bench vs. hustling back into the play) She caught me completely off-guard, and obviously the Buckeye defender as well.
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In either case, I'd like to see a game with the question clearly in mind before passing judgement. Unfortunately, I'm probably not going to have that opportunity for a while.
But looking back with limited memory, (intuition?) I'd say there was room for better execution in this regard.
Well, as a preliminary matter, I'm not 100% sure what you're asking. If you mean does OSU have an unusual proclivity for intentionally for steering the play behind its own net, I would have to say no. But I think you're really asking whether the Buckeyes are a bit inefficient on the breakout, thus leading to scrums and turnovers behind the net. There could be some to truth to the latter assertion.
In either case, I'd like to see a game with the question clearly in mind before passing judgement. Unfortunately, I'm probably not going to have that opportunity for a while.
But looking back with limited memory, (intuition?) I'd say there was room for better execution in this regard.Re: WCHA Thread III
I don't think OSU's defensemen are bad at all. They might be a little small. I also don't think there's a problem with their play behind the net. The problem is they don't mark up or block out in front. I think there system is to crowd in front of the net but can't with there size. With their speed they should be pressuring the play and have everyone responsible for a player in the D zone. That can be corrected with proper coaching.
Their other problem is they play there top 5 or 6 WAY to much that is why I questioned playing Spooner on D shorthanded in a earlier post.
I feel that the OSU players will respond in the play down and will upset whoever they play in the first round.
Again it's much easier to coach from the stands.
I don't think OSU's defensemen are bad at all. They might be a little small. I also don't think there's a problem with their play behind the net. The problem is they don't mark up or block out in front. I think there system is to crowd in front of the net but can't with there size. With their speed they should be pressuring the play and have everyone responsible for a player in the D zone. That can be corrected with proper coaching.
Their other problem is they play there top 5 or 6 WAY to much that is why I questioned playing Spooner on D shorthanded in a earlier post.
I feel that the OSU players will respond in the play down and will upset whoever they play in the first round.
Again it's much easier to coach from the stands.
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Every player in the Women's WCHA is an elite athlete, and that certainly includes our D corps.
I'm grateful for the uptick in OSU posts. Naturally I wish we were celebrating instead of "looking for answers." But big picture, it's actually positve that people care enough about the answers to look. Being relevant is a good thing.
At the same time, while the various posts have been interesting, I'm not sure there's any single smoking gun here...
Every player in the Women's WCHA is an elite athlete, and that certainly includes our D corps.
I'm grateful for the uptick in OSU posts. Naturally I wish we were celebrating instead of "looking for answers." But big picture, it's actually positve that people care enough about the answers to look. Being relevant is a good thing.
At the same time, while the various posts have been interesting, I'm not sure there's any single smoking gun here...
brookyone
Deport Right Wing Nuts
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Terrible news for Miss Reilly and the Buckeyes.
http://www.wcha.com/women/presarch/201102/feb15wcw.php
Whatever anyone thinks about OSU's defense, it won't be helped with Reilly out. She broke her hand when hit with a slapshot and is in a hard cast. Tough way to likely end your senior season.
Terrible news for Miss Reilly and the Buckeyes.
http://www.wcha.com/women/presarch/201102/feb15wcw.php
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Shannon's been an awesome Buckeye and will be greatly missed.
Very difficult news.Whatever anyone thinks about OSU's defense, it won't be helped with Reilly out. She broke her hand when hit with a slapshot and is in a hard cast. Tough way to likely end your senior season.
Shannon's been an awesome Buckeye and will be greatly missed.Re: WCHA Thread III
Totally agree. OSU way to passive in D. Forwards no where near the opposing points. They are all in front of net. Also, agree it is much easier to coach from stands.
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Totally agree. OSU way to passive in D. Forwards no where near the opposing points. They are all in front of net. Also, agree it is much easier to coach from stands.
JosephPSchmoe
I'll say it if you won't
Blackbeard
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Re: WCHA Thread III
Thanks for the tip. High scoring game as UW claimed the regular season trophy. Nice 2 hole goal by Frykas all alone in the slot.
Interesting move by Idalski by putting Ney in net after Dagfinrud was scored on 5 times but after UND had just scored twice to start getting back into the game, still down 2 goals...but, unfortunately, it backfired. (Obviously, going into the middle of a game cold is one of the most difficult things for goalies. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't...and she had apparently struggled the night before and had been pulled for Dagfinrud at the end of the first period). After Ney's being scored on twice in fairly short order near the end of the second period Dagfinrud was back in net for the third period to play out the game.
Idalski must be wondering what to do at that position for the playoffs. Maybe this coming weekend's series will give him some direction.
One of the Ammerman's was injured (looked like a knee injury) and was carried back onto the ice (sans uniform) for the presentation of the trophy. Hopefully she'll be back for the playoffs.
Do you know if many D1 games are televised throughout the season on this network?
Thanks for the tip. High scoring game as UW claimed the regular season trophy. Nice 2 hole goal by Frykas all alone in the slot.
Interesting move by Idalski by putting Ney in net after Dagfinrud was scored on 5 times but after UND had just scored twice to start getting back into the game, still down 2 goals...but, unfortunately, it backfired. (Obviously, going into the middle of a game cold is one of the most difficult things for goalies. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't...and she had apparently struggled the night before and had been pulled for Dagfinrud at the end of the first period). After Ney's being scored on twice in fairly short order near the end of the second period Dagfinrud was back in net for the third period to play out the game.
Idalski must be wondering what to do at that position for the playoffs. Maybe this coming weekend's series will give him some direction.
One of the Ammerman's was injured (looked like a knee injury) and was carried back onto the ice (sans uniform) for the presentation of the trophy. Hopefully she'll be back for the playoffs.
Do you know if many D1 games are televised throughout the season on this network?
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