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WCHA REFEREE Arrested

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LynahFan said:
No chance. There hasn't been a fatality due to a bombing on a commercial flight that departed a US airport since 1962 (link), so in the last 50 years, the rate of fatalities per flight hour has been exactly 0. If you include flights to the US from other countries, the last fatality was in 1988 (Lockerbie), so there's still 24 years in a row with a rate of 0. Rate of drunk driving fatalities per hour is therefore infinitely higher. :)
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The number of hours people drive in the world is also infinitely more than the number of hours people fly. I don't know what the rates are and which one is actually higher, and it is probably is next to impossible to figure it out, I just said I wouldn't be surprised if it was.

The Concorde had exactly one crash in it's history, but has the worst accident record of any airplane per 100,000 (I think) flight hours.
KnowItAll said:
did you read the story?
the counter agent put the wrong sticker on this guy's bag. the guy brought this to the attention of the agent. (I am sure it would be illegal for ME to mistag my bag on purpose... for the very reason that the ref brought up.. .in case there were a bomb in it... or any other contraband)....

so he tells the agent, and the agent does not care... he asks about the mis tagged bag and says "what if the other guy put a bomb in the bag that you have now marked as mine?".... in so many words...
I think that is a valid question.
you think he sould be arrested for asking a question?

would it be any different had he asked "what if there is something in the bag that does not belong to me?"... the agent COULD have assumed that that "something" is a bomb... that would be a reasonable assumption... that IS the thing that they are hoping to weed out, and it would be wisest to err on the side of safety, don't you think?
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I did read the article. If he said "something" instead of "bomb" then yes, this would have been an overreaction. That one word makes a world of difference whether you think it does or not.
 
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Suppose he said that the switched baggage was an abomination. Not joking here. Sadly, you could bet a good number of TSA minions would sound the alarm. Does fear justify arbitrary search and seizure? How many bombs have been discovered by TSA as a result of of overhearing a desperado talking about the bomb? I doubt that modesty would prevent the TSA authorities from publicizing such successes.
 
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KnowItAll said:
yeah, and it wouldda sucked to admit out loud that I was a communist when McCarthy was going nuts in this country, and it also wouldda sucked to have admitted out loud that I was a Jew in a coffeeshop in 1944 Berlin.... Unfortunately, this is not Berlin and I also would have thought that McCarthyism had died.
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That's why I used the word, "unfortunately" but in a more contemporary framework. History is replete with examples of "terror" as an affective construct that possesses the action potential to mutate into many sociocultural and communicable forms at an given apex of time. Its salient efficacy is both corporately and individualistically holistic in nature. You make an interesting observation sir, and it accentuates the affective crisis that currently resides in the central core of the worldview of this nation.

In essence, there is little doubt variable levels of terror have infiltrated the neuropsychological networks of all strata of the collective consciousness of American society as well as the blood brain barrier of every American today. But in my view, what is even more alarming is "unfortunately" America is teetering on the precipice of mass hysteria informed by the same historical and phenomenological tyranny many imagined would never effectively propagate within our borders again. I hate to think of what may result if America is unprepared for another 9/11. Keep in mind, the ubiquitous goal of terrorism is not material destruction, it is by definition psychopathological. Mr. Friesema found this out the hard way by using the "B-word" in an airport facility which "unfortunately" symbolizes in our collective consciousness where it all began.
 
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SJHovey said:
So let me guess, they found a bomb in the suitcase?

What, no?? I am shocked, absolutely shocked they didn't discover a bomb, what with that keen analysis and detective work by the airport/TSA personnel.

Is there anyone here, who when you read the report about what happened, really thought there was any possibility at all there was actually a bomb in that suitcase? So why should we give a pass to some clown who now says they had to shut down an airport and presumably do all sorts of inspections.

People should be mocked for stupidity in this story. But it's the airport personnel.

I think people ought to start saying the word "bomb" at airports. Maybe if everyone did it we'd stop all this nonsense.
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yup... and I have a been telling everyone I know that the best way of getting rid of those radiation machines is for everyone to refuse to go in them, and demand the pat down.

once the lines are slowed down by a ton, things will change.
I like how they tell me that the radiation machines are non-ioinizing, like anyone wearing a TSA uniform can tell anyone what that means (and yeah, I know.. I am a know it all...) I ask them whether the UV that causes melanoma is ionizing radiation, and of course they don't know how to answer...
 
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HarleyMC said:
That's why I used the word, "unfortunately" but in a more contemporary framework. History is replete with examples of "terror" as an affective construct that possesses the action potential to mutate into many sociocultural and communicable forms at an given apex of time. Its salient efficacy is both corporately and individualistically holistic in nature. You make an interesting observation sir, and it accentuates the affective crisis that currently resides in the central core of the worldview of this nation.

In essence, there is little doubt variable levels of terror have infiltrated the neuropsychological networks of all strata of the collective consciousness of American society as well as the blood brain barrier of every American today. But in my view, what is even more alarming is "unfortunately" America is teetering on the precipice of mass hysteria informed by the same historical and phenomenological tyranny many imagined would never effectively propagate within our borders again. I hate to think of what may result if America is unprepared for another 9/11. Keep in mind, the ubiquitous goal of terrorism is not material destruction, it is by definition psychopathological. Mr. Friesema found this out the hard way by using the "B-word" in an airport facility which "unfortunately" symbolizes in our collective consciousness where it all began.
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first of all, i am pretty sure you could have said all that in about 15 words.
second, so?
bs is bs.
and we should stop letting those in power grab more power by their disinformation campaigns and as you put it, mass hysteria.
it took HOW long for the FCC to be told to stop their gigantic fines for people who had wardrobe malfunctions? They tried to grab that power too.
 
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Osorojo said:
Suppose he said that the switched baggage was an abomination. Not joking here. Sadly, you could bet a good number of TSA minions would sound the alarm. Does fear justify arbitrary search and seizure? How many bombs have been discovered by TSA as a result of of overhearing a desperado talking about the bomb? I doubt that modesty would prevent the TSA authorities from publicizing such successes.
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testify, brother.
and when the guy told the agent that his niggardly friend wanted to buy the cheapest seats possible and was also suspended from working WCHA games for his racist remark...
 
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UncleRay said:
x 100

The problem, apparently, is that there are too many people like MNS populating TSA and the gates and are completely incapable of making the distinction between asking about a bomb and implying that one exits. In their world merely saying the word bomb is the same as claiming that there is one there.
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There are two versions about what was said. The employee at the airport reported that he said "but there's a bomb in his bag". Pete says he worded it "But, what if there's a bomb in his bag". The latter makes the most sense to me.
 
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KnowItAll said:
first of all, i am pretty sure you could have said all that in about 15 words.
second, so?
bs is bs.
and we should stop letting those in power grab more power by their disinformation campaigns and as you put it, mass hysteria.
it took HOW long for the FCC to be told to stop their gigantic fines for people who had wardrobe malfunctions? They tried to grab that power too.
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You completely missed the point of my post, clearly your screen name is a misnomer.:D
 
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MinnesotaNorthStar said:
The number of hours people drive in the world is also infinitely more than the number of hours people fly. I don't know what the rates are and which one is actually higher, and it is probably is next to impossible to figure it out, I just said I wouldn't be surprised if it was.
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Infinitely? I do not think that word means what you think it means.
 
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Still waiting for JUST ONE verified instance where a bomb was discovered as a result of overhearing a passenger say the word "bomb" (or something similar) in an airport. Just one.
Think about the assumption which underlies the hysteria-inspired speech censorship policy of the TSA and its actions in this case: Passenger Frieseman knew there is a bomb in a bag going on the plane he is waiting to board so he decided to casually talk to security about it while he was waiting in line to board the plane with the bomb.
If such terrorists exist wouldn't it be easier to look for a trail of drool behind them instead of doing the terrorists work for them: further terrifying the public?
 
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I think that him getting arrested and shutting the airport down, particularly after they let him thru, is completely absurd. Here's a question that i still have, and nobody is seeming to address...he got arrested for saying there was a bomb in the mis-tagged bag. Not his bag, his buddy's bag. Did they arrest his travel partner too ? Remember - they shut the airport down because the bomb was supposed to be in HIS bag.

I travel pretty frequently (fly over 150 times a year). Security is an absolute joke, principally because many of the people providing the security are incapable of actually identifying an actual threat. I honestly don't mean to be disparaging, but also don't take any comfort or feel secure when I watch and observe the people providing my so-called "security".
 
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Senna said:
I think that him getting arrested and shutting the airport down, particularly after they let him thru, is completely absurd. Here's a question that i still have, and nobody is seeming to address...he got arrested for saying there was a bomb in the mis-tagged bag. Not his bag, his buddy's bag. Did they arrest his travel partner too ? Remember - they shut the airport down because the bomb was supposed to be in HIS bag.

I travel pretty frequently (fly over 150 times a year). Security is an absolute joke, principally because many of the people providing the security are incapable of actually identifying an actual threat. I honestly don't mean to be disparaging, but also don't take any comfort or feel secure when I watch and observe the people providing my so-called "security".
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Another AMEN to that! Absurdity, absolute joke, incapable of actually identifying an actual threat, and a HUGE power-trip to teach some knucklehead a lesson.
 
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MinnesotaNorthStar said:
The number of hours people drive in the world is also infinitely more than the number of hours people fly. I don't know what the rates are and which one is actually higher, and it is probably is next to impossible to figure it out, I just said I wouldn't be surprised if it was.

The Concorde had exactly one crash in it's history, but has the worst accident record of any airplane per 100,000 (I think) flight hours.
I did read the article. If he said "something" instead of "bomb" then yes, this would have been an overreaction. That one word makes a world of difference whether you think it does or not.
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I understand the reality of the situation, and I also think that it is a bunch of garbage. The appearance of safety because our protective government NEEDS to treat us like idiots is not ok with me.
and it is not ok with any person who can think.

The TSA intentionally employs people who lack critical reasoning skills and that is sad.
The very idea that a person WITH a bomb would tell that there IS a bomb is crazy... frankly, anyone with a brain would know that the safest person on a plane is the ONE who wold dare mention the word....
 
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