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WCHA 2020-21: We Can Do Better than Two Bids and Eight Teams Exiting

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NCAA Hockey on Facebook has been posting complete games, or highlights of previous National Championships.

I was intrigued when they posted the 1993 LSSU/Maine matchup, if only because of the mystique that surrounds the "tying" goal LSSU scored. Or, didn't as was decided back then.

Here's the complete game: https://www.facebook.com/ncaahockey/videos/229110831625995/
The goal in question is at the 1 hour, 36 minute, 50 second mark. (Just under one minute of game time remaining.)


Sure looks like it was the tying goal to me. :eek:
 
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aparch said:
Sure looks like it was the tying goal to me. :eek:
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That second, slower replay of the forward angle (1:38:25) convinced me: The puck hits the inside bar. It could only be the crossbar if the puck stuck there for three or four frames of film.

EDIT: Yep, I see the skate lace on top of the net change positions also. Too blurry to see the actual movement.
 
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redwing61 said:
That second, slower replay of the forward angle (1:38:25) convinced me: The puck hits the inside bar. It could only be the crossbar if the puck stuck there for three or four frames of film.
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Same here. It dissappears for *way* too many frames to just be a ricochet off the front.

The other thing to me was the behind the net shot, and the puck doesn't deflect off at an angle to be off the front crossbar. It goes in around the middle of the top, and then a few frames later you see it further left than it should have been.
 
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Lost_Husky said:
The same reason why we, USA, don't have an approved manned spacecraft. No one put in the time, resources, testing, solved the technical challenges, met a need,...

For HIV/AIDS they have been researching a vaccine for 20+ years. Numerous trials have been done, but none of them have proven to be safe and effective.

For SARS and MERS, there is no need for a vaccine. They were contained and the virus died-off. Same thing happened with smallpox. If anyone on the planet is still vaccinated for smallpox, it is the small number of people who work in one of the two labs that have the last viable viruses. It has been "eliminated" and is no longer a threat to humanity.

Ebola is a different topic completely. It is found in remote parts of the world where there is limited access. It appears, is contained, disappears. People forget about it and life goes on. Then it re-emerges and is contained. With the increased population, improved access/travel, it has an easier time getting outside of those regions where it occurs and becomes a global risk.

You can't snap your fingers and have a vaccine. It takes a lot of testing to prove that the solution is effective and has a suitable risk profile.
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I'm not sure whether you're agreeing or disagreeing with me. Either way, your appeal to my job is noted.

GFM
 
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manurespreader said:
I guess he likes losing!
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I will admit I was kind of surprised when I saw he was transferring considering that BSU was in position to make the NCAA tournament this year and has a lot of those pieces back next year. And it is not like he wasn't seeing ice time for the Beavers. Also, given that fact the Michigan State was sixth in Big 10 made me scratch my head a little. But he is going as a graduate transfer, so maybe it is for a program there that BSU doesn't offer.
 
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gfmorris said:
I'm not sure whether you're agreeing or disagreeing with me. Either way, your appeal to my job is noted.

GFM
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Happy Smigus-Dyngus, everyone (and belated Easter).

There is some truth in what you are saying and some misconceptions.

Yes, HIV/AIDS research initially was delayed due to social issues, but all that changes in the late 90's early 2000's. Many viral treatment breakthroughs occurred because of HIV/AIDS research. Before this research, no approved viral treatments existed.

As for the lack of a vaccine, it is the virus of nightmares. (Oversimplification) It attacks and destroys the immune system. How do you re-train the immune system to fight something that evolved to destroy it? The current basis for every other vaccine is to "teach" the immune system what to look for and trick it into a fight. HIV/AIDS bypasses this system entirely and exploits a critical flaw in the defense. To this observer, gene therapy might be the best option.

SARS and MERS were controlled/eradicated before a vaccine could be developed/tested. Any effort that may have been started towards more than likely were stopped or run until the funding/semester/research paper were finished. Eradication is the best solution to any disease.

For Ebola, there might be some underlying truth to your statement, but from a technical standpoint, why develop a vaccine for a problem that occurs in remote, almost inaccessible jungles, is containable, and appears to be eradicated until it comes back years later. I wouldn't be surprised if we dug into the data that by the time researchers heard about an outbreak, mobilized, and arrived onsite, it was gone. It is only in the last 10 years that it has been harder to contain as population/access to the area has increased.

How often do we engineer a solution for an isolated manageable problem? We may keep an eye on it, but react only when it appears to not be isolated or manageable any more. Then you need to look at the ease of vaccinating the population. It dirt road jungle with a lack/limited of control/organization. Does that mean we shouldn't try, of course not. Even a 50% vaccination rate is going to reduce the likelihood someone is infected in the first place and make containment that much easier.

That is a long way of saying I agree and disagree with you. ;)
 
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So, here is a VERY preliminary non-conference schedule for the WCHA based on what I gathered from the Schedules Thread. Corrections/additions are always welcome:

2020-2021 WCHA Non-Conference Schedule
-3 AHA Games 0-0-0
-6-8 Big10 Games 0-0-0
-9 ECAC Games 0-0-0
-7 Hockey East Games 0-0-0
-16-17 NCHC Games 0-0-0
-6 Independent Games 0-0-0
-0-1 Interleague games (not included in WCHA non-conference record)
-1 Exhibitions (not included in WCHA or team record)
TOTAL: 0-0-0 0.000 (49 possible games)

ALABAMA-HUNTSVILLE (0-0-0)
-Mass-Lowell (2) 10/9-10/10
-Nebraska-Omaha (2) 10/16-10/17


ALASKA (0-0-0)
-at Nebraska-Omaha (2) 10/9-10/10
-at Minnesota-Duluth (2) 11/27-11/28
-at Arizona State (2) TBD


ALASKA-ANCHORAGE (0-0-0)
-at Clarkson (2) TBD
-at Denver (2) 1/1-1/2
-Arizona State (2) TBD


BEMIDJI STATE (0-0-0)
-North Dakota 10/9
-at North Dakota 10/10
-St. Cloud State 11/20
-at St. Cloud State 11/21
-at Mass-Lowell or Merrimack 11/27
-at Mass-Lowell or Merrimack 11/28
-Minnesota-Duluth 1/1
-at Minnesota Duluth 1/2

BOWLING GREEN (0-0-0)
-RIT 1/2


FERRIS STATE (0-0-0)
-Miami (2) TBD
-at Colgate TBD

LAKE SUPERIOR STATE (0-0-0)
-at Union (2) TBD
-Notre Dame TBD


MICHIGAN TECH (0-0-0)
-Michigan (2) TBD
-at Clarkson (2) TBD
-Notre Dame TBD
-US National Developmental Program (EXH) TBD
-Robert Morris (2) TBD ??
-Great Lakes Invitational vs Michigan State (Detroit, MI)
-Great Lakes Invitational vs Michigan/Northern Michigan (Detroit, MI)


MINNESOTA STATE (0-0-0)
-vs Providence (Duluth, MN) 10/9
-vs Minnesota/Minnesota-Duluth (Duluth, MN) 10/10
-at St. Cloud State (2) 10/16-10/17
-Minnesota Duluth (2) 10/30-10/31
-at Arizona State (2) TBD


NORTHERN MICHIGAN (0-0-0)
-Colgate (2) TBD
-Boston University (2) TBD
-Great Lakes Invitational vs Michigan (Detroit, MI)
-Great Lakes Invitational vs Michigan State/Michigan Tech (Detroit, MI)
 
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MTUHuskies said:
I think the Skunkhead series is two in Houghton. I doubt they'd play a 500+ mile home/home series.

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I was thinking the same thing. But then I thought that maybe they will play one Friday or Saturday in the UP and then another Friday or Saturday in AA.

I will make the change and we will see what happens.
 
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I don't know if MTU is playing RMU this year, I thought it was 2021-22. I have them hosting Notre Dame for a single game on a ND/USNDPT weekend.
 
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beaverhockeyfan said:
I was thinking the same thing. But then I thought that maybe they will play one Friday or Saturday in the UP and then another Friday or Saturday in AA.
I will make the change and we will see what happens.
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Both games again Merv's skunk team are in Houghton, second week of October as the kick-off to Michigan Tech's 100th anniversary season.
(Assuming we're actually playing hockey by then, which is looking more doubtful by the day.)
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
I don't know if MTU is playing RMU this year, I thought it was 2021-22. I have them hosting Notre Dame for a single game on a ND/USNDPT weekend.
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Yeah, I saw that. I went with what was on the spreadsheet in the Schedules thread.
 
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beaverhockeyfan said:
Yeah, I saw that. I went with what was on the spreadsheet in the Schedules thread.
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Just want to clarify the OOC tab formatting - green color teams have been confirmed and the black color teams are based on returning the visit / guess / rumored.

With that said - yes it's possible RMU - MTU is 21/22 instead of 20/21 so that's why it's in black and it was a guess on my end by owing a visit.
 
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Liveatjrl said:
Just want to clarify the OOC tab formatting - green color teams have been confirmed and the black color teams are based on returning the visit / guess / rumored.

With that said - yes it's possible RMU - MTU is 21/22 instead of 20/21 so that's why it's in black and it was a guess on my end by owing a visit.
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Thanks Liveatjrl!
 
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The LSSU/Notre Dame game will be on Thanksgiving week. The Fighting Irish were supposed to play a single game at NMU that same weekend but I guess the Wildcats backed out.
 
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LSSULaker889294 said:
The LSSU/Notre Dame game will be on Thanksgiving week. The Fighting Irish were supposed to play a single game at NMU that same weekend but I guess the Wildcats backed out.
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Would it be possible that Notre Dame would play Lake State and Michigan Tech in the same weekend? I have a hard time seeing the Irish making two trips to the UP for one game in each trip.

UPDATED 04/15/20

So, here is a VERY PRELIMINARY non-conference schedule for the WCHA based on what I gathered from the USCHO Schedules Thread and other threads on USCHO. Corrections/additions are always welcome:

2020-2021 WCHA Non-Conference Schedule
-7 AHA Games 0-0-0
-8-10 Big10 Games 0-0-0
-8 ECAC Games 0-0-0
-7 Hockey East Games 0-0-0
-16-17 NCHC Games 0-0-0
-6 Independent Games 0-0-0
-0-1 Interleague games (not included in WCHA non-conference record)
-1 Exhibitions (not included in WCHA or team record)
TOTAL: 0-0-0 0.000 (54 possible games)

ALABAMA-HUNTSVILLE (0-0-0)
-Mass-Lowell (2) 10/9-10/10
-Nebraska-Omaha (2) 10/16-10/17


ALASKA (0-0-0)
-at Nebraska-Omaha (2) 10/9-10/10
-at Minnesota-Duluth (2) 11/27-11/28
-at Arizona State (2) TBD

ALASKA-ANCHORAGE (0-0-0)
-at Clarkson (2) TBD
-at Denver (2) 1/1-1/2
-Arizona State (2) TBD ??

BEMIDJI STATE (0-0-0)
-North Dakota 10/9
-at North Dakota 10/10
-St. Cloud State 11/20
-at St. Cloud State 11/21
-at Mass-Lowell or Merrimack 11/27
-at Mass-Lowell or Merrimack 11/28
-Minnesota-Duluth 1/1
-at Minnesota Duluth 1/2

BOWLING GREEN (0-0-0)
-RIT 01/02
-at RIT TBD

FERRIS STATE (0-0-0)
-Michigan State TBD
-at Michigan State TBD
-Western Michigan TBD
-at Western Michigan TBD
-Canisius (2) TBD
-at Robert Morris TBD
-Robert Morris TBD

LAKE SUPERIOR STATE (0-0-0)
-at Union (2) TBD
-Notre Dame TBD

MICHIGAN TECH (0-0-0)
-Michigan (2) TBD
-at Clarkson (2) TBD
-Notre Dame TBD
-US National Development Program (EXH) TBD
-Robert Morris (2) TBD ??
-Great Lakes Invitational vs Michigan State (Detroit, MI)
-Great Lakes Invitational vs Michigan/Northern Michigan (Detroit, MI)

MINNESOTA STATE (0-0-0)
-vs Providence (Duluth, MN) 10/9
-vs Minnesota/Minnesota-Duluth (Duluth, MN) 10/10
-at St. Cloud State (2) 10/16-10/17
-Minnesota Duluth (2) 10/30-10/31
-at Arizona State (2) TBD ??

NORTHERN MICHIGAN (0-0-0)
-Colgate (2) TBD
-Boston University (2) TBD
-Great Lakes Invitational vs Michigan (Detroit, MI)
-Great Lakes Invitational vs Michigan State/Michigan Tech (Detroit, MI)
 
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I know it says on the schedule thread that Kato is supposed to play ASU this year in Tempe, but I'm not sure that's the case. The person who started that thread listed some series where a team "owed" another team a trip, and that's why we were listed there, since ASU came to Kato this season.
But the ASU trip here may have been in return for our playing in the Desert Classic the previous year. Anyone have any better info on this?
 
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purpleinnebraska said:
I know it says on the schedule thread that Kato is supposed to play ASU this year in Tempe, but I'm not sure that's the case. The person who started that thread listed some series where a team "owed" another team a trip, and that's why we were listed there, since ASU came to Kato this season.
But the ASU trip here may have been in return for our playing in the Desert Classic the previous year. Anyone have any better info on this?
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From the Schedules Thread: "Updated spreadsheet to date. Please note that in the OOC tab, Column B - teams colored green are confirmed and teams colored in black is a guess based on owing a visit or rumored."

I have noted these games with "??" behind them, so they may not be taking place this year, or ever. I just had some time on my hands with work the other day and thought I would get a start on the schedule.
 
purpleinnebraska said:
I know it says on the schedule thread that Kato is supposed to play ASU this year in Tempe, but I'm not sure that's the case. The person who started that thread listed some series where a team "owed" another team a trip, and that's why we were listed there, since ASU came to Kato this season.
But the ASU trip here may have been in return for our playing in the Desert Classic the previous year. Anyone have any better info on this?
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This is my understanding as well.

I have not heard the Mavs are headed to ASU, and I don’t believe that is the case.

Could be wrong, but I’d be surprised.
 
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