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WCHA 2020-21: We Can Do Better than Two Bids and Eight Teams Exiting

pdt1081 said:
"Winning percentage" has to be one of the stupidest metrics in this system. Head-to-head... would quickly and easily settle most tie-breakers. Makes winning in regulation even more important... I can't say I've heard the "winning percentage" as a tie breaker before this year.
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Agreed. Why it is popping up so much this year is that normally tie breaker "A" (most points in head to head games) would settle most ties, but "A" stipulates that the teams in question must all have four conference games against each other. This year's reduced schedule of only two conference games between opponents takes "A" out of the equation for 2020-21.
 
JohnsonsJerseys said:
Well it is March 1st [2020] and two teams, the Alabama Huntsville Chargers and the Ferris State Bulldogs, are already making their tee times and putting together their plans for the 2020-21 season. Here are some story lines we will be watching this season:
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Just looking back to the start of this thread just over a year ago, some of the answers are now becoming clearer and the title of this thread coming true seems like a very real possibility.
  • Will UAF, UAA or UAH win the MacNaughton Cup (regular season champion) and hold it ransom for a spot in the CCHA? NO
  • Will UAF, UAA or UAH win the Super Sticky Sauer Syrup Cup (playoff champion) and hold it ransom for a spot in the CCHA? WITH UAH, ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE.
  • Will all 10 teams leave the WCHA to join the CCHA and then wonder what the heck just happened? SIGNS POINT TO NO.
  • Will the two Alaska schools secure the two top seeds for the playoffs and hold the entire conference hostage in Alaska for three weeks? NO
  • Will the 70th Anniversary of the WCHA actually be celebrated by the league? YES, BUT ONLY VIA SOCIAL MEDIA.
  • Will the departing teams find a web developer who can take them into the 21st Century? YES
  • Is the universe finite or infinite? (Geof, can you take this one?) Time is up. We need your answer Geof.
  • How many licks does it take to get to the center of a Tootsie Roll Pop? So far the average count after 97 trials is 763 licks, but more data is needed, especially with the grape flavor.
 
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The tie-breakers have changed for this year...and the league's standing page does NOT indicate this. Tiebreaker A is head-to-head...even though all teams played just twice.

So, in the "old" tiebreakers, there were several that only applied if teams played four times. That is NOT the case this year. Just delete the 4 games requirement from the old tiebreakers, and that's the "new" tiebreaker for this year.
 
UPDATED THROUGH 3/6/21 (w/ corrected tie breakers) [TABLE="border: 1, cellpadding: 1, width: 500"]
[TR]
[TD]TEAM[/TD]
[TD]POSSIBLE SEEDING[/TD]
[TD]POSSIBLE PTS[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]MSU[/TD]
[TD]#1 LOCKED[/TD]
[TD]39 pts[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]LSSU[/TD]
[TD]#2 LOCKED[/TD]
[TD]27 pts **[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]BGSU[/TD]
[TD]#3 LOCKED[/TD]
[TD]27 pts[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]BSU[/TD]
[TD]#4 LOCKED[/TD]
[TD]21-24 pts[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]MTU[/TD]
[TD]#5 LOCKED[/TD]
[TD]20 *[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]NMU[/TD]
[TD]#6 LOCKED[/TD]
[TD]20 pts[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]UAH[/TD]
[TD]#7 LOCKED[/TD]
[TD]08-11 pts[/TD]
[/TR]
[TR]
[TD]FERRIS[/TD]
[TD]#8 LOCKED[/TD]
[TD]03 pts[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]
FIRST ROUND MATCH-UPS
FERRIS at MANKATO
UAH at LSSU
NMU at BGSU
MTU at BSU

NOTE: For 2020-21 season, all tie breakers are valid w/ only two head to head games played.
* MTU holds tie breaker "A" (head to head points) over NMU
** LSSU holds tie breaker "A" (head to head points) over BGSU
 
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Well it didn't take the very last game of the regular season to lock in all the seeds, but it did go all the way to the second to last game of the season. Playoffs are set for next weekend.
 
I'm going to get on my soapbox now. LSSU deserves second place. they are a very good team and they have gotten steadily better as the year has gone by. It's not a mistake they are in second. They have great goaltending, imho the best goalie in the league, and they have scorers as well. I've seen where people are saying they are not deserving of a bid.
I totally disagree with that. they may not be flashy but they definitely deserve a lot more respect than they are getting. That sweep at BG was not a fluke.
 
Chris Dilks needs a chill pill. He has taken every opportunity to make Joe S look bad and says things to make Tech look bad whenever he can. It's almost a joke now.
 
manurespreader said:
Chris Dilks needs a chill pill. He has taken every opportunity to make Joe S look bad and says things to make Tech look bad whenever he can. It's almost a joke now.
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To be fair, Joe has seized multiple opportunities to make himself, and the STEM research school he represents, look bad since stepping up to the top job. He knows the game well, but there have been times where his unpolished style is clearly 30 years out of date. When he has occasionally popped off on topics not related to hockey his opinions are often ill-informed and clearly lean on a steady diet of Sunday church sermons and the Fox News prime time lineup. Plain and simple, the man is a Yooper.
 
FadeToBlack&Gold said:
To be fair, Joe has seized multiple opportunities to make himself, and the STEM research school he represents, look bad since stepping up to the top job. He knows the game well, but there have been times where his unpolished style is clearly 30 years out of date. When he has occasionally popped off on topics not related to hockey his opinions are often ill-informed and clearly lean on a steady diet of Sunday church sermons and the Fox News prime time lineup. Plain and simple, the man is a Yooper.
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He has never claimed to be anything but a Yooper.
 
FadeToBlack&Gold said:
To be fair, Joe has seized multiple opportunities to make himself, and the STEM research school he represents, look bad since stepping up to the top job. He knows the game well, but there have been times where his unpolished style is clearly 30 years out of date. When he has occasionally popped off on topics not related to hockey his opinions are often ill-informed and clearly lean on a steady diet of Sunday church sermons and the Fox News prime time lineup. Plain and simple, the man is a Yooper.
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Totally agree. He needs to polish things up substantially. It was a risk hiring him and hopefully, he can fulfill his promise. And to LH's point. When you represent a national level school and are essentially the face of that school to the rest of the world, you have a lot more responsibility and a much bigger microscope on you than just being the assistant somewhere.
Having said that Dilks is over the line on his comments.
 
manurespreader said:
Totally agree. He needs to polish things up substantially. It was a risk hiring him and hopefully, he can fulfill his promise. And to LH's point. When you represent a national level school and are essentially the face of that school to the rest of the world, you have a lot more responsibility and a much bigger microscope on you than just being the assistant somewhere.
Having said that Dilks is over the line on his comments.
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I was being snarky and stating the obvious.

This is just me, but I don't see Tech or any college hockey team as a "national" level team. This isn't a Tech problem, it is a hockey problem. Where it is popular, it is popular, but the majority of America couldn't care less.

With that said, yes, Joe does need to represent Tech and Tech hockey better. His behavior is not becoming of Tech or a head coach of a D1 program.
 
As we head into the WCHA tourney, there's no consensus among Bowling Green, Bemidji, and Lake State as to who is the best WCHA team after Minnesota State.

Humans
USCHO: BGSU #13, BSU #15, LSSU #18
USA: BGSU #13, LSSU #16, BSU #17
CHN: BSU #13. No BGSU or LSSU.
Buccigross: BGSU #13, LSSU #15. No BSU.
Everything College Hockey: #15 BGSU, #16 LSSU, #19 BSU

Computers
PWR: #4 BGSU, #10 BSU, #12 LSSU
Krach: #3 BSU, #5 LSSU, #7 BGSU
RPI: #4 BGSU, #10 BSU, #12 LSSU
 
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Unless Ferris wins a game this weekend, they will become the first D-1 school to not win a single game in a season since Brown went 0-20 in 1960-61.

(The Bemidji shootout win counts as a tie, and the Trine win was an exhibition against a D-3 school)

The last (and only) team from the West to go winless since the NCAA started sponsoring hockey was Michigan State, who went 0-14 in 1949-50.
 
John J. MacInnes said:
Unless Ferris wins a game this weekend, they will become the first D-1 school to not win a single game in a season since Brown went 0-20 in 1960-61.

(The Bemidji shootout win counts as a tie, and the Trine win was an exhibition against a D-3 school)

The last (and only) team from the West to go winless since the NCAA started sponsoring hockey was Michigan State, who went 0-14 in 1949-50.
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The victory over Trine is officially an NCAA win. There's no such thing as an exhibition contest between two NCAA schools. That's the reason you only see exhibition games scheduled against Canadian schools and the U18 team.
 
Anyone know the hockey budgets for the WCHA teams and where they rank? I heard Minnesota State has the highest and Lake State has the lowest. True?
 
pdt1081 said:
The victory over Trine is officially an NCAA win. There's no such thing as an exhibition contest between two NCAA schools. That's the reason you only see exhibition games scheduled against Canadian schools and the U18 team.
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Sorry but that's wrong.

According to the NCAA, Ferris does not have a winning percentage. If they were credited with a win, they would show up on the bottom of this list at .055. Since they don't have a win their win % is 0, and they do not appear.

https://www.ncaa.com/stats/icehockey...rrent/team/181
 
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John J. MacInnes said:
Sorry but that's wrong.

According to the NCAA, Ferris does not have a winning percentage. If they were credited with a win, they would show up on the bottom of this list at .055. Since they don't have a win their win % is 0, and they do not appear.

https://www.ncaa.com/stats/icehockey...rrent/team/181
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They actually do appear on the list, but as they rank #51 of 51 they are by themselves on page two at 0.079 win percentage. I have no idea where that percentage comes from as that is like one win in 13 games and Ferris shows as 1-17-1 on that webpage. There is a footnote on the page that it includes games through 2-18-21 so maybe the win percentage is through 2-18-21? Ferris is currently 1-20-1 which would be 0.0455 win percentage by my calculator and is very likely to finish the season at 1-22-1 (0.0417).

After seeing FSU this season, Tech fans are feeling much better about our three consecutive seasons 2008-11 when the Huskies won 6, 5 and 4 games respectively. They seem like world beaters by comparison.
 
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John J. MacInnes said:
Sorry but that's wrong.

According to the NCAA, Ferris does not have a winning percentage. If they were credited with a win, they would show up on the bottom of this list at .055. Since they don't have a win their win % is 0, and they do not appear.

https://www.ncaa.com/stats/icehockey...rrent/team/181
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Like noted, there is a page 2. Also notice the columns are labeled "Goalie Won," "Goalie Loss," "Goalie Tied." The NCAA now recognizes 3-on-3 overtime. Shootouts still are not recognized.

If games against D3 teams could be exhibitions, Bowling Green would have played Adrian every year since Fogarty started that program. There would be no reason to bring in a Canadian team every year.
 
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