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WCHA 2019-20 season: We Can Do Better Than Two Bids and a First Round Exit

Re: WCHA 2019-20 season: We Can Do Better Than Two Bids and a First Round Exit

MTUHuskies said:
I don't like to see teams get pushed out and left dying on the vine (John MacInnes' ghost won't sleep well) but I don't see the Severed Seven taking in UA* without major changes. It would blow up their whole idea of blowing up the WCHA to get away from those three.

Unless, of course, it was their intention all along to push UA* to give their teams the resources and support necessary to compete at a level above 45-60 in the NCAA. And also the opportunity to get away from the current WCHA administration.

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With the news that Arizona State breaking ground on their arena soon, I have a feeling the Separating Seven will be gunning for them, but if AS joins up with the NCHC, B1G, whatever, then I think we see the Seven grab either an Alaska school or Alabama to come up with an 8 team league.
 
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Deman said:
With the news that Arizona State breaking ground on their arena soon, I have a feeling the Separating Seven will be gunning for them, but if AS joins up with the NCHC, B1G, whatever, then I think we see the Seven grab either an Alaska school or Alabama to come up with an 8 team league.
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There is still St. Thomas floating out there. MnSU and BSU would be more than happy to get another in-state team to play. The Mag 7 league would be more than happy to get a foothold in the Twin Cities and have a team with their geographic footprint.
 
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Lost_Husky said:
There is still St. Thomas floating out there. MnSU and BSU would be more than happy to get another in-state team to play. The Mag 7 league would be more than happy to get a foothold in the Twin Cities and have a team with their geographic footprint.
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St. Thomas makes the most sense, which is why the NCAA probably won't let them go directly to DI.

Any recent news on that? I thought they were supposed meet in January?

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Re: WCHA 2019-20 season: We Can Do Better Than Two Bids and a First Round Exit

MTUHuskies said:
St. Thomas makes the most sense, which is why the NCAA probably won't let them go directly to DI.

Any recent news on that? I thought they were supposed meet in January?

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that has no bearing on Hockey because NCAA doesn't offer a D2 hockey championship.
I also think the WCHA will be completely happy to start with 7...balanced 24 game schedule and 8+ NC opportunities.
 
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Shirtless Guy said:
that has no bearing on Hockey because NCAA doesn't offer a D2 hockey championship.
I also think the WCHA will be completely happy to start with 7...balanced 24 game schedule and 8+ NC opportunities.
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I've said all along that a 7-team league would be a good thing for the reasons you mentioned. Tje opposition that was brought up when I floated the idea in the past is that if you lose a couple teams, you lose the autobid.

As for St Thomas, I was under the impression that the NCAA requires a 12-year process to move a school from DIII to DI. Their DIII hockey team was not grandfathered in like the current DII & DIII teams playing DI. If St. Thomas wants to play DI hockey, they must take all teams up to DI.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

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MTUHuskies said:
I've said all along that a 7-team league would be a good thing for the reasons you mentioned. Tje opposition that was brought up when I floated the idea in the past is that if you lose a couple teams, you lose the autobid.

As for St Thomas, I was under the impression that the NCAA requires a 12-year process to move a school from DIII to DI. Their DIII hockey team was not grandfathered in like the current DII & DIII teams playing DI. If St. Thomas wants to play DI hockey, they must take all teams up to DI.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

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They (St Thomas) are in the process of moving all teams to DI. Their football program has an invite from the Summit League.
 
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Lost_Husky said:
They (St Thomas) are in the process of moving all teams to DI. Their football program has an invite from the Summit League.
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But their process includes an unprecedented waiver from the NCAA to bypass the 12-year process. The NCAA is supposed to be addressing the case soon (I thought it was scheduled for January) but, if I recall, a decision is not expected until later in the spring.

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Shirtless Guy said:
that has no bearing on Hockey because NCAA doesn't offer a D2 hockey championship.
I also think the WCHA will be completely happy to start with 7...balanced 24 game schedule and 8+ NC opportunities.
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Side note. I occasionally think of what names the new league might use, and I keep swinging around to playing off the NCHC with the American College Hockey Conference.

But then we'd need to only use six skaters at a time with no goalies... (like a DH in the AL vs NL :D)
 
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aparch said:
Side note. I occasionally think of what names the new league might use, and I keep swinging around to playing off the NCHC with the American College Hockey Conference.

But then we'd need to only use six skaters at a time with no goalies... (like a DH in the AL vs NL :D)
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Let's bring back College Hockey America!

St. Thomas' whole basis for the NCAA waiver is that they were voted out of their D-III league, they are not making this move on their own free will. As far as I know, this has never happened before, so the NCAA has no precedent. And, as mentioned earlier, even if the Tommies have to make a stop at D-II, since there is no D-II hockey tournament, they could declare their intentions to play for the D-I hockey title.
 
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Deman said:
With the news that Arizona State breaking ground on their arena soon, I have a feeling the Separating Seven will be gunning for them, but if AS joins up with the NCHC, B1G, whatever, then I think we see the Seven grab either an Alaska school or Alabama to come up with an 8 team league.
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I didn't know that Tuscaloosa went D-I.

GFM
 
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The last article I read, which I can't find now, implied that the NCAA was no longer considering a waiver, and rather wanted to create an actual blueprint for all DIII programs which want to transition immediately to DI. The next meeting is April, iirc.

Edit - found it http://m.startribune.com/commission...-optimistic-after-key-ncaa-meeting/567271842/

Key quote: "Rather than granting an exception for St. Thomas, the NCAA is considering a process that would allow any qualified school to make the jump from D-III to D-I. Any rule change must be approved by the NCAA’s Division I Council, which meets April 23-24."
 
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All the math gurus out there can check my numbers to see if I did this correctly as I did this fast on my lunch break.....

Team, GP, Points, Possible Points, Possible Finish

Mankato 20 GP, 51, 75, 1-6
Bemidji 20 GP, 45, 69, 1-7
Northern 18 GP, 38, 68, 1-9
Alaska 22 GP, 35, 53, 1-10
Tech 20 GP, 29, 53, 1-10
BGSU 18 GP, 28, 58, 1-10
Lake St 20 GP, 24, 48, 2-10
UAA 20 GP, 19, 43, 3-10
Ferris 20 GP, 17, 41, 3-10
Huntsville 18 GP, 8, 38, 4-10
 
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Didn't predict UAH beating Tech last night.

Join the club. There's beer in the fridge.
 
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The last four weeks are upon us!

Team, GP, Points, Possible Points, Possible Finish

Mankato 22 GP, 56, 74, 1-3 (home ice in first round)
Bemidji 22 GP, 51, 69, 1-5 (playoff berth)
Northern 20 GP, 44, 68, 1-8 (playoff berth)
Alaska 22 GP, 35, 53, 2-9
Tech 22 GP, 32, 50, 3-10
BGSU 20 GP, 28, 52, 2-10
Lake 20 GP, 24, 48, 3-10
UAA 20 GP, 22, 46, 3-10
Ferris 22 GP, 17, 35, 4-10
UAH 20 GP, 11, 34, 5-10

Remaining Schedules

Mankato: Northern, Bye, UAH, at BSU
BSU: Bye, at Northern, at UAA, Mankato
Northern: at Mankato, BSU, at Lake, home and home with Tech
Alaska: at UAH, Bowling Green, Bye, UAA
Tech: Lake, at Ferris, Bye, home and home with Northern
Bowling Green: UAA, at Alaska, Ferris, at UAH
Lake: at Tech, UAH, Northern, at Ferris
UAA: at Bowling Green, at Arizona State (non-conference), BSU, at Alaska
Ferris: Bye, Tech, at Bowling Green, Lake
UAH: Alaska, at Lake, at Mankato, Bowling Green
 
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beaverhockeyfan said:
The last four weeks are upon us!

Team, GP, Points, Possible Points, Possible Finish

Mankato 22 GP, 56, 74, 1-3 (home ice in first round)
Bemidji 22 GP, 51, 69, 1-7 (playoff berth)
Northern 20 GP, 44, 68, 1-9
Alaska 22 GP, 35, 53, 2-9
Tech 22 GP, 32, 50, 3-10
BGSU 20 GP, 28, 52, 2-10
Lake 20 GP, 24, 48, 3-10
UAA 20 GP, 22, 46, 3-10
Ferris 22 GP, 17, 35, 4-10
UAH 20 GP, 11, 34, 5-10

Remaining Schedules

Mankato: Northern, Bye, UAH, at BSU
BSU: Bye, at Northern, at UAA, Mankato
Northern: at Mankato, BSU, at Lake, home and home with Tech
Alaska: at UAH, Bowling Green, Bye, UAA
Tech: Lake, at Ferris, Bye, home and home with Northern
Bowling Green: UAA, at Alaska, Ferris, at UAH
Lake: at Tech, UAH, Northern, at Ferris
UAA: at Bowling Green, at Arizona State (non-conference), BSU, at Alaska
Ferris: Bye, Tech, at Bowling Green, Lake
UAH: Alaska, at Lake, at Mankato, Bowling Green
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Good recap! But I don't see how Bemidji can finish below 5th.
 
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purpleinnebraska said:
Good recap! But I don't see how Bemidji can finish below 5th.
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That's what I get for going too fast..... I saw that BG has a chance to overtake them, but did not account for the fact that Tech cannot.

Original post is edited, thanks!
 
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I remember when I used to do those ... sigh.

GFM
 
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