Walter Palmer

[walrus]

Re: Walter Palmer

Don't know about this stuff. But the money to fly his staff around the world either comes from his patients directly or from us in terms of higher insurance costs. That's not an act of 'good'.

It looks like Walter was also charged with harassment charges (not too surprising) to the extent where he settled for $127k.

His patients give him the money or he takes his profits to fly the staff to 3rd world countries. Do they pay him/them for their time also?

 

[Rover]

Re: Walter Palmer

If this is a porn related discussion, someone go give mookie a heads up!

I don't care if this guy helps old ladies cross the street. He had no trouble publicizing his Rambo-wannabe exploits earlier, so don't whine about public scorn now.

 

[Bob Gray]

Re: Walter Palmer

This response is actually exemplary of what I was trying to get at. The badness of the crime loops back to shout down the possibility that people are actually not committing the crime they are accused of. The point is not wanting to avoid having a sex offender as a neighbor -- we all agree on that. It's that the guy with the Tracy Lords movie (wasn't she in "Weird Science"? I am confused...) shouldn't be in the same bucket as the guy with the pre-teen photo album. Those are way, way different things, but because of the sensationalism of the charge, they all get lumped together.

I'm talking about cases where large numbers of pictures of small children are found on computers and such. In such cases there is ample evidence of a most compelling nature. I've never heard of all these people getting in all sorts of trouble for downloading a picture of a 17 year old or something like that. I don't think they get lumped together, at least that's not what I've observed. Not that a 60 year old guy with a fixation on under 18 year old teenage girls is remotely healthy or ok. But, hey, underage is underage and anyone doing that kind of stuff should expect to get in trouble.

 

[St. Clown]

Re: Walter Palmer

Don't know about this stuff. But the money to fly his staff around the world either comes from his patients directly or from us in terms of higher insurance costs. That's not an act of 'good'.

It looks like Walter was also charged with harassment charges (not too surprising) to the extent where he settled for $127k.

Insurance companies have agreements in place to only cover up to a certain amount on any given procedures and patients agree to the fee level before he and his office work on them. Does he tell his patients about his charitable work abroad? If so, and they're willing to shell out the cash, then there's no harm to the customers and it may make them feel better to know they're contributing to a charitable cause.

 

[5mn_Major]

Re: Walter Palmer

His patients give him the money or he takes his profits to fly the staff to 3rd world countries. Do they pay him/them for their time also?

Hypothetically Walter could charge $5,000 or $20,000 for the same service. Some markets have extreme distortion...dental surgery is one due to the way insurance is treated. Very, very few companies have the kind of profit margins we're talking about here. In the end, if he can get away with overcharging...have at it. We have a capitalist economy and its not against the law. But don't twist overcharging your clients into some extreme form of generosity. From what it appears here, he's just blowing a bunch of dough while having fun with his mates.

Insurance companies have agreements in place to only cover up to a certain amount on any given procedures and patients agree to the fee level before he and his office work on them. Does he tell his patients about his charitable work abroad? If so, and they're willing to shell out the cash, then there's no harm to the customers and it may make them feel better to know they're contributing to a charitable cause.

Yes, I know. A family member has been in both an extremely similar field and has worked with insurance in said field. That's how I know about the margins he's working with.

I agree with your second point. Yet we have no hard evidence that he did in fact do any charity work.

 

[SJHovey]

Re: Walter Palmer

Doesn't seem like Palmer is alone. http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/...-biggest-importer-of-trophy-lions-like-cecil/

 

[Gurtholfin]

Re: Walter Palmer

Doesn't seem like Palmer is alone. http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/...-biggest-importer-of-trophy-lions-like-cecil/

No surprise that there are a lot of dooshbags here in the U.S. with too much time (and money) on their hands and small dicks.

It's not a lot different than the game farms that are around.


I have no respect for any of it - not that they care what I think.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Walter Palmer

I'm talking about cases where large numbers of pictures of small children are found on computers and such. In such cases there is ample evidence of a most compelling nature. I've never heard of all these people getting in all sorts of trouble for downloading a picture of a 17 year old or something like that. I don't think they get lumped together, at least that's not what I've observed. Not that a 60 year old guy with a fixation on under 18 year old teenage girls is remotely healthy or ok. But, hey, underage is underage and anyone doing that kind of stuff should expect to get in trouble.

Underage is underage and anybody who is knowingly breaking a law knows they are running a risk, even if the law is something inane like pot possession. Hence, the person who get busted for a laptop full of 12 year olds did the crime and has to do the time.

Let's hypothesize a 24 year old with a laptop full of pictures of what turn out to be 17 year olds. That's probably perfectly legal in some countries (oh, Holland...), whereas in other countries possession of porn of any type is probably illegal (I don't want to think of what Saudi Arabia does to gays or women who have porn -- yikes!).

There is some point at which the user can't tell something is illegal by looking at it, and at that point the illegality itself starts to be a little suspect, but that's a whole different topic for civil libertarians, of which I am not the best example on this forum.

 

[ExileOnDaytonStreet]

Don't know about this stuff. But the money to fly his staff around the world either comes from his patients directly or from us in terms of higher insurance costs. That's not an act of 'good'.

I get the impulse to decry everything the man's done, but let's not go overboard. True service involves donating your time and services as much as it does (if not more so than) your money.

Regardless of how it's funded, providing free dental care to the poor in the third world is a good thing to do. It's just a shame that it comes from a man who also hunts easily-lured endangered species while he's out there.

 

[walrus]

Re: Walter Palmer

I get the impulse to decry everything the man's done, but let's not go overboard. True service involves donating your time and services as much as it does (if not more so than) your money.

Regardless of how it's funded, providing free dental care to the poor in the third world is a good thing to do. It's just a shame that it comes from a man who also hunts easily-lured endangered species while he's out there.

I can see thinking he is a dink for what happened in Zimbabwe but whining about his charitable work?? Doesn't make sense if indeed he has done charitable work abroad.

Now it appears US officials want him or his reps to come in for a chat. Zimbabwe wants to extradite him and start court proceedings against him

 

[burd]

Re: Walter Palmer

I find it impossible to understand what the guy finds rewarding about shooting lions in this manner, and the idea that he or anyone else would display the head of an animal in his mancave which he shot in a target-range manner is baffling, sad and, in my opinion, just plain ignorant. But that is a completely different discussion from saying he should be crucified for it. Gurth is exactly right about consequences, but this guy and his family are experiencing a nightmare right now, and if he has done good works in the past that show a different side of his character, I'm glad people are hearing about it.

 

[goldy_331]

Re: Walter Palmer

Don't know about this stuff. But the money to fly his staff around the world either comes from his patients directly or from us in terms of higher insurance costs. That's not an act of 'good'.

As does the money from virtually every rich person who gives any away, so none of it is an act of 'good.'

Can't argue with that kind of 'logic.'

 

[LynahFan]

As does the money from virtually every rich person who gives any away, so none of it is an act of 'good.'

Can't argue with that kind of 'logic.'

Logic is not his strong suit.

 

[St. Clown]

Re: Walter Palmer

As does the money from virtually every rich person who gives any away, so none of it is an act of 'good.'

Can't argue with that kind of 'logic.'

They're supposed to buy Ferraris and Rolls Royces instead. That way we can look upon them with complete and utter disdain and not have that niggling feeling in the backs of our minds that there might actually be something else going on with those rich people.

 

[Bob Gray]

Re: Walter Palmer

Underage is underage and anybody who is knowingly breaking a law knows they are running a risk, even if the law is something inane like pot possession. Hence, the person who get busted for a laptop full of 12 year olds did the crime and has to do the time.

Let's hypothesize a 24 year old with a laptop full of pictures of what turn out to be 17 year olds. That's probably perfectly legal in some countries (oh, Holland...), whereas in other countries possession of porn of any type is probably illegal (I don't want to think of what Saudi Arabia does to gays or women who have porn -- yikes!).

There is some point at which the user can't tell something is illegal by looking at it, and at that point the illegality itself starts to be a little suspect, but that's a whole different topic for civil libertarians, of which I am not the best example on this forum.

Certainly when someone is 17 they don't look different than some 18 or 19 year olds, but common sense tells you to not have stuff that might be of underage children. There are girls that are 12 or 13 that look as mature as some 18 year olds (I've read stories about how hard it is growing up in this country to be one of these girls, with older men taking on a regular basis taking an interest in what is actually a much younger girl, etc.). The burden is on those who take the time to compile such things to make sure they aren't crossing the boundary. If you're not sure, err on the side of not doing it. If you choose to not err on the side of not doing it, then you've made a choice to possibly be breaking the law and should accept the consequences of doing so. The interest in protecting underage people is in my book greater than the interest in protecting people who choose to collect images of younger people who they may not know the age of. But, hey, I guess that's just another of my quaint notions that don't fit in today's wanton society.

 

[5mn_Major]

Re: Walter Palmer

As does the money from virtually every rich person who gives any away, so none of it is an act of 'good.'

Can't argue with that kind of 'logic.'

You so missed the point. Totally. Who said charity is 'bad'? He inferred the guy was a 'good guy'. And nobody... not even this poster...said he was flying to Africa and providing free dental work.

Blowing money on flying your staff around the world from overcharging your clients is not 'good'.

Logic is not his strong suit.

Did you read that your atheist version of the Constitution?

Based on what evidence we have - Palmer lured and killed animals for trophies, guilty of sexual harassment settling for over a $100k and is a noted felon. You might not...but the US public strongly considers trophy hunting unethical: Beekeeper group on behalf of the IFAW in 2014 found that 82% of Americans surveyed support banning lion trophies, and 83% support banning elephant trophies.

Sorry but this guy is not a hero.

 

[goldy_331]

Re: Walter Palmer

You so missed the point. Totally. Who said charity is 'bad'? He inferred the guy was a 'good guy'. And nobody... not even this poster...said he was flying to Africa and providing free dental work.

Blowing money on flying your staff around the world from overcharging your clients is not 'good'.

I know of this person. I can't speak to his character and I'm not defending him or his actions. What I do know? Annually he take his entire staff to a third world country and helps people in dire need of dental attention. All on his dime.

Where is the evidence that he "flew his staff", or that he overcharged anyone? Who inferred he was a good guy? Where do you come up with the * you post?

 

[Kepler]

Re: Walter Palmer

I don't even understand this fight. Is this a Minny thing?

 

[goldy_331]

Re: Walter Palmer

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/03/18/opinion/saving-lions-by-killing-them.html?_r=0

 

[St. Clown]

Re: Walter Palmer

I don't even understand this fight. Is this a Minny thing?

No, not a Minny thing. I think we're all confused as to why 5mM was condemning this guy also allegedly taking his staff overseas to provide free dental work to the needy, and how he makes that money by way of profits.