I'm a life long hunter but find it hard to defend this guy.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/29/world/cecil-lion-walter-palmer-social-reaction/index.html
http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/29/world/cecil-lion-walter-palmer-social-reaction/index.html
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Walter Palmer
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JF_Gophers
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Re: Walter Palmer
If it wasn't a popular lion no one would have noticed. Right or wrong.
If it wasn't a popular lion no one would have noticed. Right or wrong.
ExileOnDaytonStreet
Drunkard
Re: Walter Palmer
Plus... Lions can be very lazy. Putting aside that he wasn't using the corpse for anything but a trophy and the ethics of hunting a species that's in need of conservation (not culling)... how sporting can it be to hunt an animal that spends so much time napping and not having to evade predators.
Plus... Lions can be very lazy. Putting aside that he wasn't using the corpse for anything but a trophy and the ethics of hunting a species that's in need of conservation (not culling)... how sporting can it be to hunt an animal that spends so much time napping and not having to evade predators.
Re: Walter Palmer
And the reason that particular Lion was famous was because he was known for coming right on up to vehicles. What kinda irks me is that he couldn't wait to get a good kill shot with his bow and arrow, and had to track that lion for about 2 days before they finally finish it off. Its open savanna in that area, and that lion was probably within 50 yards. that Lion was probably pushing 6 bills, but I believe if you should be able to have enough draw weight behind an arrow to achieve a kill shot without the poor thing having to suffer.
And the reason that particular Lion was famous was because he was known for coming right on up to vehicles. What kinda irks me is that he couldn't wait to get a good kill shot with his bow and arrow, and had to track that lion for about 2 days before they finally finish it off. Its open savanna in that area, and that lion was probably within 50 yards. that Lion was probably pushing 6 bills, but I believe if you should be able to have enough draw weight behind an arrow to achieve a kill shot without the poor thing having to suffer.
Re: Walter Palmer
What kind of person would derive either pleasure or pride from this kind of glorified target practice?
You want a manly challenge? Volunteer to help preserve habitat for these animals, which is slowly but steadily disappearing. If you don't have time, donate that $50,000 and hike the Minnesota woods and shoot ruffed grouse, if you can find them and hit them.
What kind of person would derive either pleasure or pride from this kind of glorified target practice?
You want a manly challenge? Volunteer to help preserve habitat for these animals, which is slowly but steadily disappearing. If you don't have time, donate that $50,000 and hike the Minnesota woods and shoot ruffed grouse, if you can find them and hit them.
Twitch Boy
Defacing this tagline is a MAX foul
Re: Walter Palmer
As despicable as this was...eventually one of these Internet witch hunts is going to end in tragedy.
Either a foaming at the mouth SJW won't be able to help themselves and will off the target and his whole family, or the victim will feel it's all crashing down around him and decide to go out in a blaze of glory.
As despicable as this was...eventually one of these Internet witch hunts is going to end in tragedy.
Either a foaming at the mouth SJW won't be able to help themselves and will off the target and his whole family, or the victim will feel it's all crashing down around him and decide to go out in a blaze of glory.
Re: Walter Palmer
I was just reading a piece written by another hunter who was ripping this guy apart for how he went about that "hunt". But, even that writer couldn't help but spout off some nonsense about the "ancient relationship that a hunter shares with his prey". Is this just something they need to tell themselves to avoid having to acknowledge that their prey's experience is just plain and simple terror? I don't have a problem with hunting in general, but hunters, I promise you that your prey has zero appreciation for your "shared experience."
I was just reading a piece written by another hunter who was ripping this guy apart for how he went about that "hunt". But, even that writer couldn't help but spout off some nonsense about the "ancient relationship that a hunter shares with his prey". Is this just something they need to tell themselves to avoid having to acknowledge that their prey's experience is just plain and simple terror? I don't have a problem with hunting in general, but hunters, I promise you that your prey has zero appreciation for your "shared experience."
Re: Walter Palmer
The guy shot an animal.
He didn't go kill some kid. He didn't walk in and shoot some people in a theater. He didn't hire a guide to track and kill one of the locals in the jungle. He shot an animal.
If he had killed the last male lion on earth, ensuring the species extinction, yeah I can see people getting unraveled a bit.
But in my opinion people just get a little too unhinged over animals they have either officially or unofficially adopted as pets. As Dennis Miller once put it, "If I could talk to the animals, I wouldn't. They're ****ing animals."
I am undoubtedly in the minority on this, but I here is what I don't like about the public reaction to this story.
The guy shot an animal.
He didn't go kill some kid. He didn't walk in and shoot some people in a theater. He didn't hire a guide to track and kill one of the locals in the jungle. He shot an animal.
If he had killed the last male lion on earth, ensuring the species extinction, yeah I can see people getting unraveled a bit.
But in my opinion people just get a little too unhinged over animals they have either officially or unofficially adopted as pets. As Dennis Miller once put it, "If I could talk to the animals, I wouldn't. They're ****ing animals."
Re: Walter Palmer
This guy gets what he deserves (within the law). 1) Luring an animal out of a sanctuary with food so you can kill it? What happened - the lion exhibit at the zoo was too crowded?
2) He has a pattern of disregarding the law. 3) Who the hell hunts endangered species? Is he killing time before Right Whale Harpooning Season?
If his business gets ruined due to protests and he becomes a social pariah, I hope that trophy was worth it.
This guy gets what he deserves (within the law). 1) Luring an animal out of a sanctuary with food so you can kill it? What happened - the lion exhibit at the zoo was too crowded?
2) He has a pattern of disregarding the law. 3) Who the hell hunts endangered species? Is he killing time before Right Whale Harpooning Season?If his business gets ruined due to protests and he becomes a social pariah, I hope that trophy was worth it.
Re: Walter Palmer
Big game hunting isn't my cup of tea and from what we know this doesn't sound like a great way to go about big game hunting in a sporting way. And the guys has had issues before, so colors this in an even worse light. That said, I haven't seen anything definitive on whether what he did broke any law or not and I think it's reasonable to accept that he didn't know this was a famous lion. As has been said, this isn't that different than what hundreds (or thousands) of people do every year going after big game in Africa, he just had the misfortune of happening to get a celebrity lion. I hope people protest every other time a big game animal is taken in less than a sporting way, but we know that won't happen. This is the hip cause of the moment and soon it will be something/someone else that strikes peoples' fancy and this will be largely forgotten.
True. As unfortunate and unpleasant as this is in many ways, it is certainly being blown out of proportion. Lots of much worse things happen every day, but the thought of a famous lion in Africa is exotic and people latch onto it. Seems like we still don't know a lot of the details to the situation, so in an ideal world people wouldn't go bananas the way some have.
Big game hunting isn't my cup of tea and from what we know this doesn't sound like a great way to go about big game hunting in a sporting way. And the guys has had issues before, so colors this in an even worse light. That said, I haven't seen anything definitive on whether what he did broke any law or not and I think it's reasonable to accept that he didn't know this was a famous lion. As has been said, this isn't that different than what hundreds (or thousands) of people do every year going after big game in Africa, he just had the misfortune of happening to get a celebrity lion. I hope people protest every other time a big game animal is taken in less than a sporting way, but we know that won't happen. This is the hip cause of the moment and soon it will be something/someone else that strikes peoples' fancy and this will be largely forgotten.
Re: Walter Palmer
One item about trophy hunting in Africa that should be noted (and generally isn't) is that the huge fees these guys pay often is the only funding available to these countries to be able to try and protect the rest of the herd/pride. If the choice for Zimbabwe is either no rangers and protection for the animals or some limited hunting for large fees and a staff to protect the animals from poachers, it's a pretty easy choice.
Again, no defense for the individual event, but some for the concept.
One item about trophy hunting in Africa that should be noted (and generally isn't) is that the huge fees these guys pay often is the only funding available to these countries to be able to try and protect the rest of the herd/pride. If the choice for Zimbabwe is either no rangers and protection for the animals or some limited hunting for large fees and a staff to protect the animals from poachers, it's a pretty easy choice.
Again, no defense for the individual event, but some for the concept.
walrus
Wind up workin' in a gas station
Re: Walter Palmer
Hunting is big time in Maine but its generally for food. Their is some trophy hunting, bears come to mind but mostly its for food. I know lots of guys who do it just to walk around in the woods and don't shoot anything. If the guy had to eat I'd understand it but just to mount a head on the wall, I don't. I've slaughtered plenty of critters when the farm was going, never once found it enjoyable.
Hunting is big time in Maine but its generally for food. Their is some trophy hunting, bears come to mind but mostly its for food. I know lots of guys who do it just to walk around in the woods and don't shoot anything. If the guy had to eat I'd understand it but just to mount a head on the wall, I don't. I've slaughtered plenty of critters when the farm was going, never once found it enjoyable.
St. Clown
Liberal Rebel Scum, apparently
Re: Walter Palmer
while nobody died, these internet witch hunts/mob outcry has led to harm. During the Trayvon Martin death, Spike Lee (? - either him or another NYC-based director) took to Twitter and called out for a mob to encircle George Zimmerman's home to make him feel uncomfortable. The problem was that he called out the wrong address, because he found the wrong George Zimmerman in the online phonebook listings. Some old couple had to call the police so they could disperse the mob and they could go grocery shopping. They also had to change their phone number as that was tweeted out to the world, too.
while nobody died, these internet witch hunts/mob outcry has led to harm. During the Trayvon Martin death, Spike Lee (? - either him or another NYC-based director) took to Twitter and called out for a mob to encircle George Zimmerman's home to make him feel uncomfortable. The problem was that he called out the wrong address, because he found the wrong George Zimmerman in the online phonebook listings. Some old couple had to call the police so they could disperse the mob and they could go grocery shopping. They also had to change their phone number as that was tweeted out to the world, too.
busterman62
I got a pocket full of kryptonite
Re: Walter Palmer
I don't hunt much any more and never fish enough but the "eat whatever you kill" theory was firmly implanted at an early age. No problems with any hunter/fisherman who follows that rule. Trophy hunting? Nope
mookie1995
there's a good buck in that racket.
Re: Walter Palmer
christ, j c penney is coming to this town because of me!!!!
christ, j c penney is coming to this town because of me!!!!
bottomdweller
Where my dogsies at?
Re: Walter Palmer
If it's not for food, or to control the population (which I find crazy because I don't live in an area like that), there's no reason to hunt. What does someone get by killing an animal just for the purpose of killing an animal. Shoot a dear, eat the venison. Hunt wild board, eat the pork. It's not that hard to see that killing animals for fun is ******ed up.
If it's not for food, or to control the population (which I find crazy because I don't live in an area like that), there's no reason to hunt. What does someone get by killing an animal just for the purpose of killing an animal. Shoot a dear, eat the venison. Hunt wild board, eat the pork. It's not that hard to see that killing animals for fun is ******ed up.