Walter Palmer

[burd]

Re: Walter Palmer

There's a rich irony that this is Zimbabwe we're talking about, with all the awful stuff Mugabe has been doing there for decades and few have cared at all.

Robert Mugabe is a brutish tyrant, but saying there has not been widespread concern and controversy over his policies for over 20 years, while convenient to your point, is untrue.

 

[trixR4kids]

Re: Walter Palmer

Robert Mugabe is a brutish tyrant, but saying there has not been widespread concern and controversy over his policies for over 20 years, while convenient to your point, is untrue.

Yeah but concern trolls gotta concern troll.

 

[Bob Gray]

Re: Walter Palmer

Robert Mugabe is a brutish tyrant, but saying there has not been widespread concern and controversy over his policies for over 20 years, while convenient to your point, is untrue.

Show me widespread concern and controversy. Most Americans couldn't even find Mozambique on a map and wouldn't even know who Mugabe was. Yes, he's a known brute and tyrant in human rights circles and such and he gets an occasional news story on the back pages when he does something especially bad, but I've never seen anything he's done get the level of attention Cecil is.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Walter Palmer

Show me widespread concern and controversy.

He's been the subject of worldwide condemnation for decades, including by the kind of American civil liberty groups the right laughs off as "do gooders" or "naive."

 

[5mn_Major]

Re: Walter Palmer

He's been the subject of worldwide condemnation for decades, including by the kind of American civil liberty groups the right laughs off as "do gooders" or "naive."

Well he finally crossed the line...and events like this have a tendency to make society progress. I'm sure there are opinions that have changed about the general issues regarding the event. But I'm not a good guy to ask about the morality of it. Because although I know we have to eat...but I don't see the fun in killing living things.

 

[Bob Gray]

Re: Walter Palmer

He's been the subject of worldwide condemnation for decades, including by the kind of American civil liberty groups the right laughs off as "do gooders" or "naive."

Sure he's been condemned worldwide as have a million other things, but the amount of attention he garners from the American public and media for his wrongdoings is tiny.

Do you think most Americans could find Mozambique on a map and are familiar with Mugabe's rule or even spell the country's name correctly (pre-Cecil that is)? If you do, once again you've gone off the fantasyland, along with apparently burd and others.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Walter Palmer

Do you think most Americans could find Mozambique on a map

I don't think most Americans could find Maryland on a map.

 

[Bob Gray]

Re: Walter Palmer

I don't think most Americans could find Maryland on a map.

A lot more could find Maryland than Mozambique.

Why do I try.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Walter Palmer

A lot more could find Maryland than Mozambique.

Why do I try.

I'm not sure what Mugabe has to do with Mozambique.

 

[Bob Gray]

Re: Walter Palmer

I'm not sure what Mugabe has to do with Mozambique.

I mean Zimbabwe. My point stands.

 

[Gurtholfin]

Re: Walter Palmer

So trophy hunting and/or poaching are okay because the trophy hunting and/or poaching happened in a country where the leader is a terrible person or because it was an animal and not a human.


Got it!

 

[Gurtholfin]

Re: Walter Palmer

The long and short is that in this day and age, if you do something that a lot of people find abhorrent, and you get caught publicly, you're gonna be publicly shamed. Right or wrong, it's the way it is.

Trophy hunters, child porn collectors, ku klux klan members, guys who target teenage girls online etc, etc might want to keep this in mind before they make certain life choices.

With social media, it's an awfully small world these days.



Been happening to abortion doctors for a long time, but I bet Bob doesn't see the similarity.

If you're going to be a doctor who performs abortions, you're going to have a lot of people who hate you. Right or wrong, comes with the territory and something to consider before you make that decision.



Sure, some of the examples above are legal and some aren't, but that hardly matters in the court of public opinion.


I don't feel one bit sorry for this "hunter" as trophy hunting is about as dooshy a thing as someone could do.

Never take life without reason or for thrill.

 

[LynahFan]

Re: Walter Palmer

So trophy hunting and/or poaching are okay because the trophy hunting and/or poaching happened in a country where the leader is a terrible person or because it was an animal and not a human.


Got it!

Now you've got it. There are only 7.3 billion people on the planet, so that's just not enough brain power to be able to attack multiple issues at once. We need to focus 100% of our efforts on the worst problem we can find - all others: BACK OF THE LINE!

 

[Kepler]

Re: Walter Palmer

The long and short is that in this day and age, if you do something that a lot of people find abhorrent, and you get caught publicly, you're gonna be publicly shamed. Right or wrong, it's the way it is.

Trophy hunters, child porn collectors, ku klux klan members, guys who target teenage girls online etc, etc might want to keep this in mind before they make certain life choices.

With social media, it's an awfully small world these days.



Been happening to abortion doctors for a long time, but I bet Bob doesn't see the similarity.

If you're going to be a doctor who performs abortions, you're going to have a lot of people who hate you. Right or wrong, comes with the territory and something to consider before you make that decision.



Sure, some of the examples above are legal and some aren't, but that hardly matters in the court of public opinion.


I don't feel one bit sorry for this "hunter" as trophy hunting is about as dooshy a thing as someone could do.

Never take life without reason or for thrill.

I always think the "kiddie porn" thing is mostly over-zealous categorization. It seems like people are always getting popped for it, and naive me I can't imagine it's that widespread a kink. My guess is there are a ton of people getting nailed for downloading pictures of 17 year olds, and the charge is exactly the same as if they were 8. <-- don't worry., This is SFW.

 

[Bob Gray]

Re: Walter Palmer

I always think the "kiddie porn" thing is mostly over-zealous categorization. It seems like people are always getting popped for it, and naive me I can't imagine it's that widespread a kink. My guess is there are a ton of people getting nailed for downloading pictures of 17 year olds, and the charge is exactly the same as if they were 8. <-- don't worry., This is SFW.

People aren't always getting popped for it. It's just such a heinous crime that here and there when someone does, it tends to get at least a little attention. Some people actually aren't excited to have such people as neighbors and such, especially if they have small children (yes, some of us are such prudes). Even in prison it's looked down on and people who do this stuff often get separated out as the general body of prisoners will go after someone who does this to kids. But, hey, let's get back to really important stuff, Cecil the Lion.

 

[St. Clown]

Re: Walter Palmer

I always think the "kiddie porn" thing is mostly over-zealous categorization. It seems like people are always getting popped for it, and naive me I can't imagine it's that widespread a kink. My guess is there are a ton of people getting nailed for downloading pictures of 17 year olds, and the charge is exactly the same as if they were 8. <-- don't worry., This is SFW.

There was that girl in the 80s, Tracy Lords, who lied about her age and was 15 doing porn for "mainstream" porn production companies. Eventually, someone in the FBI "happened" across one of her early movies, got suspicious and investigated. The production companies were cleared because she provided them with fake ID documents, and there wasn't much they could do to her as she was still a minor when committing the non-violent crime. The FBI or federal courts issued an order that every person who purchased a tape was required to turn in their copies or face child porn charges. As I understand it, only about 20% of the tapes sold were ever returned. That return rate is mighty indicative of the differences of a cash-based society and today's society.

 

[gmann]

Re: Walter Palmer

I know of this person. I can't speak to his character and I'm not defending him or his actions. What I do know? Annually he take his entire staff to a third world country and helps people in dire need of dental attention. All on his dime.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Walter Palmer

People aren't always getting popped for it. It's just such a heinous crime that here and there when someone does, it tends to get at least a little attention.

That may be. Granting that I tend to be a little cynical (this is a secret), but I also think kiddie porn / kiddie sex abuse is this age's witchcraft, like drugs used to be, Communism before that, anarchism before that, etc.

 

[Kepler]

Re: Walter Palmer

People aren't always getting popped for it. It's just such a heinous crime that here and there when someone does, it tends to get at least a little attention. Some people actually aren't excited to have such people as neighbors and such, especially if they have small children (yes, some of us are such prudes). Even in prison it's looked down on and people who do this stuff often get separated out as the general body of prisoners will go after someone who does this to kids.

This response is actually exemplary of what I was trying to get at. The badness of the crime loops back to shout down the possibility that people are actually not committing the crime they are accused of. The point is not wanting to avoid having a sex offender as a neighbor -- we all agree on that. It's that the guy with the Tracy Lords movie (wasn't she in "Weird Science"? I am confused...) shouldn't be in the same bucket as the guy with the pre-teen photo album. Those are way, way different things, but because of the sensationalism of the charge, they all get lumped together.

 

[5mn_Major]

Re: Walter Palmer

I know of this person. I can't speak to his character and I'm not defending him or his actions. What I do know? Annually he take his entire staff to a third world country and helps people in dire need of dental attention. All on his dime.

Don't know about this stuff. But the money to fly his staff around the world either comes from his patients directly or from us in terms of higher insurance costs. That's not an act of 'good'.

It looks like Walter was also charged with harassment charges (not too surprising) to the extent where he settled for $127k.