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Wall Street Journal Article About College Hockey

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GoNU5 said:
I'm confused, why exactly would UND, CC, and Denver be forced out if the WCHA gets back to 12 teams?

Rhode Island would also likely only move up if there was a slot open, which there isn't really at this point (unless HE wants to make an 11 team conference). Of course, if Navy were to upgrade, it would inevitably want to join Atlantic Hockey, which could cause a shift in the 3 conferences in the Northeast.

Just a wild pitch: Navy joins Atlantic Hockey, Ivy League forms a separate conference (probably would be more likely if UPenn moved up as well), ECAC and Atlantic Hockey reshuffle, and Rhode Island either joins one of those conferences or squeezes into Hockey East
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If URI wanted in Atlantic hockey would make room. They are a big name school and the draw alone would be enough. If Navy wanted in then Atlantic Hockey would have to take them. If they didn't Army and Air Force would lead to be with Navy I guarantee it.
URI would also have a slim chance of getting into HE. The school most likely to want them to join would be Providence because it would give them a true rival. However URI would not meet HE minimum seat guide lines and I am not sure if their basketball arena can be retrofitted for Hockey. I don't think URI would bring much to the table though. They would be more like a UMASS and not like UVM, UNH, or UMAINE.
 
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I'd really like to know what 5 schools comprise Paul Kelly's list

"This unprecedented game comes at a time when the sport is already expanding beyond its traditional boundaries. Paul Kelly, the president of College Hockey Inc., the year-old marketing arm of NCAA hockey, estimated that up to five more schools may upgrade their club-hockey teams to varsity status in the next few years."

I'm thinking since he's trying to raise the profile of NCAA hockey and communicate w/NHL that Lindenwood is not a team he'd be including in this list. He seems to want to make a bigger splash than that. His statements have been vague but I'm guessing there are 2 Big 10 teams in that mix. the rest I couldn't guess. I'd never heard of Iowa State/Oklahoma initiating any moves to D1 hockey or desiring that.

Syracuse is talked up a lot but apparently they're not saying anything;)
 
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When Oklahoma began their club program they did it with the intention of eventually having a NCAA squad. That was their 10-15 year plan. Who knows if it will happen. Rumors about Iowa State have been going on forever. Murdoch used it as a recruiting tool for a while and it gets brought up once a year or so in the ACHA world. Syracuse obviously has the women's team so other than staff and scholarships they wouldn't need to add much for a men's team. Lindenwood may not be the most high profile school to add to DI but they have A LOT of money to throw around and if Lindenwood wants to move, and they get approved, it'll happen.
 
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Indiana was rumored as well, when Penn State made their announcement. Not sure on that anymore.

I think if URI were to join, Hockey East would ask UCONN to come join Hockey East as well, that way every state school in New England is in the same league.

Id expect to hear more towards the offseason, and the Frozen Four as to more announcements. But hey, speculation is more fun.
 
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GoNU5 said:
You're pretty involved with this stuff, where do you think they would go? Try and carve a new league from stronger CCHA schools like Miami and Notre Dame, or try and convince schools considering adding hockey like Oklahoma, Iowa State, and Linenwood to join them? Actually, if you could get Oklahoma and Iowa State to join Denver, UND, and CC you could have a pretty strong league with a lot of interest.
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If there is a post-big 10 WCHA breakaway group (CC, DU, ND) , I would expect them to look for addtional schools with established, quality programs - Miami and Notre Dame would likely be the first targets. Then maybe UNO, and UMD. They probably want a smaller numer of schools 6 or maybe 8 so they can maintain non-conference rivalries. I don't see them going after club teams at this point.
 
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They could try, but at what expense does it get to be too costly to have a steady diet of trips to Ohio and Indiana? Or for that matter, for Miami and ND to make trips to CO and ND?
 
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Well, from the standpoint of the CO schools, trips to Indiana and Ohio are a wash compared to trips to MN.
 
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komey1 said:
They could try, but at what expense does it get to be too costly to have a steady diet of trips to Ohio and Indiana? Or for that matter, for Miami and ND to make trips to CO and ND?
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We have already invested millions into hockey as flagship sports, and the Colorado teams are already budgeted to fly to 95% of away games anyway. The attendence bump we'd see from more name brand schools in our barns would offset the extra cost, as well as being more attractive to TV and to recruits.
 
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Puck Swami said:
If there is a post-big 10 WCHA breakaway group (CC, DU, ND) , I would expect them to look for addtional schools with established, quality programs - Miami and Notre Dame would likely be the first targets. Then maybe UNO, and UMD. They probably want a smaller numer of schools 6 or maybe 8 so they can maintain non-conference rivalries. I don't see them going after club teams at this point.
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you would certainly entertain 'name' club teams. i would bet any conference (outsid the big 10 :p) would love to have kentucky.


(and don't forgot... y'all need a school to schedule for homecoming!! :))
 
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Puck Swami said:
If there is a post-big 10 WCHA breakaway group (CC, DU, ND) , I would expect them to look for addtional schools with established, quality programs - Miami and Notre Dame would likely be the first targets. Then maybe UNO, and UMD. They probably want a smaller numer of schools 6 or maybe 8 so they can maintain non-conference rivalries. I don't see them going after club teams at this point.
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If Oklahoma, Iowa State, or any other BCS school started a team and needed a conference they would take them in a heart beat. Hell even if a none BCS school like Boise St or BYU started a team they would take them. Boise because of name recognition from their football team and BYU because of the following they have. BYU is trying to be to Mormons what Notre Dame was/is to Catholics. Plus in a state like Colorado which has a large Mormon population a visit from BYU would draw in a lot of fans.
 
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GoNU5 said:
Rhode Island would also likely only move up if there was a slot open, which there isn't really at this point (unless HE wants to make an 11 team conference). Of course, if Navy were to upgrade, it would inevitably want to join Atlantic Hockey, which could cause a shift in the 3 conferences in the Northeast.

Just a wild pitch: Navy joins Atlantic Hockey, Ivy League forms a separate conference (probably would be more likely if UPenn moved up as well), ECAC and Atlantic Hockey reshuffle, and Rhode Island either joins one of those conferences or squeezes into Hockey East
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In a recent Liberty University student newspaper, an article asked why Liberty doesn't have varsity hockey.

The answers seems to be: (a) Title IX and (b) no other teams within their competitive region of 350 miles.

Was the 350 mile limit arbitrarily chosen? The Robert Morris campus is almost exactly 350 miles from the Liberty campus, while Princeton is just over 350 miles. Navy would be 210 miles, while Penn would be 320, and State College would be 315. (Huntsville is 525 miles.)

It's possible that a Navy hockey program could spark Liberty to reevaluate hockey.
 
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Puck Swami said:
We have already invested millions into hockey as flagship sports, and the Colorado teams are already budgeted to fly to 95% of away games anyway. The attendence bump we'd see from more name brand schools in our barns would offset the extra cost, as well as being more attractive to TV and to recruits.
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But what about Miami and (to a lesser extent) Notre Dame? They would have a considerable jump in travel costs. Would that be enough for them, as opposed to taking lesser, but pretty good, teams such as Niagara and RIT where travel costs are much less. I don't know if any loss in attendance by wanting to get those kind of teams in their conference if they were to keep a CCHA alive.
 
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Star2City said:
In a recent Liberty University student newspaper, an article asked why Liberty doesn't have varsity hockey.

The answers seems to be: (a) Title IX and (b) no other teams within their competitive region of 350 miles.

Was the 350 mile limit arbitrarily chosen? The Robert Morris campus is almost exactly 350 miles from the Liberty campus, while Princeton is just over 350 miles. Navy would be 210 miles, while Penn would be 320, and State College would be 315. (Huntsville is 525 miles.)

It's possible that a Navy hockey program could spark Liberty to reevaluate hockey.
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reads like you answered your question why 350 was used....... if any number lower was picked, they wouldn't be able to say "no" teams :p
 
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CHFAN222 said:
If Oklahoma, Iowa State, or any other BCS school started a team and needed a conference they would take them in a heart beat. Hell even if a none BCS school like Boise St or BYU started a team they would take them. Boise because of name recognition from their football team and BYU because of the following they have. BYU is trying to be to Mormons what Notre Dame was/is to Catholics. Plus in a state like Colorado which has a large Mormon population a visit from BYU would draw in a lot of fans.
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Only 2% of Colorado is Mormon...there isn't that much of a Mormon population here.
 
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mookie1995 said:
reads like you answered your question why 350 was used....... if any number lower was picked, they wouldn't be able to say "no" teams :p
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By the same token, the Liberty AD seems acutely aware of the mileage to Robert Morris and Princeton. He's definitely put some thought into the situation - which is more than can be said for most school AD's when discussing hockey.
 
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GoNU5 said:
I'm confused, why exactly would UND, CC, and Denver be forced out if the WCHA gets back to 12 teams?
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As long as UW and UM find it acceptable to be in the same conference - athletically and academically - as UND and Denver as well as other WCHA schools, UND and Denver are not going to object to any perceived shortcomings of other WCHA institutions.

Once UW and UM leave for the BTHC, the rules of conference alignment that most of the rest of college athletics follow but that hockey and the WCHA had blissfully ignored (conference members are generally bound by similar academics, endowments, academic achievement, alumni size) will rear it's ugly head. For example, UND would never choose to be in the same conference as Minot State or MSU-Moorhead, as that type association would diminish UND's standing in two key markets: Fargo and Minot. UND has in the past associated with UMD, SCSU, UNO, and MSU-Mankato in other sports, but never with Minot State and MSU-Moorhead, which are considered lesser institutions academically. If Minnesota had sponsored Moorhead, UND would have agreed. Taking Minnesota and Wisconsin out of the WCHA equation creates a whole new complexity of conference politics. A WCHA with UND and Minot St/Moorhead would be the football equivalent of Notre Dame joining the MAC and being the equal of Ball State and Toledo - which would never be tolerated by Notre Dame.

Once the Big Ten schools leave the WCHA and CCHA, hockey conference alignments - at least in the west - will no longer be immune to the rules governing college conference alignments in general.
 
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Star2City said:
Minot State is one year ahead of Lindenwood in their NAIA to Division II transition. MSU-Moorhead would likely add a team now if they could get in a league. If McLeod adds those two, that would practically force UND, Denver, and CC out of the league, but those three could be gone anyway to an anti-BTHC.
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The now accepted common parlance for "anti-BTHC" is BHHC -- Butt Hurt Hockey Conference
 
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CHFAN222 said:
If Oklahoma, Iowa State, or any other BCS school started a team and needed a conference they would take them in a heart beat. Hell even if a none BCS school like Boise St or BYU started a team they would take them. Boise because of name recognition from their football team and BYU because of the following they have.
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None of these schools have announced intentions to have D-I hockey. Until they do, it's kind of useless to plan conference scenarios that include them..
 
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