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Wacky Bloomberg

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FreshFish said:
Since you are obviously so much smarter than anyone else, perhaps you can explain the distinction between a "reasonable" search and one that is not "reasonable" then?

If a police officer sees the outline of a gun in someone's pocket, is it "reasonable" to stop and ask that person "what are you doing with that gun in your pocket?"

If that is not "reasonable" please explain why. if it is "reasonable" then please explain what the fuss is about.

Thanks.
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Reasonable searches or seizures involve the ability to gain a warrant. In the text of the fourth amendment, the word "warrant" is specifically used. You cannot obtain a warrant without probable cause, according to the amendment as it is written. The difference between the New Lebanon incident and the NYC dealings you are describing is that one has evidence (in this case, a rifle with the ability to hold ten rounds) that is probable cause enough to obtain a warrant, while the other (profiling of citizens) is not probable cause that the person even has a weapon. In all cases, the request to search could very well have been declined pending the presentation of a warrant.
 
Re: Wacky Bloomberg

FreshFish said:
Since you are obviously so much smarter than anyone else, perhaps you can explain the distinction between a "reasonable" search and one that is not "reasonable" then?

If a police officer sees the outline of a gun in someone's pocket, is it "reasonable" to stop and ask that person "what are you doing with that gun in your pocket?"

If that is not "reasonable" please explain why. if it is "reasonable" then please explain what the fuss is about.

Thanks.
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Flaggy got most of it. You can't frisk someone because they look like a gang member. Might as well frisk all Muslims because they look like "terrorists". Throw in black people in general because they're never up to any good. Oh, and Tea Party members. Yes that one seems to be the popular one with the kids these days. Did I miss anyone?
 
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dxmnkd316 said:
Flaggy got most of it. You can't frisk someone because they look like a gang member. Might as well frisk all Muslims because they look like "terrorists". Throw in black people in general because they're never up to any good. Oh, and Tea Party members. Yes that one seems to be the popular one with the kids these days. Did I miss anyone?
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71 years ago it was Japanese.

But, if 95% of US terrorists are Muslim, then common sense would seem to limit the amount of alien Muslims entering / staying in the country.
 
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I'd actually be curious about the legality of banning/limiting non-citizen Muslims from the US.

I'm neither for it or against it, just wondering about the legality.
 
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FreshFish said:
If a police officer sees the outline of a gun in someone's pocket, is it "reasonable" to stop and ask that person "what are you doing with that gun in your pocket?"
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"That's not a gun in my pocket, I'm just happy to see you."
 
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Mr. Friedman reportedly saw Mr. Bloomberg at the club a day after the court ruling, and asked him about the Taxi of Tomorrow plan
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"Asked" or provoked? Hilarious either way. Wouldn't shock me if Bloomberg had had a few, being the hypocrite that he is.
 
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jmh said:
This article has nothing to do with hot dog carts. It's only directed at restaurants that are using public space for their private business without legal authority to do so.
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How would you classify the hot dog cart vendors, then? They're using public domain.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
How would you classify the hot dog cart vendors, then? They're using public domain.
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Hot dog cart vendors apply for a license which, when granted, allows them use of that space. Did you even read the article you posted? as jmh already pointed out, that's the same issue with the outdoor cafes, or option 2 in the article you posted.
 
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jmh said:
This article has nothing to do with hot dog carts. It's only directed at restaurants that are using public space for their private business without legal authority to do so.
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But it was suggested by Bloomberg so it must be stupid.
 
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FreshFish said:
Did you even read the article you posted?
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It's at least the second time in two or three weeks that he's been called out for reading the politically-charged headline and getting outraged without reading the entire article.

Bloomberg has done some mighty stupid sh*t, but this is one instance where cracking down on a handful of restaurants operating patios without the required permit (a source of revenue for the city) is hardly fascism. It's a matter of public vs. private property, and stopping a form of soft tax evasion.
 
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FreshFish said:
Hot dog cart vendors apply for a license which, when granted, allows them use of that space. Did you even read the article you posted? as jmh already pointed out, that's the same issue with the outdoor cafes, or option 2 in the article you posted.
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Well, when you're fining store owners for not sweeping the sidewalk in front of their store, but then not allow them to conduct business there, you have a double standard.
 
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