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Verbal commitment process needs change?

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FiveHole12 said:
Best advice I ever heard told to a recruit... 'Choose your school based on your intended major and the community of the campus. If you have a career ending injury in your first practice, is this the place you want to spend the next 4 years of your life?"
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Without a doubt, and I've used that line myself. But I'm not prepared to say that should be the first consideration for everyone. Realistically, for many D1 recruits, their "intended major" is hockey, and they don't necessarily plan on spending the next four years of their life there. But as with mnstateOfhockey we agree on the general point.
 
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Too much ignorance on this thread and not enough time to respond to it all. :rolleyes:
 
Hammy said:
Too much ignorance on this thread and not enough time to respond to it all. :rolleyes:
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Like I told you on Twitter. I understand where you're coming from. I just have concerns about the effects this change would have and don't completely buy the motives.

Show me evidence that coaches at small programs are clamoring for this change and it will alleviate my concerns. So far, I haven't seen any.
 
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The only way you're going to get change in the verbal commitment process is if you have a coach be "that guy" and poach players just before the NLI is signed, and then if he wins a NC, the process will be gone.
 
FlagDUDE08 said:
The only way you're going to get change in the verbal commitment process is if you have a coach be "that guy" and poach players just before the NLI is signed, and then if he wins a NC, the process will be gone.
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That isn't possible under the current process. Changing the process by eliminating the agreement could make that very possible.
 
FlagDUDE08 said:
The only agreement that is binding is the NLI. Either that, or enrollment (including a security deposit).
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The gentlemen's agreement that is being discussed, the agreement that this whole thread is dedicated to discussing, is an agreement between the coaches not to contact a player after he has verbally committed to another program.

So, under the current system where coaches have agreed to not contact players who have verbally committed to other programs, how are you suggesting that a coach will "poach" another program's recruit?

A kid may decommit and go elsewhere on his own, but I'd hardly classify that as poaching. I am seriously beginning to wonder if you understand the discussion at all.
 
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mnstate0fhockey said:
The gentlemen's agreement that is being discussed, the agreement that this whole thread is dedicated to discussing, is an agreement between the coaches not to contact a player after he has verbally committed to another program.

So, under the current system where coaches have agreed to not contact players who have verbally committed to other programs, how are you suggesting that a coach will "poach" another program's recruit?

A kid may decommit and go elsewhere on his own, but I'd hardly classify that as poaching. I am seriously beginning to wonder if you understand the discussion at all.
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You say that coaches have "agreed" to not contact players who have verbally committed to other programs. I ask you, how is this or can this be enforced?
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
You say that coaches have "agreed" to not contact players who have verbally committed to other programs. I ask you, how is this or can this be enforced?
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It isn't enforced.
It's a gentleman's agreement, it's done on honor.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
And what I'm saying is that all it will take is "that guy" to start poaching and subsequently making noise in the national tournament.
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And so far, no one wants to be "that guy"
There is some honor among these coaches, it's too small a fraternity for there not to be.
 
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First Time said:
And so far, no one wants to be "that guy"
There is some honor among these coaches, it's too small a fraternity for there not to be.
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I never said that there wasn't. You just never know what could happen with new outside influences.
 
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FlagDUDE08 said:
And what I'm saying is that all it will take is "that guy" to start poaching and subsequently making noise in the national tournament.
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There's other things to consider... start doing that and you'll start burning your bridges... OOC scheduling gets difficult at best... so on so forth. It isn't done regularly because it isn't a tactic that comes without penalty.
 
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Patman said:
There's other things to consider... start doing that and you'll start burning your bridges... OOC scheduling gets difficult at best... so on so forth. It isn't done regularly because it isn't a tactic that comes without penalty.
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Then they just start paying Atlantic teams for one-and-dones with all the money they're raking in. I know of a certain school that has experience with that... dont' want to name any names, but they have ugly helmets...
 
FlagDUDE08 said:
Then they just start paying Atlantic teams for one-and-dones with all the money they're raking in. I know of a certain school that has experience with that... dont' want to name any names, but they have ugly helmets...
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Yeah, I don't think you quite get how this works. The social dance means a lot more than you think.
 
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According to the Colgate thread, we've started. WMU has grabbed a Colgate recruit. Although it's possible he de-committed.
 
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You're naive if you don't think this stuff already goes on to some extent. When kids are thinking of "decommitting", it usually isn't without some encouragement going on from a coach at another school that wants him. They just aren't as frontal about it as football and basketball coaches are.
 
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mnstate0fhockey said:
Besides, the way things are now, it didn't stop a kid like Ryan Walters from decommitting from Minnesota and committing to UNO. It was his decision. A decision he made without coaches trying to pry him away from the Gophers. So, if kids don't like the situation they have committed to, they do have options right now to go elsewhere.
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In all fairness, the Gopher coaching staff made it extremely difficult for Walters such that he was essentially driven to decommit. Apparently he was too much of an agitator and Hill tried to "encourage" him to tone it down.:rolleyes: Dumb.
 
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