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UVM Catamounts 2019/20

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catmandoo said:
I'm sorry..I should have worded it better..All those players committed and were recruited by the staff prior too and when Sneddon first arrived. As far as Stahlberg goes, he was recruited by everybody. He was the top scorer on on the J20 Elite team in Frolunda..hats off to Micheletto for landing him.

https://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/11095/qa_with_viktor_stalberg/
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Gotcha. And just to clarify regarding Stalberg I do remember him saying that in (an article which I wish I could find but can't) but I should have clarified this was before he blew up with Frolunda because prior to joining them he had some pretty sub par stats with other club teams at the same level. Gist of it was he knew he wanted to play college so he sent out tapes everywhere and UVM got on him early before other programs realized he wanted to play college while he had his breakout year with Frolunda.
 
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Charlie Catamount said:
Gotcha. And just to clarify regarding Stalberg I do remember him saying that in (an article which I wish I could find but can't) but I should have clarified this was before he blew up with Frolunda because prior to joining them he had some pretty sub par stats with other club teams at the same level. Gist of it was he knew he wanted to play college so he sent out tapes everywhere and UVM got on him early before other programs realized he wanted to play college while he had his breakout year with Frolunda.
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Ah..ok makes sense..I think we are both saying the same thing..Time for a new look at UVM
 
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j24vt said:
Sneddon out the door before Christmas with efforts like this weekend.
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oh what a gift that would be!!
If they dont manage a split vs Lowell this weekend this season already toast! easy sweep for BC maybe could split BU but doubt it on road should get result against down AZ State team but would say Cats are not favored this team could be 1-12 by December! pucks bounce many ways so i doubt that also AZ State might not be as strong as last year but this weekend already do or die for the Cats!
 
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TovarishchLisa said:
End of an era at the BFP - Ted Ryan is officially retiring. Great guy, very good writer, will be missed.
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Even he's getting out before the season goes off the rails! I'm kidding sort of...have to say hearing this and reading the last story he filed for the paper it makes sense. That seemed pretty thrown together and given he knew he was done I don't blame him after watching that bad Maine loss. With him leaving it appears the Free Press is not going to have an assigned beat writer to the program and will instead use a staff report to file the game stories which is pretty sad and is something that would not have happened if the program was worth space in print or online and it says a lot about how bad things have gotten.
 
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#FireSneddon

This team is so bad. Another snoozer at the Gut. This power play has possession in the zone for the whole end of the 2nd and didn't generate a thing. Slow and predictable.
 
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They played better tonight, but just offensively challenged. Both UML goals were a bit lucky.
 
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Much better game for UVM this week. First Lowell goal was a bad defensive breakdown in front of Lekkas. Second Lowell goal was a fluke. Lekkas, Lucas and Cowans were my standouts. 41 shots by UVM is misleading. A lot of bad angle shots and way too many shots hitting the goalie in the chest.

Notes for the offense:
- Sometimes the best pass is to someone behind you.
- Don't pass to someone unless they have better angle. Take the shot.
- Stop carrying the puck into the corner.
 
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1-4-0 overall. 0-2-0 HE. 1.2 goals/game average. 0-16 on the power play...and does anyone else get the sense Sneddon is almost gleeful? Maybe he already has his next contract extension in hand and we’ll all learn about it this spring. Disgraceful.
 
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VTALUM said:
1-4-0 overall. 0-2-0 HE. 1.2 goals/game average. 0-16 on the power play...and does anyone else get the sense Sneddon is almost gleeful? Maybe he already has his next contract extension in hand and we’ll all learn about it this spring. Disgraceful.
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this has been by gut feeling for a while now that the sstory before the season about him not having one was a fake out to get fans to think they would make a move knowing that they never would no matter what! i bet if they get a point tonight theyll announce it at the bars as we turn the clocks back. of course now there is no reporter to find out if that would be true anymore I will never stop the fight to say this man has ruined a proud program and is not the man to go forward on ice or off it but much of me knows that drinking buddies bonds and not actually caring what anyone thinks is what is going to happen and the man will be here another 15 years! it is a DISGRACE!
 
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j24vt said:
Much better game for UVM this week. First Lowell goal was a bad defensive breakdown in front of Lekkas. Second Lowell goal was a fluke. Lekkas, Lucas and Cowans were my standouts. 41 shots by UVM is misleading. A lot of bad angle shots and way too many shots hitting the goalie in the chest.

Notes for the offense:
- Sometimes the best pass is to someone behind you.
- Don't pass to someone unless they have better angle. Take the shot.
- Stop carrying the puck into the corner.
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I agree - better weekend than Maine weekend. More energy/compete by the guys, and liking Freshmen class (Lemay, Lucas, #17). BUT......Maine/UMASS have higher skilled players than UVM has. When Lekas plays really well and things fall right for UVM and the team comes to play then they are in the game. When those things don't play out we're chasing the game and the opponent and often playing from behind.

Which brings me to the coaching situation. Things are stale with the entire program. Empty seats, season tickets not being renewed, product on the ice and eventually the results. Heck last nights 50/50 raffle was a whopping ~$300 (can't remember it ever being that low). UVM is not getting the level of recruit to compete against it's opponents. Not a knock on the players - as I think they are good guys, usually work hard and are giving their best. But at the end of the day - 1 person is responsible for the horses in the barn and we're not getting the level needed to be successful. The current coach has had more than a fair shot to turn things around and that is not happening. The program needs a JOLT of energy (everyone must go - even the stick boy). This is going to be a long journey to get to a better situation. Many recruits are already locked in. It's going to take a new and in my opinion younger coach who has the 80-100 hours a week to game-plan, practice plan, network, and most importantly sell the program and turnaround to a bunch of higher skilled players. I only hope the administration can see what is occurring in the stands and on the ice.
 
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Catfantoo said:
I agree - better weekend than Maine weekend. More energy/compete by the guys, and liking Freshmen class (Lemay, Lucas, #17). BUT......Maine/UMASS have higher skilled players than UVM has. When Lekas plays really well and things fall right for UVM and the team comes to play then they are in the game. When those things don't play out we're chasing the game and the opponent and often playing from behind.

Which brings me to the coaching situation. Things are stale with the entire program. Empty seats, season tickets not being renewed, product on the ice and eventually the results. Heck last nights 50/50 raffle was a whopping ~$300 (can't remember it ever being that low). UVM is not getting the level of recruit to compete against it's opponents. Not a knock on the players - as I think they are good guys, usually work hard and are giving their best. But at the end of the day - 1 person is responsible for the horses in the barn and we're not getting the level needed to be successful. The current coach has had more than a fair shot to turn things around and that is not happening. The program needs a JOLT of energy (everyone must go - even the stick boy). This is going to be a long journey to get to a better situation. Many recruits are already locked in. It's going to take a new and in my opinion younger coach who has the 80-100 hours a week to game-plan, practice plan, network, and most importantly sell the program and turnaround to a bunch of higher skilled players. I only hope the administration can see what is occurring in the stands and on the ice.
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Recruits being locked in is pretty relative since guys committing that young really aren't doing anything more than giving their word which everyone knows can be backed out of or that things change. If there's a new coach I'm sure they'll want to retain the talented ones but they might not be too worried about where anyone goes if people change their mind.

I think if there's a new coach it is a question of if you're looking at hot recruiter names who are younger or experienced development types. Pros and cons to each. A hot recruiter can get talent but can they coach them to wins? A development and tactician type can bring in talent but maybe not all blue chip types but by the time he's done he's got the results to show for it. You're basically asking whether you want someone like Quinn formerly of BU who that type likely never comes to UVM or someone like a Norm Bazin or a combination of both. All I know is they need someone new who doesn't have the stench that Sneddon reputation has become because despite shortcomings as a program he's the reason they're bad and won't get any better.
 
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Charlie Catamount said:
Recruits being locked in is pretty relative since guys committing that young really aren't doing anything more than giving their word which everyone knows can be backed out of or that things change. If there's a new coach I'm sure they'll want to retain the talented ones but they might not be too worried about where anyone goes if people change their mind.
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I think his point in saying that recruits are locked in, may have been that the new coach (assuming Sneddon is canned) is going to be stuck with them (i.e., mediocre recruits), not that the new coach would lose them.
 
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UVM Cat in Texas said:
I think his point in saying that recruits are locked in, may have been that the new coach (assuming Sneddon is canned) is going to be stuck with them (i.e., mediocre recruits), not that the new coach would lose them.
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Well that would only apply to those who have signed a national letter of intent already which would only apply to those who either have no choice but to come meaning they are headed for their 21st birthday or the team wants them to enroll now but would have to be college age eligible so most likely 18-19 years old. Since pretty much year to year you never know which one of the recruits is actually going to show up seems like Sneddon and company aren't getting intent letters early because they often push kids into another year of junior hockey and every year you are only working under a verbal commitment is really every year you're not showing up or that you can get out of it with ease. The kids who commit at 15 while everyone does it it's practically meaningless. Also would be willing to bet no kid with one of those advisors is letting them sign a letter of intent to a lame duck coach until they actually know what the deal is.

One example I'll use pulling from that recruiting list site: Mickey Burns committed in December of 2016 when he 16 years old. He's 19 now and still playing junior hockey and will be 20 by the time he is slated to arrive in 2020-21. If there was a coaching change I believe he could say no thanks to UVM if he wanted or the new coach could tell him sorry not in the plans and he would get another year to play juniors somewhere. My point though is that all these early commitments aren't showing up for years after or don't at all and there are so many outs to get them not to come if they're not good enough or they decide they want to go somewhere ele.

http://collegehockeyinc.com/articles/2011/11/all-about-nli.php
 
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Charlie Catamount said:
Well that would only apply to those who have signed a national letter of intent already which would only apply to those who either have no choice but to come meaning they are headed for their 21st birthday or the team wants them to enroll now but would have to be college age eligible so most likely 18-19 years old.
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Really? Didn't realize that. So when a kid verbally commits to play at UVM, is UVM not also making a verbal commitment to the kid? That is, as long as you're still healthy and able to play, and still want to come to UVM, you've got a spot on our team. That's not the case? So if I'm understanding you correctly, the new coach can tell a kid who's made a commitment to UVM "Sorry kid, Coach Sneddon wanted you, I don't. Good luck finding another school."
 
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UVM Cat in Texas said:
Really? Didn't realize that. So when a kid verbally commits to play at UVM, is UVM not also making a verbal commitment to the kid? That is, as long as you're still healthy and able to play, and still want to come to UVM, you've got a spot on our team. That's not the case? So if I'm understanding you correctly, the new coach can tell a kid who's made a commitment to UVM "Sorry kid, Coach Sneddon wanted you, I don't. Good luck finding another school."
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Nothing is binding until the NLI which are only one year agreements to begin with and a sport like hockey is allowed to divide its 18 full scholarships among its roster and the coach can decide to axe your scholarship at any time or tell you you're not getting more which is a Sneddon special and it's why guys like Munson and others left. Either yanked a kid's money outright or told them they wouldn't get any more scholarship money despite playing really well. Verbal agreements are basically so other schools are supposed to back off that the kid has made his decision. The idea is they have a spot on the team but if they find a better player or you don't develop as planned they push you to juniors for more years before eventually just saying sorry no dice while still giving the kid a chance to play his way into landing somewhere else. So yeah a new coach can say to any kid go look in another direction especially those with nothing binding. Also, if there is a coaching change about half those kids who are slated to be here 2-3 years from now will all probably reneg on their commitment anyway. System isn't really equitable it's why more athletes are fighting back against some of the BS and good for them.
 
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