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Utica College: The gang's all here.

Russell Jaslow said:
Yes, but you have to make sure they are evenly distributed amongst the student population. Otherwise, you get into the situation which got schools like Geneseo, Potsdam, Buffalo State, and most recently Elmira into trouble.

The Ivies are a peculiar situation. By the NCAA rules, they have every right to offer scholarships. They are full fledged D1 members. It is their own institutional and league decision to not offer scholarships. So, how they police that is entirely up to them. The NCAA has nothing to do with that.
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I actually have no problem with that calculus, as disingenuous as it is at face-value. The Ivies have always cheated, too, they just cheated more effectively.

Seems to me that all those across-the-board BS "rules" will fly out of the window very soon. There's always a work-around for the athletes anyway. We've seen at the D-3 level plenty of times, even when no real money was involved... And big-time D-1 sports? Forget about any integrity there.

These days, with the name/image/likeness policy, and adding-on the transfer portal, why even pretend that college sports are "amateur" endeavors anyway? It's going to be a dog-eat-dog deal, and to Hell with the hindmost. That might even happen to a tiny extent in D-3 hockey. (As in, a local commercial for this or that).

Personally, I don't have an issue with it. I can't imagine a star player in ANY D-3 hockey school lining his pockets via that sort of thing, but I think he should be allowed to test the waters; maybe sell a used car or tout a pizzeria to pick up a few bucks.
 
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Fishman'81 said:
I actually have no problem with that calculus, as disingenuous as it is at face-value. The Ivies have always cheated, too, they just cheated more effectively.

Seems to me that all those across-the-board BS "rules" will fly out of the window very soon. There's always a work-around for the athletes anyway. We've seen at the D-3 level plenty of times, even when no real money was involved... And big-time D-1 sports? Forget about any integrity there.

These days, with the name/image/likeness policy, and adding-on the transfer portal, why even pretend that college sports are "amateur" endeavors anyway? It's going to be a dog-eat-dog deal, and to Hell with the hindmost. That might even happen to a tiny extent in D-3 hockey. (As in, a local commercial for this or that).

Personally, I don't have an issue with it. I can't imagine a star player in ANY D-3 hockey school lining his pockets via that sort of thing, but I think he should be allowed to test the waters; maybe sell a used car or tout a pizzeria to pick up a few bucks.
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The whole thing really is a bit ridiculous. When Mary Hardin-Baylor won the DIII football championship last week I looked to see whether it was their second or third title. It was their third, but technically their second since they had to vacate their first title from 2016. The reason? The coach allowed a player to borrow his car for an extended period of time. They had to vacate a national championship because a player borrowed a 10-year-old Subaru.

I don't know where NIL will lead. I have mixed feelings about it, but so far it hasn't blown up DI despite quarterbacks signing multi-million dollar deals. Speaking for Norwich, I can definitely see an NU player getting a deal to promote the local sandwich shop or pizza. Maybe they just get $100 in gift cards or something, but that'd be worth it. More power to them. Players at Utica or Oswego might have more opportunities.
 
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NU Pastime said:
The whole thing really is a bit ridiculous. When Mary Hardin-Baylor won the DIII football championship last week I looked to see whether it was their second or third title. It was their third, but technically their second since they had to vacate their first title from 2016. The reason? The coach allowed a player to borrow his car for an extended period of time. They had to vacate a national championship because a player borrowed a 10-year-old Subaru.

I don't know where NIL will lead. I have mixed feelings about it, but so far it hasn't blown up DI despite quarterbacks signing multi-million dollar deals. Speaking for Norwich, I can definitely see an NU player getting a deal to promote the local sandwich shop or pizza. Maybe they just get $100 in gift cards or something, but that'd be worth it. More power to them. Players at Utica or Oswego might have more opportunities.
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Good post.

I'm of the opinion that the NIL deal will blow-up big-time D-1 sports, however. I'm thinking that the elite guys who view college sports as merely a stepping-stone to the professional ranks will all end up in a few select conferences with huge TV deals (via either the recruitment process or the portal), and that there'll be a de-facto underclass among all the other conferences, none of whom will have a sniff at the playoffs.

As you say, I don't see it having much of any impact on D-3 in any sport, though. Our little cottage-industry probably won't change much. I can't imagine that guys will choose a Utica or a Nazareth over a Norwich or an Adrian for the sake of a modestly more valuable gift card. At best, that sort of thing will just be a fun little bonus.

BUT... A QB at Alabama, a point guard at Duke..? Those guys can make some serious endorsement money, and that'll be a HUGE recruiting advantage, even for the one-and-done crowd.
 
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Pretty sure I read a few months ago that the Alabama qb(a frosh who hadn't played a single down) already had made over a million dollars before the season even started !
 
sshablak said:
Pretty sure I read a few months ago that the Alabama qb(a frosh who hadn't played a single down) already had made over a million dollars before the season even started !
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A million seems like a lot, considering, but some of these 5-Star kids will definitely make some serious dough.

For instance, I'm sure that you remember the hoopla surrounding Carmelo Anthony coming to SU. If the NIL was in place then, he would have raked-in the bucks before, during and after the NC, while still enrolled.

I don't have an opinion as to how much, but high 6-figures doesn't seem unreasonable.
 
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Pretty sure I read a few months ago that the Alabama qb(a frosh who hadn't played a single down) already had made over a million dollars before the season even started !
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Correct. And Nick Saban was bragging about it. Smart move, as he knows it will lure further top recruits to Alabama.
 
Hope you all had a nice Christmas.

I see the Oswego at Utica game is Sunday, January 9. Was that game originally set for Friday, January 7? Because that is what I originally put on my calendar. And one source still lists it as Friday.

Was this game indeed changed to Sunday, the 9th?

Thanks.
 
Russell Jaslow said:
Hope you all had a nice Christmas.

I see the Oswego at Utica game is Sunday, January 9. Was that game originally set for Friday, January 7? Because that is what I originally put on my calendar. And one source still lists it as Friday.

Was this game indeed changed to Sunday, the 9th?

Thanks.
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Sunday the 9th at 3 PM.

UC juggled the schedule soon after it was originally posted. Might be juggled again due to Omicron, but right now, this is what we have.
 
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Russell Jaslow said:
Was that going to be played at Griffis?
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It was scheduled at Griffiss, on a flooded baseball diamond. The capacity was projected to be something like 3,000, and it was a sold-out before it was even a solid date... We were all looking forward to it, on both sides of the aisle.

But there we went with Covid again.
 
UC has added transfer to the roster, Remy Parker from NJ. Coming from Maine Black Bears, welcome to Utica. Looking forward to Sunday game against Lakers. Not overlooking game against Curry, unable to attend. Let’s go UC
 
Hockeyguy1424 said:
UC has added transfer to the roster, Remy Parker from NJ. Coming from Maine Black Bears, welcome to Utica. Looking forward to Sunday game against Lakers. Not overlooking game against Curry, unable to attend. Let’s go UC
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No kidding? He transferred from my Alma Mater!

Sure, Maine is among the worst teams in D-1 but I'm very interested to see what he can do at the D-3 level.

Thanks very much for the heads-up. Is he a D-man?
 
Fish,
He may not have the stats, but I don’t think Coach Heenan would bring a guy in mid season if he didn’t think he could help the team. As I had said earlier another big body forward to add to the mix. Looking forward to the game Sunday. I’ll be watching from my computer Saturday.
 
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Fish,
He may not have the stats, but I don’t think Coach Heenan would bring a guy in mid season if he didn’t think he could help the team. As I had said earlier another big body forward to add to the mix. Looking forward to the game Sunday. I’ll be watching from my computer Saturday.
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Damn, but not surprised. And we're definitely streaming too, if there is a game to stream.

The Warden's both parents are Omicron-positive as of Tuesday, and we look after them. Ma is hanging in there, but Papa isn't well and is due for the monoclonal antibodies tomorrow.

If anyone has the time to drive to Herkimer County, please run over here and shoot me real quick. Take good aim, and there's $20 in it for you, US dollars. (And a free travel mug, with maybe a lil' somethin'-somethin' in it for your ride home.)

We were SO looking forward to this weekend of great D-3 hockey. I do not see it happening now.
 
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