Utica College Pioneers 2011-2012

[Fishman'81]

Re: Utica College Pioneers 2011-2012

My guess is the intent of the statement was about number of teams required for an automatic bid... volume over quality.

Of course, the selection committee has nothing to do with that... that's an NCAA rule across sports.

Same difference, in any practical sense. The Committee is just an arm of the NCAA, obviously. It isn't as though one acts independently of the other... D-3 posters sure love their semantics!

Looking forward to Nazareth joining the fold, at any rate. Two UC games there on Friday/Saturday would certainly justify the drive and an overnight in town. I wonder if the W has another prospective member in its cross-hairs?

Hamilton would be the team to woo, IMO... The program there is well-established, and UC, Hobart, and Nazareth would all be within an easy ride on the Thruway. (Should save HC a buck or two in gas compared to the travel costs they face right now, too.)

Probably won't happen, and I'm sure several of you will be eager to point exactly why it absolutely can not, citing some sacred D-3 clause in Article 589.77, Section 86...Yet, it would make good sense geographically, and might actually serve to improve the state of D-3 hockey in general, to have stable and reasonably-spaced teams in the same conferences.

(Just an idle thought on a slow night at work.)

 

[CARDS_rule_the_Burgh]

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Same difference, in any practical sense. The Committee is just an arm of the NCAA, obviously. It isn't as though one acts independently of the other... D-3 posters sure love their semantics!

Looking forward to Nazareth joining the fold, at any rate. Two UC games there on Friday/Saturday would certainly justify the drive and an overnight in town. I wonder if the W has another prospective member in its cross-hairs?

Hamilton would be the team to woo, IMO... The program there is well-established, and UC, Hobart, and Nazareth would all be within an easy ride on the Thruway. (Should save HC a buck or two in gas compared to the travel costs they face right now, too.)

Probably won't happen, and I'm sure several of you will be eager to point exactly why it absolutely can not, citing some sacred D-3 clause in Article 589.77, Section 86...Yet, it would make good sense geographically, and might actually serve to improve the state of D-3 hockey in general, to have stable and reasonably-spaced teams in the same conferences.

(Just an idle thought on a slow night at work.)

Hamilton just recently completed the process of joining the NESCAC in all sports, having cited their similar academic and athletic philosophies as a primary reason. If they pulled out in hockey, they'd need to find a home for the rest of their sports, and I highly doubt the rest of the athletic department would be particularly happy with the situation.

So, no NCAA bylaw that would prohibit Hamilton from joining the W... just simple common sense

 

[OSU2010]

Re: Utica College Pioneers 2011-2012

I heard a while ago that the University of Rochester was considering getting a hockey program... Don't know if it's just rumors or how serious it is. My guess is just a lack of funding at the moment, I know they have a club team.

 

[Bennycheck]

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I say woo Morrisville. Perfect fit and would create a great rivalry for UC fans. You can forget about Hamilton. Not going to happen.

 

[Hockeyfan2113]

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No SUNYAC or NESCAC are going to leave their conference in order to join ECAC-W. I would prefer someone like Skidmore. Though it would be 3+ hours for Elmira and Hobart, much easier to try and get an ECAC team to leave one for other. Especially for NESCAC, never going to happen.

 

[Pioneers#1]

Re: Utica College Pioneers 2011-2012

I say woo Morrisville. Perfect fit and would create a great rivalry for UC fans. You can forget about Hamilton. Not going to happen.

I've questioned why Utica doesn't play Morrisville since day one of the program. In the interest of Travel costs and playing a non-conference team nearby that could create a great rivalry, why wouldn't you play Morrisville?

Now that the Ponies are realitivly good, the time is now for Utica to play them.

 

[Fishman'81]

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Has anyone ever watched a game via the FastHockey feed on Neumann's official hockey page? I'm going to give it a shot tomorrow if I have sufficient reason to believe that it works decently...

 

[jconnor]

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Has anyone ever watched a game via the FastHockey feed on Neumann's official hockey page? I'm going to give it a shot tomorrow if I have sufficient reason to believe that it works decently...

I hope it's better than the feed we watched a couple of years ago from Utica, the two "Kids" who did that game were pathetic, scrum breaks out around the Elmira net and they stop to watch it and leave the camera pointed at the opposite end of the ice......never again.

 

[Fishman'81]

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The feed cost $7.99, and I suppose it was worth it, weighed against the cost and time involved driving to Philly to see the game in person...

The resolution was so-so, the camera a bit jiggly, and the video cut out for the last minute of the game. The audio stayed up, though, but that was a mixed blessing. (The two commentators -though they seemed like nice enough guys- knew absolutely nothing about hockey and mumbled their way through a truly laughable broadcast.)

The game was very evenly-played. Neumann's stifling backcheck was the difference, IMO. Smith was very good to excellent in net, but UC had trouble cuing the puck up in the NC zone, what with the relentless pressure they were facing. The winning goal came directly as a result of an egregious same-zone turnover. (I wasn't able to identify the culprit.)

Looks like the W is going to be a jungle again. Of the four conference teams I've seen, Elmira looks to be the strongest and most talented, but there's a lot of apparent parity... Utica is going to have to bring it every single night, in-conference, and I'm looking forward to seeing that happen. (Love those W games; each team seems to sincerely hate the other.)

 

[bear1537]

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The winning goal came directly as a result of an egregious same-zone turnover. (I wasn't able to identify the culprit.)

The Goalie swatted it to his left, then the D Man (#18) gave it up to Nuemann.

 

[vcxc3200]

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The feed cost $7.99, and I suppose it was worth it, weighed against the cost and time involved driving to Philly to see the game in person...

The resolution was so-so, the camera a bit jiggly, and the video cut out for the last minute of the game. The audio stayed up, though, but that was a mixed blessing. (The two commentators -though they seemed like nice enough guys- knew absolutely nothing about hockey and mumbled their way through a truly laughable broadcast.)

The game was very evenly-played. Neumann's stifling backcheck was the difference, IMO. Smith was very good to excellent in net, but UC had trouble cuing the puck up in the NC zone, what with the relentless pressure they were facing. The winning goal came directly as a result of an egregious same-zone turnover. (I wasn't able to identify the culprit.)

Looks like the W is going to be a jungle again. Of the four conference teams I've seen, Elmira looks to be the strongest and most talented, but there's a lot of apparent parity... Utica is going to have to bring it every single night, in-conference, and I'm looking forward to seeing that happen. (Love those W games; each team seems to sincerely hate the other.)

bad commentating?
Sounds like a job for this guy.

the other thing that buried us, and it has a tendency to happen time and time again, the powerplay. We cannot keep going 0-fer against a team that leads the nation in penalty minute average. the extra men conventionally have been served up on a silver platter by neumann. we're like converting at 10 percent against these boys in our last 10 opps. The last time utica beat neumann, utica was 6 of 7. And that was that terrible 09-10 team.

Defensively, not a bad game at all for the boys, but the powerplay seems to be mission:impossible in recent years.

 

[Fishman'81]

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Not to quibble, but the PP has looked pretty good at home this year, aside from the Elmira game. Neumann just has good wheels and good hands, and that took away UC's time and space. (And, as you point out, the Knights have plenty of experience killing penalties, though they didn't look as chippy as usual on Saturday.)

The W is going to be a war waged on many fronts this year, I think. I'm guessing that there will be no more than 4-5 points separating 1st from last when the RS is over. (And lots of sore bodies.)

 

[altazo]

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Looks as though the NCHA may have returned to the '90's with it's ECACW-esque log jam in the standings as well...

4 of the 7 current NCHA teams have won national championships in the last 20 years. Eau Claire (one of the three schools without a NC) did however produce one of the most productive NHL'ers to ever emerge from the D3 ranks in Alex Hicks. The only D3 player I can think of who had as big of an impact at the NHL level would probably be former Hamilton goaltender Guy Hebert.

 

[bakdraft21]

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Looks as though the NCHA may have returned to the '90's with it's ECACW-esque log jam in the standings as well...

4 of the 7 current NCHA teams have won national championships in the last 20 years. Eau Claire (one of the three schools without a NC) did however produce one of the most productive NHL'ers to ever emerge from the D3 ranks in Alex Hicks. The only D3 player I can think of who had as big of an impact at the NHL level would probably be former Hamilton goaltender Guy Hebert.

I scored on Herbert in double OT in the ECAC semi-finals, if I could do that he is/was a sieve

 

[Fishman'81]

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I scored on Herbert in double OT in the ECAC semi-finals, if I could do that he is/was a sieve

"Herbert" had a pretty decent stint in the NHL after your heroics, too...At that time, I'm fairly sure that he was the one D-3 player who had ever enjoyed more than a quick cup of coffee at the NHL level.

Not that The League is replete with D-3 guys even now, but he was a real novelty when he came up from Hamilton... The NHL announcers on any given night couldn't get over talking about his humble beginnings, and that patter continued seemingly non-stop for his entire career.

I don't remember him being around for very long, but he was the real deal for a while, no doubt.

 

[Buck Woodshed]

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I'm wondering how many that gave you for a career total.

I scored on Herbert in double OT in the ECAC semi-finals, if I could do that he is/was a sieve

 

[bakdraft21]

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I'm wondering how many that gave you for a career total.

I think that was 5 maybe

 

[Fishman'81]

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Looking ahead a bit, The Cardinal Classic in Plattsburgh at New Year's is on my to-do list, weather permitting. Never been there- that's reason enough to go -but the field looks pretty decent, too, with Castleton and UC invited. (Don't know much about Babson.)

Platty is a tough ticket when the students are there. I wonder if the holiday tournaments draw near-sellouts, too..?

If any of you have been there for an overnight and a game, I'm all ears as to advice regarding every aspect of the process, including lodging and eats.

Thanks!

 

[PrezdeJohnson09]

Looking ahead a bit, The Cardinal Classic in Plattsburgh at New Year's is on my to-do list, weather permitting. Never been there- that's reason enough to go -but the field looks pretty decent, too, with Castleton and UC invited. (Don't know much about Babson.)

Platty is a tough ticket when the students are there. I wonder if the holiday tournaments draw near-sellouts, too..?

If any of you have been there for an overnight and a game, I'm all ears as to advice regarding every aspect of the process, including lodging and eats.

Thanks!

Babson is a notoriously slow starting team. Last year they gave Norwich everything they could handle twice in the second half of the season despite being a below .500 team.

Right now their record isn't great but I would certainly expect babson to give teams at the cardinal classic fits if they overlook them.

They return most of their studs from last year and their goalie is capable of stealing a game any night.

 

[Birdwatcher]

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Looking ahead a bit, The Cardinal Classic in Plattsburgh at New Year's is on my to-do list, weather permitting. Never been there- that's reason enough to go -but the field looks pretty decent, too, with Castleton and UC invited. (Don't know much about Babson.)

Platty is a tough ticket when the students are there. I wonder if the holiday tournaments draw near-sellouts, too..?
If any of you have been there for an overnight and a game, I'm all ears as to advice regarding every aspect of the process, including lodging and eats.Thanks!

Plenty of hotels within a mile of the Stafford, including the Comfort Inn!

Many Restaurants including newer ones like Texas Roadhouse and UNO!

Very few students at this time. Most are on break.