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Utica College Pioneers 2011-2012

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Fishman'81 said:
WS was dominated in terms of shots-on, but the game was much closer than that on the ice.

Smitty wasn't sharp in net for UC, but he wasn't awful, either. He didn't face many shots, but what few opportunities WS had, they pretty much buried. Gotta say that the Owls showed decent team speed and admirable tenacity, even as they were being *out-talented*... They continued to work pretty hard throughout the game, a number of lazy/selfish penalties-taken nonwithstanding.

UC's usual suspects spearheaded the O, but one kid who stood out to me was the Fr. D-man, Adams. He really played a terrific two-way game.

We'll see if Utica can prevail at The Cooler tomorrow night, in a more meaningful contest. (They always seem to struggle in that dump.)
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Check your program, Adams is a Jr transfer from Plattsburgh, and yes a top Dman and GREAT p/u for Utica
 
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Fishman'81 said:
One more thing (and I've said it before...) UC fans are the most clueless I've ever seen in terms of basic hockey etiquette. Tonight was no exception.

All night long, night-in-and night-out, there was a tsunami of mindless parents and adults washing back and forth from their seats to the concessions during live action, heedless of those around them who are actually there to watch the game... I can't even begin to tell you how many necks I wanted to wring there this night, just as I have over the 11 years of UC playing at The Aud.It is often said that Utica is a "hockey town", but this behavior is definitely evidence contrary to that notion.

Get a clue, and wait for the whistle to procure your nachos and beer, you morons! Some of us are here to see the $#@K!ng hockey game, capece?
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So, It's not just the visiting fans that notice that?;)
 
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I took a random look around the D1 league last night and thought I'd toss out some numbers. Let's see why some
call Utica a great hockey town and whether the data supports that. Well there were 25 Division One Matchups last
night across America and 22 of them were conference rival games. I listed the games and locations by total
attendance, the league involved is also listed.

Minnesota @ Wisconson 11,445 WCHA
Boston College @ Northeastern 6,668 Hockey East
Alaska Anch @ Minn- Deluth 6,129 WCHA
Merrimack @ Boston University 5,226 Hockey East
Alaska @ Notre Dame 5,022 CCHA
Mass -Lowell @ Maine 4,749 Hockey East
Michigan @ Miami Ohio 3,407 CCHA
Mich State @ Western Mich 4,052 CCHA
Yale @ Rensselaer 3,522 ECAC
St.Cloud @ Minnesota State 3,436 WCHA
Nebraska @ Bimidgi 3,393 WCHA
Westfield State @ Utica College 3,363 Non Conference D3
Cornell @ Harvard 3,076 ECAC
Clarkson @ Quinnipiac 3,070 ECAC
Holy Cross @ UMASS 3,005 Non Conference
Colgate @ Dartmouth 2,140 ECAC
RIT @ Air Force 2,100 Atlantic
Ferris State @ Superior 1,693 CCHA
Brown @ Union 1,633 ECAC
Nor Michigan @ Ohio State 1,531 CCHA
St. Lawrence @ Princeton 1,415 ECAC
Canissius @ Bowling Green 1,377 Non Conference
Bama- Huntsville @ Providence 1,371 Non Conference
Robert Morris @ Mercy 1,113 Atlantic
Army @ Sacred Heart 507 Atlantic
Bentley @ AIC 452 Atlantic

No surprise at the top six game locations. Decent numbers in big markets with huge hockey heritage. I put in
Utica's game from last night in its appropriate location. Wow! So Westfield comes in here last year in an out
of conference game and lose 4-1 after being outshot 33-8 and then draw nearly 3,400 fans to what will prove to
be a meaningless game this year...Wow! So Westfield @ Utica was seen by more fans than the Harvard vs. Cornell
game - a rivalry of epic proportion? Are you kidding me? More than double the home fans of Union, Ohio State,
Princeton, Bowling Green, Providence, Mercyhurst. Sacred Heart and AIC for Westfield??? Wow!
The same number of fans as saw the bottom four D1 games involving 8 D1 teams if you add them all up! Wow!
What if we'd had a conference rival in here? Well there would be a lot more teams in the lists i just made underneath Utica!
Yup - it's a hockey town and a good one at that! The Aud is the place to be the players must love it! The Boys
at Sacred heart wish they had those fans - Maybe the doors to the main entrance at AIC were accidently bolted
shut last night? Whatever. Utica is a special place and have a great thing going!

But ya know what - you are right about the fans not understanding hockey etiquette. I've found that frustrating too. Guys,
Wait for the whistle - watch the play - get a beer when they are lining up the face off - if your going to be doing that
all night - great - its America - get an aisle seat, get a cab and have all the fun you can! After the whistle!

sorry bout the long post
 
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ok take a breath now,nice post, throw in the 2k at genny as well, and if oz was playing im sure they would have 2700ish..
 
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fishman'81 said:
one more thing (and i've said it before...) uc fans are the most clueless i've ever seen in terms of basic hockey etiquette. Tonight was no exception.

All night long, night-in-and night-out, there was a tsunami of mindless parents and adults washing back and forth from their seats to the concessions during live action, heedless of those around them who are actually there to watch the game... I can't even begin to tell you how many necks i wanted to wring there this night, just as i have over the 11 years of uc playing at the aud.it is often said that utica is a "hockey town", but this behavior is definitely evidence contrary to that notion.

Get a clue, and wait for the whistle to procure your nachos and beer, you morons! Some of us are here to see the $#@k!ng hockey game, capece?
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amen!
 
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I'm going to take it upon myself to call The Aud and complain that the ushers don't do enough to bust concourse loiterers, etc., and I'll suggest to them that the PA guy makes frequent announcements regarding when it is- and it is not- acceptable behavior to go on a fried-dough safari...

I don't think that all the kinda-sorta Utica fans are trying to be rude; many of them just don't have Clue One about any aspect of hockey. Sure, attendance is great there, but probably 50% of the fannies in the seats are there for the beer, or "to give the kids something to do." They would likely respond to a little official guidance, if it's offered.

Getting back to hockey, nice victory for UC at Hobart tonight; wins don't come easy there. Hertz has really turned into a dangerous player. Very nice outing in net for Nick, too. With Neumann and Elmira looking like their usual selves, Utica will have to scratch and claw just to amass enough points to garner home ice in the conference tournament, IMO, let alone win the RS title.
 
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In the eyes of the Aud it is always acceptable to go on a fried dough safari because it is producing revenue. Quite frankly, you can't police when you can and can't get up to get food or use the bathroom. It is simply a courteous thing to wait until action is paused,but it cannot be enforced...
 
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Ozz said:
In the eyes of the Aud it is always acceptable to go on a fried dough safari because it is producing revenue. Quite frankly, you can't police when you can and can't get up to get food or use the bathroom. It is simply a courteous thing to wait until action is paused,but it cannot be enforced...
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But it can be advised... If people hear it often enough, it just might stick in their beer-addled minds, who knows? (And loitering on the concourses is definitely against Aud rules. You can look that one up.)
 
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Great win For UC, crucial for their stance in the polls and rankings and division placement in the EcacWest. Its amazing how they go from next to last to second place overnight in this division.

Neumann is gonna be a hard one next week down in PA. Good thing we get Elmira, Neumann AND Hobart at home this season, twice. We might need it, with the fans we bring in.
 
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Pioneers#1 said:
Great win For UC, crucial for their stance in the polls and rankings and division placement in the EcacWest. Its amazing how they go from next to last to second place overnight in this division.

Neumann is gonna be a hard one next week down in PA. Good thing we get Elmira, Neumann AND Hobart at home this season, twice. We might need it, with the fans we bring in.
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They move from 4th to 2nd when very few games have been played and you call that amazing? Season is VERY young, and as your PIOs and my Eagles found out before, wining the regular season means diddly squat if you don't win the Conference Title in the Playoffs. Home ice does not guarantee a win, ask Utica, M'ville, RIT,Elmira.just saying.
 
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I'm just saying how its crazy how teams move around so erratic in short periods of time, using the EcacWest as an example. Obviously only a few games have been played, i'm just stating how they went from one end of the division to the other. Nothing to really argue about.

Although you're right with the home-ice advantage and it dosen't guarentee a win at all for ANY team, for Utica me and probably 3,000+ other fans would prefer to have our team at the Aud rather than at the Domes, the Cooler etc... Our fans i really think help us out momentum wise etc with our wins. Especially since having not such a good track record in places such as Elmira, Neumann and Hobart, playing these teams 2 out of 3 times at home really only helps Utica.
 
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Pioneers#1 said:
I'm just saying how its crazy how teams move around so erratic in short periods of time, using the EcacWest as an example. Obviously only a few games have been played, i'm just stating how they went from one end of the division to the other. Nothing to really argue about.

Although you're right with the home-ice advantage and it dosen't guarentee a win at all for ANY team, for Utica me and probably 3,000+ other fans would prefer to have our team at the Aud rather than at the Domes, the Cooler etc... Our fans i really think help us out momentum wise etc with our wins. Especially since having not such a good track record in places such as Elmira, Neumann and Hobart, playing these teams 2 out of 3 times at home really only helps Utica.
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That's what I find a little "odd" about the ECAC West schedule (or for that matter any league that does the triple round robin schedule. Inevitably somebody is treated unfairly because they have to play an extra game at Utica or Manhattanville. With only 5 teams in the league, I would think they would play a 16 game schedule with 2 games at each site. Now if they had six or seven teams, the practicality of the NCAA rules says you can't play twice. FWIW the interlock was unfair for the same reason, with only one game. That's just the statistician in me looking at trying to balance effects evenly over a schedule.
 
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Gotta say 1 thing about Uc's schedule, they only have 9 road games ...very nice for them.......but all 9 are against quality teams
 
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Fishman'81 said:
WS was dominated in terms of shots-on, but the game was much closer than that on the ice.

Smitty wasn't sharp in net for UC, but he wasn't awful, either. He didn't face many shots, but what few opportunities WS had, they pretty much buried. Gotta say that the Owls showed decent team speed and admirable tenacity, even as they were being *out-talented*... They continued to work pretty hard throughout the game, a number of lazy/selfish penalties-taken nonwithstanding.

UC's usual suspects spearheaded the O, but one kid who stood out to me was the Fr. D-man, Adams. He really played a terrific two-way game.

We'll see if Utica can prevail at The Cooler tomorrow night, in a more meaningful contest. (They always seem to struggle in that dump.)
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Regarding Adams, I see he had three assist @ Hob, but on Fri night and on someprevious weeks seems to make some bad (give away) passes.
I was happy to see Heenan finally change the starting lineup. IMOP none of those kids are any better than the other and all should be given a chance to have their names called in front of their classmates. i also noticed Heenan started rolling the lines GREAT ! I have missed the agressivness of the Marshall kid although Gaffney had a great hit. Go UC.
 
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NUProf said:
That's what I find a little "odd" about the ECAC West schedule (or for that matter any league that does the triple round robin schedule. Inevitably somebody is treated unfairly because they have to play an extra game at Utica or Manhattanville. With only 5 teams in the league, I would think they would play a 16 game schedule with 2 games at each site. Now if they had six or seven teams, the practicality of the NCAA rules says you can't play twice. FWIW the interlock was unfair for the same reason, with only one game. That's just the statistician in me looking at trying to balance effects evenly over a schedule.
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Hockey East uses the same formula. Not sure exactly why, but it does allow for less travel between far-flung locations, and 3 H2H games instead of 2 for all the teams involved. That should be more likely to shake out the better teams. (The bigger the sample, the more accurate the results tend to be, if I remember my own stats classes.)

This can certainly be a bit unfair to any given team one year, but then to its advantage the next, and things even-out over the course of consecutive seasons... And, importantly, it's imperative that W teams schedule as many OOC games as they can for comparative purposes vis-a-vis the D-3 selection process, where the W has to sit outside on the curb and beg for crumbs. Freeing up a little more time to squeeze those games in is crucial to getting post-season invites.
 
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bear1537 said:
Regarding Adams, I see he had three assist @ Hob, but on Fri night and on someprevious weeks seems to make some bad (give away) passes.
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Yes, I hardly noticed #3 in the first few games, unless he made a bad pass in his own end. (He did that a couple of times against Elmira, if memory serves.)

He looked pretty flashy vs. an admittedly over-manned Westfield State team; I just hope he can bring it in the conference play down the road... I like his accurate slapper from the point, but what I'd really like to see is him being a shut-down D-man when facing the speed of Neumann, EC and M'ville. Time will tell.
 
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Fishman'81 said:
Hockey East uses the same formula. Not sure exactly why, but it does allow for less travel between far-flung locations, and 3 H2H games instead of 2 for all the teams involved. That should be more likely to shake out the better teams. (The bigger the sample, the more accurate the results tend to be, if I remember my own stats classes.)

This can certainly be a bit unfair to any given team one year, but then to its advantage the next, and things even-out over the course of consecutive seasons... And, importantly, it's imperative that W teams schedule as many OOC games as they can for comparative purposes vis-a-vis the D-3 selection process, where the W has to sit outside on the curb and beg for crumbs. Freeing up a little more time to squeeze those games in is crucial to getting post-season invites.
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All of this is true, it's just that I don't like to see random factors deciding championships. As far as that goes, don't ask me about MLB's scheduling practice and divisions. Mathematically/statistically it just makes no sense.

As for the concept that "over the years it evens out," that doesn't help a team that has one only one shot at it, and then loses a big senior class. Totally a theoretical idea, but that's what I trade in.
 
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At Colgate University the ushers "Won't let you back to your seats" during play until there's a whistle. Seems to work fairly well !
 
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