USCHO Music Thread 2: Rock On, Amigo.

[Gurtholfin]

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The Growlers - Are You In or Out?

 

[Gurtholfin]

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This morning: U2 - 8/16/92 Washington DC ZooTV Outside Broadcast

My favorite of their tours and I saw them several times on the J-Tree tour. Loved the Zoo shows.


Now:

Just grabbed Eric Clapton - 4/18/87 at the Civic Aud in St. Paul.

4 piece band that includes Phil Collins on drums. So many don't realize how good a drummer he is. His work with Genesis shows serious chops and then the times that he's been asked to tour with people like Robert Plant and here with Clapton.

Loving this.


Also grabbed Daniel Lanois 2/8/90 from London (Acadie Tour) that I'll listen to later.

 

[St. Clown]

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So a couple weeks ago I came across a blog that did these comparisons of music's most notable acts and then more current acts of lesser distinction. The comparisons were mostly in the number of albums sold and how many #1 hits various acts have had, and million copy sales figures. And it hit me as a really bad set of comparisons. It should be noted, the site was making these comparisons to create indignation, that such legendary groups like the Beatles and Led Zeppelin should be out-shined by the likes of the Spice Girls in these music industry metrics is in direct conflict with the quality of impact they've had on the industry as a whole. I might search for the link when I get home from work, if people are actually interested.

Firstly, and most significantly, in the 80's (and even into the 70's) we had huge advancements in the portability of music. Until the release of 8-track tapes, music was limited to those huge record platters, difficult to fit a player in your car's dash. With that increased portability, you're going to see higher sales figures. Of course some one-hit wonder is going to outsell the Beatles top performing record - people can take music anywhere now. Add that, over the years, the American public has become more and more a collectors society when it comes to media. We put more of our income, as a percentage, into music and movies these days than in years past.

Secondly, you don't see as much of a moralistic reaction to music now as you did in the 50's, 60's and 70's. We've become much more permissive, for better or worse. That should translate into kids purchasing more pop music that parents would have forbidden once upon a time. Open the spigot, and more water will come out, but so will more crap.

 

[Gurtholfin]

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Ranking anything other than "Top Selling Artists of All Time" on total sales is a pointless exercise.

 

[rufus]

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This morning: U2 - 8/16/92 Washington DC ZooTV Outside Broadcast

My favorite of their tours and I saw them several times on the J-Tree tour. Loved the Zoo shows.


Now:

Just grabbed Eric Clapton - 4/18/87 at the Civic Aud in St. Paul.

4 piece band that includes Phil Collins on drums. So many don't realize how good a drummer he is. His work with Genesis shows serious chops and then the times that he's been asked to tour with people like Robert Plant and here with Clapton.

Loving this.


Also grabbed Daniel Lanois 2/8/90 from London (Acadie Tour) that I'll listen to later.

He produced, drummed, and sang backup vox on John Martyn's Glorious Fool album, which was my introduction to John Martyn, sort of a second career comeback for him(the first artist Genesis signed to their own Duke Records label), and a great album.

Still, it must really still pizz him off that he developed his signature drum style for Peter Gabriel's third solo record, at Gabriel's insistence. At the time Gabriel was really concerned about cymbals and hi-hats with the drums, that they masked some of the same frequencies as the vocals, so he was trying to create drum sounds and patterns without using them. Forced the drummers to play outside of their normal styles.

 

[St. Clown]

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Ranking anything other than "Top Selling Artists of All Time" on total sales is a pointless exercise.

Based upon certified album sales, both Mariah Carey and Celine Dion are better than Pink Floyd. Like I said earlier, buying trends changed over time. What would the Pink Floyd, the Beatles (still #1 overall, BTW), etc. numbers have looked like had they been releasing all new work during the time of tapes and CDs - portable music?

 

[solovsfett]

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He produced, drummed, and sang backup vox on John Martyn's Glorious Fool album, which was my introduction to John Martyn, sort of a second career comeback for him(the first artist Genesis signed to their own Duke Records label), and a great album.

Still, it must really still pizz him off that he developed his signature drum style for Peter Gabriel's third solo record, at Gabriel's insistence. At the time Gabriel was really concerned about cymbals and hi-hats with the drums, that they masked some of the same frequencies as the vocals, so he was trying to create drum sounds and patterns without using them. Forced the drummers to play outside of their normal styles.

Phil Collins is a great drummer. He can play jazz, rock, whatever. His solo career unfortunately obscures that fact amongst the general public.

Re: Pete Gabriel and cymbals/hi-hats...as a drummer myself that's always been a concern of mine. Listening to demos and hearing cymbal hits or open hi-hat bits that detract from vocals or even guitar parts, the gd hi-hat when played open really eats up the mid-section space

 

[solovsfett]

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hi guys,

here's a quick shameless plug...my band posted a new song "Here Comes Irregular" (yes, we're riffing off The Replacements for that title) here: http://likelikethethethedeath.bandcamp.com/

 

[The Rube]

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Ranking anything other than "Top Selling Artists of All Time" on total sales is a pointless exercise.

Even that is pointless, to an extent. LPs, cassettes, etc wore out, and you had to buy a new copy. For digital copies, 99% of the time you buy it once, and it's on multiple devices of yours. Add to that, all the bootlegging that is being done now and in the past (like Napster, etc) affected music sales quite a bit.

 

[rufus]

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Today for the commute home: Julian Cope's Peggy Suicide. An underrated gem from the early 90's.

 

[Gurtholfin]

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Sugar Ray - Floored


Hilarious that Fly was the single from this album. It's nothing like the rest of the album.

How many people bought based on fly and went w t f?

 

[St. Clown]

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Sugar Ray - Floored


Hilarious that Fly was the single from this album. It's nothing like the rest of the album.

How many people bought based on fly and went w t f?

Me. I did end up thinking much of it was decent, but not something I'd listen to on heavy rotation.

 

[SJHovey]

Re: USCHO Music Thread 2: Rock On, Amigo.

So a couple weeks ago I came across a blog that did these comparisons of music's most notable acts and then more current acts of lesser distinction. The comparisons were mostly in the number of albums sold and how many #1 hits various acts have had, and million copy sales figures. And it hit me as a really bad set of comparisons. It should be noted, the site was making these comparisons to create indignation, that such legendary groups like the Beatles and Led Zeppelin should be out-shined by the likes of the Spice Girls in these music industry metrics is in direct conflict with the quality of impact they've had on the industry as a whole. I might search for the link when I get home from work, if people are actually interested.

Firstly, and most significantly, in the 80's (and even into the 70's) we had huge advancements in the portability of music. Until the release of 8-track tapes, music was limited to those huge record platters, difficult to fit a player in your car's dash. With that increased portability, you're going to see higher sales figures. Of course some one-hit wonder is going to outsell the Beatles top performing record - people can take music anywhere now. Add that, over the years, the American public has become more and more a collectors society when it comes to media. We put more of our income, as a percentage, into music and movies these days than in years past.

Secondly, you don't see as much of a moralistic reaction to music now as you did in the 50's, 60's and 70's. We've become much more permissive, for better or worse. That should translate into kids purchasing more pop music that parents would have forbidden once upon a time. Open the spigot, and more water will come out, but so will more crap.

In general I think any sort of ranking based upon sales is kind of silly, but I do think artists such as the Beatles, LZ, etc..., have one advantage over more modern groups. That's simply the passage of time and changes in technology that accompany it.

The Beatles have had 50 years to sell some of their albums. An album that came out in 2005 has had less than 10. Also, once music went digital, no one ever buys multiple copies. I have some old Stones, Who and Springsteen albums that I purchased in 3-4 different formats, from the original record album, to cassettes, to cd's. That has definitely inflated the numbers for many artists.

 

[Gurtholfin]

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Genesis - 3/19/77 Dallas


Chester Thompson on drums and Steve Hackett's last year with the band.

Probably one of the shows recorded for Seconds Out.

 

[The Rube]

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Sugar Ray - Floored


Hilarious that Fly was the single from this album. It's nothing like the rest of the album.

How many people bought based on fly and went w t f?

Love this song:
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[Gurtholfin]

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Love this song:
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I actually love that song too. I'm sure there's a lot of detractors, but I find this band to be an awful lot of fun.

It's like two completely different bands and I like both.

The pop songs are well crafted and of the highest quality and the heavy/punk side is fun and actually has a decent edge to it.

 

[Gurtholfin]

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Airborne Toxic Event - Playlist from all three albums


Probably my favorite new-ish alternative-ish band.

Their latest album was disappointing (to me) though.

 

[The Rube]

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I actually love that song too. I'm sure there's a lot of detractors, but I find this band to be an awful lot of fun.

It's like two completely different bands and I like both.

The pop songs are well crafted and of the highest quality and the heavy/punk side is fun and actually has a decent edge to it.

What strangely impressed me the most....the lead singer of Sugar Ray (forget his name at the moment, too lazy to Google) OWNED Rock'N'Roll Jeopardy on VH1 back in the day. He was THE Ken Jennings of music. Absolutely destroyed anyone/everyone at it. Major respect.

Edit: Mark McGrath? (no Google)

 

[St. Clown]

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Yes, Mark McGrath be his name says I.

 

[The Rube]

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Yes, Mark McGrath be his name says I.

Smart mutha-effer when it came to music. He knew what he loved, and he knew what he had to do to get paid. A beggar's KISS, for comparison. He knew his sh*.