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USCHO-3 Fantasy College Hockey League, 2012-2013 Season

Re: USCHO-3 Fantasy College Hockey League, 2012-2013 Season

FS23... if you don't want Hartzell, you could snipe someone else from that roster. But Hartzell would be frozen to everyone as he was only available to you as a snipe.
 
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So who is the final authority on this issue? I've taken the snipes (they've been released), I just haven't added them to my roster. Are there published rules somewhere? Apparently there may be past precedent allowing snipes to be added to the roster after the puck drop of the first game.

I challenge FiveHole's (my opponent this weekend) interpretation of the rules! Why should it matter when I add the snipe? Isn't the purpose of the snipe to improve my chances of winning/reward for winning last week? What's the logic behind not being able to add the snipe after the first game of the weekend? This is an outrage! :p:D:D
 
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The Rules were posted on March 13th... Post #60. If you interpret "Snipes must be taken BEFORE the start of the first game of the next round" to mean anything than what it says, then have at it.

Playoff Rules are published at the FCH League site, under the 'My League' tab. There is no mention of snipes. It is my understanding that snipes were added a few years ago by the GM's. Last season being my first season playing FCH, I took note of all the playoff rules and 'addendum's.
I checked with bigblue and zudnic on last year's playoff rules and they agreed that this is what they were a year ago. They ok'd the rules posted here before I posted them on 3/13.
 
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FiveHole12 said:
The Rules were posted on March 13th... Post #60. If you interpret "Snipes must be taken BEFORE the start of the first game of the next round" to mean anything than what it says, then have at it.
How'd you snipe Kyle Rau? Just curious.
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Who came up with the rules?

I interpret snipe meaning to pick the players that you wish to remove from another roster. This is the trouble we get into when using slang for rules. To "snipe" is to take a shot at an enemy...not to pick up the body and bring it back.

I "sniped" Rau to get him on the Free Agent Wire. Then, i was able to use one of my 4 Bench/Free Agent moves to pick him up. Basically, there were two separate actions: 1) The "snipe", and 2) the Roster move.

My thoughts are that it doesn't hurt anyone (except potentially you) by allowing the "sniped" player to be added in the same manner as any other bench/free agent transaction. Why make it more difficult on the person when the snipe option was created (I assume) to benefit the victor from the previous week?
 
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See my edited post. But to answer your question, I don't know who came up with the rules.
Here's another interpretation... your snipe isn't a snipe until you add him to your roster. If you leave him exposed in the free agent pool after the start of the first playoff game, he's fair game to all. :D
Drop your NoDak goalie, and he's automatically fair game in the free agent pool (that's the regular rules). ;) :D :p
 
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FiveHole12 said:
See my edited post. But to answer your question, I don't know who came up with the rules.
Here's another interpretation... your snipe isn't a snipe until you add him to your roster. If you leave him exposed in the free agent pool after the start of the first playoff game, he's fair game to all. :D
Drop your NoDak goalie, and he's automatically fair game in the free agent pool (that's the regular rules). ;) :D :p
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So what you are saying is, that snipes are what I was arguing for (the removal of the player), but that they are only protected until puck drop of the first game?
 
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Fighting Sioux 23 said:
So what you are saying is, that snipes are what I was arguing for (the removal of the player), but that they are only protected until puck drop of the first game?
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No, I replied in jest. The rule is pretty clear, I think.

The snipe is only accessible to the team that won him, up until the drop of the puck of the first playoff game. After that, he can't be acquired, as players on all rosters of teams that have been eliminated are frozen. No one else can acquire your snipe. Your reward for winning is being able to acquire 2 good players that would not be available to you, or anyone else, in the free agent pool.

In this case, you have taken advantage of the snipe you already added to your roster (Rau), but are looking to capitalize on one player competing on Friday, then drop him and add the other snipe the next day (any easy win, IMO). My guess is the folks who made the snipe rule took this into consideration when they added snipes to the playoffs and stated you only had until the drop of the puck of the first playoff game to add the snipe to your roster (similar to the 12 hour rule for picking up free agents.)

I think you bring up some valid points, but we are in the middle of the stream and can't change horses. So, you have to decide on adding Hartzell now and get the advantage of possibly some big points on Saturday, or go with the NoDak guy. You can't take advantage of both. That's the intent of the rule, as I understand it.
 
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FS23... you have brought up valid points earlier in the season regarding free agents, time zone advantages, etc, as well some now. I think you should put it all together and present it to everyone here for discussion on making changes for next season's FCHrules. A solid Rule Book in writing, agreed upon by committee, would be a good thing. I nominate you as official rule writer and chairman of the board. :)
 
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FiveHole12 said:
No, I replied in jest. The rule is pretty clear, I think.

The snipe is only accessible to the team that won him, up until the drop of the puck of the first playoff game. After that, he can't be acquired, as players on all rosters of teams that have been eliminated are frozen. No one else can acquire your snipe. Your reward for winning is being able to acquire 2 good players that would not be available to you, or anyone else, in the free agent pool.

In this case, you have taken advantage of the snipe you already added to your roster (Rau), but are looking to capitalize on one player competing on Friday, then drop him and add the other snipe the next day (any easy win, IMO). My guess is the folks who made the snipe rule took this into consideration when they added snipes to the playoffs and stated you only had until the drop of the puck of the first playoff game to add the snipe to your roster (similar to the 12 hour rule for picking up free agents.)

I think you bring up some valid points, but we are in the middle of the stream and can't change horses. So, you have to decide on adding Hartzell now and get the advantage of possibly some big points on Saturday, or go with the NoDak guy. You can't take advantage of both. That's the intent of the rule, as I understand it.
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Ridiculous. The rule is far from clear. Fortunately for you, you get to interpret the rule.

I'm not trying to "game" the system (I have both North Dakota goalies). I'm simply trying to use the "snipe" to my advantage. Apparently that is frowned upon. It's truly a joke. There is absolutely zero reason why snipes can't be added at any point so long as you are within the 4 transactions/week. Absolutely zero.

Who cares that we are in "the middle of the stream[?]" There is no rule that says that we can't change interpretations. Absolute joke...
 
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FiveHole12 said:
FS23... you have brought up valid points earlier in the season regarding free agents, time zone advantages, etc, as well some now. I think you should put it all together and present it to everyone here for discussion on making changes for next season's FCHrules. A solid Rule Book in writing, agreed upon by committee, would be a good thing. I nominate you as official rule writer and chairman of the board. :)
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I'll accept if there is sufficient support. ;)

My first rule...

:p:D:D
 
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Fighting Sioux 23 said:
Ridiculous. The rule is far from clear. Fortunately for you, you get to interpret the rule.

I'm not trying to "game" the system (I have both North Dakota goalies). I'm simply trying to use the "snipe" to my advantage. Apparently that is frowned upon. It's truly a joke. There is absolutely zero reason why snipes can't be added at any point so long as you are within the 4 transactions/week. Absolutely zero.

Who cares that we are in "the middle of the stream[?]" There is no rule that says that we can't change interpretations. Absolute joke...
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Why didn't you bring this up on March 13th when the rules were posted?
I'm not interpreting anything. What in the posted rules is not clear to you?
 
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Fighting Sioux 23 said:
Ridiculous. The rule is far from clear. Fortunately for you, you get to interpret the rule.

I'm not trying to "game" the system (I have both North Dakota goalies). I'm simply trying to use the "snipe" to my advantage. Apparently that is frowned upon. It's truly a joke. There is absolutely zero reason why snipes can't be added at any point so long as you are within the 4 transactions/week. Absolutely zero.

Who cares that we are in "the middle of the stream[?]" There is no rule that says that we can't change interpretations. Absolute joke...
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I personally have no problem with FS23 dropping a UND goalie to pickup Hartzell once the starter for UND vs Niagara is announced so he can do it on Friday. I think that is a perfectly valid result.
 
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Whatever the league and any other FCH members want to decide is fine by me.
Should I delete the posted rules?

Edit: Forget a vote on this issue. I'll go along with: FS23 can add Hartzell before the start of the NoDak/Niagra game.

Stupid snipe anyway... he's going -6 on Sunday. :D :p
 
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FiveHole12 said:
Whatever the league and any other FCH members want to decide is fine by me.
Should I delete the posted rules?
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No, you can leave them. I think this is an exceptional situation where someone has 2 goalies from one team and the timing works out just right. In my opinion the spirit of the original rule won't be infringed upon if FS23 waits until he knows which UND goalie is starting the first game, and drops the other one for Hartzel even after the noon deadline. As long as the non starter for UND is either dropped or on the bench before puck drop of the UND game and the same non-starter is dropped for Hartzel before the start of Quinnipiac's game, I don't have a problem with what he's doing.

The spirit of the rule is to prevent someone from waiting to pickup a snipe player that plays Saturday until after he/she is able to drop a player he/she started on Friday.

Hashing this out and establishing set rules in the offseason would be a good idea.
 
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Ahhh... there's the word I was looking for... SPIRIT!

Go Eagles! Go Canisius! RAH, RAH, RAH!!! ;) :D
 
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Put an email in to zudnic via USCHO around 4:15 EST about dropping the players I would like from SomethingBrewing. Just posting here in case he sees this first.
 
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FiveHole12 said:
Edit: Forget a vote on this issue. I'll go along with: FS23 can add Hartzell before the start of the NoDak/Niagra game.
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The Pyrrhic Victory is the sweetest. :p:D:D

bigblue_dl said:
Hashing this out and establishing set rules in the offseason would be a good idea.
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I can certainly put together a proposed rule book (assuming no objections). Then we can all comment on and I'll leave it up to the higher-ups to ultimately make the decisions. I'll try to have that together by this summer.

Also, if people would like, I can put together an alternate proposed rule book for a keeper league.
 
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FiveHole relented but the rule clearly stated that you have to make your moves before the start of the 1st game.
 
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FiveHole12 said:
Whatever the league and any other FCH members want to decide is fine by me.
Should I delete the posted rules?

Edit: Forget a vote on this issue. I'll go along with: FS23 can add Hartzell before the start of the NoDak/Niagra game.

Stupid snipe anyway... he's going -6 on Sunday. :D :p
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Just a reminder... here's what I agreed on. NOT ONE SECOND LATER, SON. :cool:
 
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