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US National Teams: U30s & Mrs. Potter, U22s, U18s Part II

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pokechecker said:
can't blame the loss against Finland on the officials
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There's some question about that. It looked like Noora got beat at least two times in which the referee didn't count the goal (possibly as many as four times). However, there was no video review available.

That said, Noora played an amazing game. I knew going in that it would be difficult for the U.S. to get two goals by her. I don't think anybody expected Finland to get three of their own, particularly getting the first two just 9 seconds apart.

Just to clarify the two penalties on Noora -- the first was for putting the puck over the glass (which was automatic), and the second was for knocking the net off its mooring (ref's judgment call).
 
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Good to see that the U.S. dominated Sweden in the 3rd Place game. But with the Olympics now just two months away losing (again) to Canada and then to Finland is a cause for concern. And in particular it seems that although most games have been close we've now lost a number of games in a row to Canada and they currently have a clear edge. If anyone has any theories as to what needs to be done to reverse the recent trend, please share.
 
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Getting healthy would probably help. Based on nothing but the numbers from Four Nations it also looks like the goaltending is an issue.
 
Eeyore said:
Based on nothing but the numbers from Four Nations it also looks like the goaltending is an issue.
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In the Finland game, the first and third goals against were deflections. Vetter was also badly screened on the third one. Not much a goaltender can do in those situations.
 
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Eeyore said:
Getting healthy would probably help. Based on nothing but the numbers from Four Nations it also looks like the goaltending is an issue.
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Hmmm, who has been saying this for several years? Umm, MEEEE! :roll eyes:
 
Re: US National Teams: U30s & Mrs. Potter, U22s, U18s Part II

It looks like Stecklein, Dunne, and Chesson didn't play, either.
 
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Eeyore said:
It looks like Stecklein, Dunne, and Chesson didn't play, either.
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Healthy scratches or are they really hurt? Dunne is by far the American's youngest player and Stecklein, with three years of college eligibility remaining, is obviously very young too.
 
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D2D said:
Healthy scratches or are they really hurt? Dunne is by far the American's youngest player and Stecklein, with three years of college eligibility remaining, is obviously very young too.
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Maybe, but it doesn't say much for the selection process if there are players there who are going to be healthy scratches in favor of a short bench.
 
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Eeyore said:
Maybe, but it doesn't say much for the selection process if there are players there who are going to be healthy scratches in favor of a short bench.
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I thought they still needed to make at least three cuts to select the final Olympic team. So if it was only these three that didn't play, how does that leave them with a short bench? Hopefully they are not injured and it's just a matter of giving everybody a good look. That said, it sure would be nice to have a healthy Amanda Kessel available in February. Best of luck to her!
 
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Eeyore said:
Maybe, but it doesn't say much for the selection process if there are players there who are going to be healthy scratches in favor of a short bench.
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Where are you getting the short bench from? For example, Stecklein was listed in the live stats versus Finland. The team has I believe 24 skaters, minus those who are injured. If you can only dress 18, there will always be healthy scratches.
 
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ARM said:
Where are you getting the short bench from? For example, Stecklein was listed in the live stats versus Finland. The team has I believe 24 skaters, minus those who are injured. If you can only dress 18, there will always be healthy scratches.
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The box scores show other teams with as many as 20 skaters in a game. So either the box scores are goofy (which is certainly possible) or the U.S. was dressing fewer skaters than were allowed.
 
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Eeyore said:
The box scores show other teams with as many as 20 skaters in a game. So either the box scores are goofy (which is certainly possible) or the U.S. was dressing fewer skaters than were allowed.
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Other than exhibitions, the limit is usually 18 skaters dressed. My guess is that the boxscores are goofy and the scratches weren't entered. If the point is to win the Olympics and 18 is the limit there, I would just dress 18 (per game) in this tournament which is essentially a dress rehearsal. I don't know that it was always the same 18.
 
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Eeyore said:
It looks like Stecklein, Dunne, and Chesson didn't play, either.
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Stecklein played one game, Chesson played at least one game, and I have it on good authority that Dunne was a healthy scratch and actually was expecting to play one game.

Yes, the U.S. played one fewer than the max... I believe that was against Finland.

And yes, they have to make 4 cuts to get down to the finalized Olympic roster.
 
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CrazyDave said:
Stecklein played one game, Chesson played at least one game, and I have it on good authority that Dunne was a healthy scratch and actually was expecting to play one game.
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So Dunne didn't play any games? That seems a shame.
 
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CrazyDave said:
Stecklein played one game, Chesson played at least one game, and I have it on good authority that Dunne was a healthy scratch and actually was expecting to play one game.

Yes, the U.S. played one fewer than the max... I believe that was against Finland.

And yes, they have to make 4 cuts to get down to the finalized Olympic roster.
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I simply can't understand why the US would short themselves a player on the bench if they have someone healthy available - what is the cost associated with it - too annoying for the coaches to have a player they likely won't play on the bench? As an absolute minimum it is beneficial to have the players dressed and engaged, even if they don't play. Imagine gettng through the selection process as a player and then sitting in the stands while there is an empty spot on the bench - that is demoralizing. Perhaps this is an attempt by the coaches to motivate the healthy players they sat, but if you aren't already motivated by the opportunity to be on the Olympic team then this probably won't get it done...
 
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