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US National Teams: U30s & Mrs. Potter, U22s, U18s Part II

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I would have liked to have seen a true U 22 team sent ot Calgary. Did some quick math and the overagers combined for 13 points on the 12 goals. The Lams had 10 pts between them. Steadman picked up 2 goals with Schleper getting 1. It doesn't seem that we have a U 22 program similar to Canada's. Why not? Certainly our national team is younger in general, but there tends to be a gap between U 18 and the national team.
 
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clarksoncluck said:
I would have liked to have seen a true U 22 team sent ot Calgary. Did some quick math and the overagers combined for 13 points on the 12 goals. The Lams had 10 pts between them. Steadman picked up 2 goals with Schleper getting 1. It doesn't seem that we have a U 22 program similar to Canada's. Why not? Certainly our national team is younger in general, but there tends to be a gap between U 18 and the national team.
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Re: US National Teams: U30s & Mrs. Potter, U22s, U18s Part II

clarksoncluck said:
I would have liked to have seen a true U 22 team sent ot Calgary. Did some quick math and the overagers combined for 13 points on the 12 goals. The Lams had 10 pts between them. Steadman picked up 2 goals with Schleper getting 1. It doesn't seem that we have a U 22 program similar to Canada's. Why not? Certainly our national team is younger in general, but there tends to be a gap between U 18 and the national team.
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There's also no "intermediate age" world championships on the women's side like the U20 "World Juniors" on the men's side. The only under-age version is the U18s.
 
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CrazyDave said:
There's also no "intermediate age" world championships on the women's side like the U20 "World Juniors" on the men's side. The only under-age version is the U18s.
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I don't think there has to be anything to play for(World Championship) for this age group. Why bring in other teams just to beat up on, then have a good game vs Canada in the finals. Keep the U22 team U22 & play a series with Canada U22 to use for evaluations, who cares who wins. I think that this would help in selecting the right players for an Olympic team.
 
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hawkeefan said:
I don't think there has to be anything to play for(World Championship) for this age group. Why bring in other teams just to beat up on, then have a good game vs Canada in the finals. Keep the U22 team U22 & play a series with Canada U22 to use for evaluations, who cares who wins. I think that this would help in selecting the right players for an Olympic team.
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I'm not saying that it was right to "stack" the U22 team with over-age players for the series.

But the question was why USA Hockey doesn't have a U22 program like Canada and one reply (not mine) was money; and I don't see money coming without something like a World Championship to play for.

As for evaluations, that was the whole purpose for the week-long National Festival that took place prior to the two series vs. Canada. There were several scrimmages that occurred between the different squads to help with said evaluations. While there might have been some evaluating going on during the series (more likely at the U18 games than the U22 games), those games were about bragging rights.

Oh, and to pull another comment from a previous post, Canada has sent over-age players with their U22 squad to the Meco/MLP/enter-sponsor-name-here Cup tournament. They even call the team the "U22/Development Team" to specify that it's not always strictly U22.
 
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hawkeefan said:
I don't think there has to be anything to play for(World Championship) for this age group. Why bring in other teams just to beat up on, then have a good game vs Canada in the finals. Keep the U22 team U22 & play a series with Canada U22 to use for evaluations, who cares who wins. I think that this would help in selecting the right players for an Olympic team.
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Every year, Canada sends their U22 squad to the MLP cup, a tournament of Canada U22 vs the National teams of Sweden, Finland, Germany and Switzerland. Clearly part of their development program, giving the U22's good competition. Not sure why the US does not bother. Hard to believe, it is about $$, given the cost of all the other national programs.
 
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Did not mean to single out your quote Dave, pushed wrong icon.

I agree that the National Festival is great for finding talent, but I would rather see us play with the U22's that I am not as familiar with in a series with Canada(no medals given) for three games, & lose the 3 if it helps select the players needed to win the Gold in the Olympics. Did they really need to see the Lams have 10 pts???

I think you are right about bragging rights in these games, who cares unless it is the Worlds or some other big Tournament.
 
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CrazyDave said:
Oh, and to pull another comment from a previous post, Canada has sent over-age players with their U22 squad to the Meco/MLP/enter-sponsor-name-here Cup tournament. They even call the team the "U22/Development Team" to specify that it's not always strictly U22.
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That is correct. The Team Canada squad that goes to the MLP/Meco cup is not a pure U22 team. Usually a couple of fringe National team players are added. Note that all the other teams in that event are National teams, not U22 teams.

My point in an earlier posting was that the TC U22 team that plays vs the US in August has always been a pure U22 team.

I find it interesting that over the last 6 years or so, since the inception of the U18 worlds, the US has for the most part been the better team at U18, but Canada the better team at U22.
 
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OnMAA said:
Every year, Canada sends their U22 squad to the MLP cup, a tournament of Canada U22 vs the National teams of Sweden, Finland, Germany and Switzerland. Clearly part of their development program, giving the U22's good competition. Not sure why the US does not bother.
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Whatever the reason that the US does not participate, I'm glad for it. There is already enough disruption in the NCAA schedule with 4 Nations and holiday camps. Canada also has another camp in September just as college practices are getting underway. I'm glad that the US doesn't pluck additional players off their college rosters in January to play a meaningless tournament against European national teams. USA hockey has shown a bit more sensitivity to the dilemma facing these players in the past, such as when Canada required their players to miss the 2004 Frozen Four for a pre-Worlds camp. Maybe that plays into it.
 
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ARM said:
Whatever the reason that the US does not participate, I'm glad for it. There is already enough disruption in the NCAA schedule with 4 Nations and holiday camps. Canada also has another camp in September just as college practices are getting underway. I'm glad that the US doesn't pluck additional players off their college rosters in January to play a meaningless tournament against European national teams. USA hockey has shown a bit more sensitivity to the dilemma facing these players in the past, such as when Canada required their players to miss the 2004 Frozen Four for a pre-Worlds camp. Maybe that plays into it.
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It would be very workable if they do it during the Xmas break, similar to the Boys U20. If I'm not mistaken, MLP cup is now first week in January. If memory serves me correctly it used to be later in January at one point, more disruptive for sure. I recall at one point one Harvard player choosing Harvard over TC U22.
 
ARM said:
Whatever the reason that the US does not participate, I'm glad for it. There is already enough disruption in the NCAA schedule with 4 Nations and holiday camps. Canada also has another camp in September just as college practices are getting underway. I'm glad that the US doesn't pluck additional players off their college rosters in January to play a meaningless tournament against European national teams. USA hockey has shown a bit more sensitivity to the dilemma facing these players in the past, such as when Canada required their players to miss the 2004 Frozen Four for a pre-Worlds camp. Maybe that plays into it.
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Money is number one, and not upsetting the NCAA apple cart any more than they already do is a close second.
 
Re: US National Teams: U30s & Mrs. Potter, U22s, U18s Part II

Hux what you mean by money, is lack of and what you mean by lack of is lack of interest by USA Hockey to spend it on the women's program.......
 
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Any word on a roster for the Winter Training Camp that usually takes place at the end of December? Obviously the U18s won't be there due to their IIHF championship, but there's still usually a good lineup and some exciting scrimmages.
 
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US Women's National Team's (U30s) Hilary Knight goes top shelf in CWHL action with the Boston Blades.
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