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US Foreign Policy: The Wogs Begin at Calais

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joecct said:
If you're Turkey do you close the Dardanelles and the Bosphorus Strait?

If I'm V.V., I'm warming up the Black Sea Fleet and whatever is in the Med. Sabre rattling and Russians don't turn the other cheek.
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No. Hell no.

You don't fan the flames. That would basically be pleading with Russia to turn you into South Crimea.
 
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joecct said:
If you're Turkey do you close the Dardanelles and the Bosphorus Strait?

If I'm V.V., I'm warming up the Black Sea Fleet and whatever is in the Med. Sabre rattling and Russians don't turn the other cheek.
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The last thing Putin wants is an overt war. He is getting what he wants by covert means. An outright confrontation would also expose Russian military tech as P.O.S.

I expect Vlad to make a very flowery "statesmanlike call for calm," while on the back-channel playing the ice cube / lit match game with Erdogen.
 
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Kepler said:
The last thing Putin wants is an overt war. He is getting what he wants by covert means. An outright confrontation would also expose Russian military tech as P.O.S.

I expect Vlad to make a very flowery "statesmanlike call for calm," while on the back-channel playing the ice cube / lit match game with Erdogen.
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US military analysts say that Russian logistics and equipment are good for defending their nation, but not well-suited for projecting military power over great distances for sustained periods of time. So if they're up against a power of equal strength (not many in the world), they would eventually lose if the other force can hold them to a stalemate for some period of time.
 
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joecct said:
If you're Turkey do you close the Dardanelles and the Bosphorus Strait?

If I'm V.V., I'm warming up the Black Sea Fleet and whatever is in the Med. Sabre rattling and Russians don't turn the other cheek.
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For two years, my daughter had an apartment on the European shore of the Bosphorus. Not many places where you can watch dolphins and Russian submarines go by in the same sitting.

Turkey may not share a border with Russia, but the Bosphorus functions just like one.
 
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St. Clown said:
US military analysts say that Russian logistics and equipment are good for defending their nation, but not well-suited for projecting military power over great distances for sustained periods of time. So if they're up against a power of equal strength (not many in the world), they would eventually lose if the other force can hold them to a stalemate for some period of time.
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Their logistics and resupply have gotta be crap. I'm sure the warehouse where the arty and chopper parts are kept is empty and one of Vlad's kleptocrat friends sold them to the Sudanese.

We know their AA works, though...
 
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St. Clown said:
US military analysts say that Russian logistics and equipment are good for defending their nation, but not well-suited for projecting military power over great distances for sustained periods of time. So if they're up against a power of equal strength (not many in the world), they would eventually lose if the other force can hold them to a stalemate for some period of time.
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I suspect the Turks will soon be getting a visit from little green men. Shortly thereafter the unrest they cause will "necessitate" Putin to act to protect "Russian interests".
 
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The situation there would be tense in any case, but Erdogan's presence only makes matters worse.
 
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This all reminds me of a story my coworker Bob told me about the time he spent in Ankara in the 80s. Bob was a contractor and his guvvie group leader was a complete douc-hebag. Bob had worked all over the world and the first thing he'd always do was find the local "fixer" and make nice with him. So, every day Bob would come back from lunch with two ice creams, and he'd give one to this unassuming guy who ran the valet service, and the two of them would sit and shoot the sh-t in terrible English about this and that. And the leader would inevitably hassle Bob or give him a ration of sh-t about something stupid in front of his coworkers or the staff or whoever.

So one day Bob and the guy sit down with their ice creams and the guy starts telling Bob about his brother, who works at a greenhouse and drives an old beater truck into Ankara every Monday with huge pallets of crates of flowers to sell at the market. The drive is up twisty mountain roads, and the guy makes a point of looking Bob right in the eye and saying "and sometimes the crates, they fall off the truck and down into the ravine, and are lost forever." And the hair on the back of Bob's head goes up and he realizes he's getting propositioned and that for US$500 this guy is offering to make his boss disappear. The guy's English is terrible, and of course cultural / gesture differences, and Bob spends the rest of his 6-month TDY making absolutely sure the guy doesn't have the wrong idea.

Anyway, that's all I know about Turkey except Kemal Attaturk had an entire menagerie named "Abdul."
 
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