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US Foreign Policy 4.0: making the world safe to flee to if the MAGAts win here

Jesus I swear if you guys understood how ridiculous you sound (or if you heard people say this stuff and be serious about it) the shame you would feel would be palpable.

And before you protest...you are all agreeing with Kepler and his nose in the air takes...

:p :oops:
What? Special tax enclaves are dumb. :p
 
The Germans lead the West now, while the US plays with itself.

In 20 years, the Free World will be protected by a united Europe co-captained by Germans, Poles, and Scandinavians. The American Century didn't even last 80 years. We were a sideshow. A fast food franchise with nukes.
 
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My US-based education implied civil liberties and civil rights had English DNA: common law and Parliamentarianism; Locke and Wilberforce. But there are Continental European ideas which are more expansive. They even defined themselves against the gaps in English traditions.

When the French revolutionaries drew up the Declaration of the Rights of Man and Citizen in August 1789, they aimed to topple the institutions surrounding hereditary monarchy and establish new ones based on the principles of the Enlightenment, a philosophical movement gathering steam in the eighteenth century. The goal of the Enlightenment's proponents was to apply the methods learned from the scientific revolution to the problems of society. Further, its advocates committed themselves to "reason" and "liberty." Knowledge, its followers believed, could only come from the careful study of actual conditions and the application of an individual's reason, not from religious inspiration or traditional beliefs.

This distinction has consequences. The English-speaking world has focused on protecting property and representation: "Government powerful enough to give you everything you want is powerful enough to take everything you have." Continental Europeans went further and recognized these rights remain academic for for most people without including protections against inequality: "Freedom is merely privilege extended Unless enjoyed by one and all."

The Declaration of the Rights of Man and Citizen of 1789 brought together two streams of thought: one springing from the Anglo-American tradition of legal and constitutional guarantees of individual liberties, the other from the Enlightenment's belief that reason should guide all human affairs. Enlightenment writers praised the legal and constitutional guarantees established by the English and the Americans, but they wanted to see them applied everywhere. The French revolutionaries therefore wrote a Declaration of Rights that they hoped would serve as a model in every corner of the world. Reason rather than tradition would be its justification. As a result, "France" or "French" never appears in the articles of the declaration itself, only in its preamble.

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Enlightenment writers had paved the way for the reception of these ideas on the European continent and helped transform English rights into more universally applicable ones. They complained that in France these rights were being violated by despotic, absurd, superstitious, and fanatical institutions. Voltaire, in particular, held out English religious toleration as a model. In their criticism, Montesquieu and Rousseau moved beyond existing institutions, proposing new principles of government based on reason and comparative study.

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These and other criticisms paved the way for a more theoretical consideration of government in general. One of the most influential works of this nature was Montesquieu's Spirit of Laws (1748), which developed a comparative political analysis of the conditions most favorable to liberty. The American Founding Fathers studied this work closely. Rousseau, in his Social Contract of 1762, took the ideas of Montesquieu and also Locke a step further; he argued that all government rested on a social contract (not on divine right, not the Bible, not tradition of any kind) in which "the assembled people" (democracy) determined everything. For him, "the person of the meanest citizen is as sacred and inviolable as that of the first magistrate"; in other words, Rousseau insisted on complete equality (between men).

After all the debates, the Declaration of the Rights of Man and Citizen remained open to modification as the Revolution changed course. In 1793 the National Convention offered a new constitution, which included a modified Declaration of the Rights of Man and Citizen. The new declaration repeated many of the provisions of the first one but added an emphasis on social welfare (Article 21: "Society owes maintenance to unfortunate citizens"). Although the new constitution never went into effect (it was shelved while the country was at war), it and the declaration reflected a growing tension that would henceforth accompany the discussion of rights. Many questions remained to be answered: Should these rights be simple guarantees of legal freedom and equality, or should they encompass more ambitious prospects of social improvement and amelioration? Did rights apply just to legal and political activities, or did they also extend to the social and economic sphere of life?

The Anglosphere is Liberty 1.0. The European Continent is Liberty 2.0. No doubt the rest of the world is working on Liberty 3.0 to rub in our faces that in each instance it didn't stop these free and rational people fron enslaving and pillaging the other 95% of the globe.
 
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So, we're Russia at the turn of the Millenia?
Sans the factional mob warfare (for now).

We've been a dying empire ever since we failed to learn any lessons from Vietnam and the Soviets' Vietnam (Afghanistan), and decided to spend trillions chasing Islamist militias on their home turf. Osama might be sleeping with the fish, but Al Qaeda won the long game.
 
The Germans lead the West now, while the US plays with itself.

In 20 years, the Free World will be protected by a united Europe co-captained by Germans, Poles, and Scandinavians. The American Century didn't even last 80 years. We were a sideshow. A fast food franchise with nukes.
Ummm...you are putting a lot faith in Germany that is probably misplaced and Poland which is 100% misplaced. If they are the future of the West we could be in for some serious chit. The current Polish President is a conservative Trump lover and "patriot" who really only aligns on NATO. Their government is beyond divided and The United Right is very well supported. The Christ Virus is big there...and the government is friggin paramilitary.

I mean I am blood related to Poland...my Grandma left there before the War. I dont qualify for citizenship though because Maternal line only matters if they married a Pole. (I looked into getting a passport last November) Poland is not going to be leading Western Ideals it is going to be Scandinavia and places like Ireland.
 
Yeah...Poland? Leader of the free world? :LOL:

Only if the alternative is the gulag.

Germany is too divided to lead - die Mauer im Kopf is still a thing there, and fashy young men in the eastern states are increasingly expecting to be given jobs that have been going to immigrants.
 
How superpowers die: gradually, then suddenly.

Carney’s government continues to review the purchase of U.S. F-35 fighter jets to explore other options. Carney has said the potential for having more production in Canada is a factor. A proposal by Sweden’s Saab promised that assembly and maintenance of the Saab Gripen fighter jet would take place in Canada.
 
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