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US Foreign Policy 2.0: Have you read Kipling, Mr. Tillerson?

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The Sicatoka said:
Oh boy ... the "peaceful" protests at the Israel border have gone hot.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...trike-ahead-Gaza-protest-health-ministry.html

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/59402...ns-border-trump-protest-us-embassy-jerusalem/

I don't see this ending well ...
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Pull the aid and let them go at it. One way or the other it will be over.

My money's on a Greater Israel from the east bank of the Nile to west bank of the Euphrates. Solve a lot of problems.

<img src="https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6d/Greater_israel.jpg" />
 
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I've long pondered what would happen if the US walked away and said, "We'll be back to talk to whatever is left standing."

That said, I've always loved this joke ...

Things are going badly for Israel. The economy is in a tail spin, inflation is getting higher and immigrants are flooding in from all over. Problems, problems, problems, but what to do?

So the Knesset holds a special session to come up with a solution. After several hours of talk without progress one member stands up and says "Quiet everyone, I've got it, the solution to all our problems. "What?"

We'll declare war on the United States. "Every one is shouting at once. "You're nuts! That's crazy!" "Hear me out!" says the minister. "We declare war. We lose. The United States does what she always does when she defeats a country. She rebuilds everything; our highways, airports, shipping ports, schools, hospitals, factories, and loans us money, and sends us food aid. Our problems would be over.

"Sure," says another minister, "that's if we lose. But what if we win?"
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:D
 
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Kepler said:
Balfour from the POV of a Palestinian.
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I wish the author spent more time specifically detailing how the highlighted portion of Balfour's letter went unfulfilled:

"His Majesty's government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."
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The biggest foreign policy blunder of the 20th century was the Allies sticking a poisoned finger into that region.
 
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FadeToBlack&Gold said:
The biggest foreign policy blunder of the 20th century was the Allies sticking a poisoned finger into that region.
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No choice. Had to take the oil.

Man, the Ottomans must be kicking themselves. If they had just been able to hang on for another few decades they'd be running the world now.
 
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Kepler said:
No choice. Had to take the oil.

Man, the Ottomans must be kicking themselves. If they had just been able to hang on for another few decades they'd be running the world now.
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Erdogan has not conceded.
 
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Why did Orange Boy announce he was leaving Syria? Everything has been ****ed up ever since. I thought he wasn't going to announce things about military maneuvers? And, I thought he was never leaving based on what happened in Iraq?
 
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burd said:
Erdogan has not conceded.
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Erdogan is Mussolini with a slightly better haircut. He's a joke and his nation-state has all the cultural and military might of Spain.

They had their chance and they blew it. But their timing was just barely off as these thing go.
 
Kepler said:
Erdogan is Mussolini with a slightly better haircut. He's a joke and his nation-state has all the cultural and military might of Spain.

They had their chance and they blew it. But their timing was just barely off as these thing go.
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You're 103 years too late, Mr. Churchill.
 
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Kepler said:
Erdogan is Mussolini with a slightly better haircut. He's a joke and his nation-state has all the cultural and military might of Spain.

They had their chance and they blew it. But their timing was just barely off as these thing go.
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He dreams Ottoman, though.
 
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burd said:
He dreams Ottoman, though.
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I had no idea how literally true until I started reading about the founding of the AKP. They see themselves as the de facto continuation of the Ottoman Empire. Now all we need is for Iran to go full Persia and we can party like it's 1699.

But he's still thinking small. Go Neo-Umayyad or go home.

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Kepler said:
I had no idea how literally true until I started reading about the founding of the AKP. They see themselves as the de facto continuation of the Ottoman Empire. Now all we need is for Iran to go full Persia and we can party like it's 1699.

But he's still thinking small. Go Neo-Umayyad or go home.

<img src="https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a9/0d/dd/a90ddd12aa08eca0a1a3c2cb589adbd6.jpg" />
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He (increasingly) runs a country which has enjoyed a key location for thousands of years, and which is dominated by a male culture* that is shockingly prideful. I'm not a world traveler, but a walk down Istiklal on just about any night probably looks like any other cosmo city. But the rest of the country is vulnerable to his version of Trump's "make xxxxx great again" pitch.

* Outside the home.
 
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burd said:
a walk down Istiklal on just about any night probably looks like any other cosmo city. But the rest of the country is vulnerable to his version of Trump's "make xxxxx great again" pitch.

* Outside the home.
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You could say the same thing about much of America. Turkey is still pretty rural. Rural places worship thunder and semen. BFE Everywhere is pretty much the same.
 
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The Trump administration has condemned a suspected chemical weapons strike in Syria and is considering military action. "We are very concerned, when a thing like that can happen, this is about humanity," President Trump said earlier this week.

But humanitarian organizations are challenging the president's commitment to humanity when it comes to Syrian civilians — particularly those seeking refuge in the United States.

In 2016, near the end of Barack Obama's presidency, the U.S. resettled 15,479 Syrian refugees, according to State Department figures. In 2017, the country let in 3,024. So far this year, that number is just 11. By comparison, over the same 3 1/2-month period in 2016, the U.S. accepted 790.

"We are seeing the impact of the Trump administration's words and policy and actions," says Noah Gottschalk, senior policy adviser at Oxfam America. "That slams the door on refugees, and Syrian refugees in particular."
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Tear that mother****er down.

https://www.npr.org/sections/parall...s-year?utm_medium=RSS&utm_campaign=middleeast
 
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