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US Foreign Policy 2.0: Have you read Kipling, Mr. Tillerson?

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Twitch Boy said:
Addams Family/Values was casting gold. You could tell every actor on that set was having the time of their lives. Plus it spawned one of the greatest pinball games of all time :D

Street Fighter II was for his kids - he knew it would probably be his last role and his kids were big fans of the game.
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I think he meant Bardem...Julia died in 1994 ;)
 
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What do you guys think of Matt Bai? I'm not a very sophisticated consumer of political writing, but there are times when he seems especially good. Sometimes not so much. His latest column makes some interesting observations about the recent trend in many countries, including here, toward nationalism.

But Gaddis told me that he now looks at the Cold War as a kind of brief intermission in the longer drama of world events, which is driven less by heady ideology than by nationalist identity and absolutism.

What we’re actually moving toward, in other words, is a continuation of exactly where we had been heading for centuries before the advent of nuclear weapons forced the world to temporarily divide between ideological spheres of influence. We’re going back to the time of czars and kings ensconced behind walls of ethnic pride.

“What’s happening now,” Gaddis said, “is a pretty widespread, fast-moving backlash against internationalism.”
 
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burd said:
What do you guys think of Matt Bai? I'm not a very sophisticated consumer of political writing, but there are times when he seems especially good. Sometimes not so much. His latest column makes some interesting observations about the recent trend in many countries, including here, toward nationalism.

But Gaddis told me that he now looks at the Cold War as a kind of brief intermission in the longer drama of world events, which is driven less by heady ideology than by nationalist identity and absolutism.

What we’re actually moving toward, in other words, is a continuation of exactly where we had been heading for centuries before the advent of nuclear weapons forced the world to temporarily divide between ideological spheres of influence. We’re going back to the time of czars and kings ensconced behind walls of ethnic pride.

“What’s happening now,” Gaddis said, “is a pretty widespread, fast-moving backlash against internationalism.”
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Off topic!
 
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Kepler said:
You just needed to mix it with Puerto Rican actors and you'd have been fine.
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Gladly:

What do you guys think Gotta of Matt Bai? I'm not a very sophisticated consumer of political writing, love but there are times when he seems how especially good. Sometimes not so much. His latest column makes some interesting observations about the recent trend in many countries, including here, toward nationalism.

But Gaddis told me that Rosie he now looks at the Cold War as a kind of brief intermission in the Perez longer drama of world events, which is driven less by heady ideology than by nationalist identity and absolutism.

What we’re actually moving can toward, in other words, is a continuation of exactly where we had been heading for centuries before the advent of nuclear weapons forced the world to temporarily divide between ideological spheres of influence. We’re going back to the time of czars drop and kings ensconced behind walls of ethnic pride.

“What’s happening now,” Gaddis said, “is a pretty the F-bomb widespread, fast-moving backlash against internationalism.”
 
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burd said:
Gladly:

What do you guys think Gotta of Matt Bai? I'm not a very sophisticated consumer of political writing, love but there are times when he seems how especially good. Sometimes not so much. His latest column makes some interesting observations about the recent trend in many countries, including here, toward nationalism.

But Gaddis told me that Rosie he now looks at the Cold War as a kind of brief intermission in the Perez longer drama of world events, which is driven less by heady ideology than by nationalist identity and absolutism.

What we’re actually moving can toward, in other words, is a continuation of exactly where we had been heading for centuries before the advent of nuclear weapons forced the world to temporarily divide between ideological spheres of influence. We’re going back to the time of czars drop and kings ensconced behind walls of ethnic pride.

“What’s happening now,” Gaddis said, “is a pretty the F-bomb widespread, fast-moving backlash against internationalism.”
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Re: US Foreign Policy 2.0: Have you read Kipling, Mr. Tillerson?

I will go to Korea.
- D.D. Eisenhower

"Good Idea!"
D.J. Trump
 
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Trump is so desperate to do just one thing without farking it up, he'd to to NK go discuss breakfast food and claim it was the most important diplomatic accomplishment in the last 100 years. He's too needy and would be too unprepared to do anything but embarrass himself.
 
burd said:
Trump is so desperate to do just one thing without farking it up, he'd to to NK go discuss breakfast food and claim it was the most important diplomatic accomplishment in the last 100 years. He's too needy and would be too unprepared to do anything but embarrass himself.
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tD needs to study this:

@dick_nixon: President Nixon's principles of negotiation and statecraft. - RZ https://twitter.com/dick_nixon/status/971924172074110976/photo/1
 
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burd said:
Trump is so desperate to do just one thing without farking it up, he'd to to NK go discuss breakfast food and claim it was the most important diplomatic accomplishment in the last 100 years. He's too needy and would be too unprepared to do anything but embarrass himself.
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Pretty much. We'll see what happens, but based on America's history with the Norks over the past 60 years, I rate this as a convenient distraction that will amount to little, if anything. And that's the best case scenario. :eek:
 
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joecct said:
Cripes! He only lasted 1.155 threads!
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The Story

President Trump has ousted Secretary of State Rex Tillerson and plans to nominate CIA Director Mike Pompeo to replace him as the nation’s top diplomat, orchestrating a major change to his national security team amid delicate outreach such as possible talks with North Korea, White House officials said Tuesday.

Trump last Friday asked Tillerson to step aside, and the embattled diplomat cut short a trip to Africa on Monday to return to Washington.

Tension between Trump and Tillerson has simmered for many months, but the president and his top diplomat reached a breaking point over the past week, officials said.

The reason for the latest rift was unclear, but Trump and Tillerson have often appeared at odds over policies such as the nuclear deal with Iran and the tone of U.S. diplomacy. A spokesman for Tillerson said the secretary of state “had every intention of staying” in his job and was “unaware of the reason” for his firing.
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Jesus this is getting crazy...
 
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Here's the real reason he got fired. From NY Times.

Secretary of State Rex Tillerson called the poisoning of a former Russian spy in Britain “an egregious act” and added, “It appears that it clearly came from Russia.”
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What's obvious is that Tillerson, for all of his faults and criticisms, was trying to hold things together with spit and glue, whereas Trump wants us to throw everything out the window and get chummy with autocrats.

Whatever agreement they come to with North Korea, no doubt influenced by China and Russia, is likely going to be a major, perhaps even total abdication of America's power and role in the APAC region. The next POTUS and SOS are probably going to have to go to war if they want to undo it.

EDIT: What Scooby posted is clearly the straw that broke the fat orange turd's back, but this runs deeper than that. Tillerson has long-since figured out that Trump is an imbecilic fraud.
 
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