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Union
- Thread starter shelfit
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Oh well, no sweep but they still have 3 times as many wins as last year all before the semester break. Their schedule is going to be much tougher over their final 14 games but I think they have a chance to win or earn ties against Yale, Brown, Dartmouth, Harvard, and RPI. I don’t see them beating anybody else this season. No matter what happens the rest of the way they're far better off than thay were before and they are actually making some forward progress and that's new for this program too.
giwan
Really??!!
Re: Union
Really looks like a tidal shift in attitude and morale. It's where they need to start and the wins will come.
Which coaches are on the hotseat if any this year? Brown changed so they will give a few more years. Others hear any rumors?
Really looks like a tidal shift in attitude and morale. It's where they need to start and the wins will come.
Which coaches are on the hotseat if any this year? Brown changed so they will give a few more years. Others hear any rumors?
Re: Union
Haven't heard anything but here are some changes I'd like to see:
Mercyhurst (might have made a mistake when he looked for new employment, a change here wouldn't hurt)
Lindenwood (I know, this is only his 3rd season, but I think they're getting worse)
RIT (terrible coach, a change here is long overdue)
Yale (he's been there long enough and hasn't done the job)
RPI (but I know it won't happen)
Brown (mistaken hire to begin with)
Providence (time for new blood)
UConn (his ego gets in the way)
Maine (needs to go back to prep school coaching)
Mankato (I know he's a hockey icon because he was part of the Miracle team, but women's hockey isn't his thing)
Haven't heard anything but here are some changes I'd like to see:
Mercyhurst (might have made a mistake when he looked for new employment, a change here wouldn't hurt)
Lindenwood (I know, this is only his 3rd season, but I think they're getting worse)
RIT (terrible coach, a change here is long overdue)
Yale (he's been there long enough and hasn't done the job)
RPI (but I know it won't happen)
Brown (mistaken hire to begin with)
Providence (time for new blood)
UConn (his ego gets in the way)
Maine (needs to go back to prep school coaching)
Mankato (I know he's a hockey icon because he was part of the Miracle team, but women's hockey isn't his thing)
giwan
Really??!!
Re: Union
Mercyhurst can still be another year
Lindenwood Too early
RIT yes a change probably, but won't yet because still riding previous success
Yale Can't say
RPI Why do you say that? I saw you say that once before.
Brown Agree but will get at least 4 yrs
Providence not sure
UConn Not as good as he thinks
Maine I think their contract was just renewed
Mankato Yes needs a change
Mercyhurst can still be another year
Lindenwood Too early
RIT yes a change probably, but won't yet because still riding previous success
Yale Can't say
RPI Why do you say that? I saw you say that once before.
Brown Agree but will get at least 4 yrs
Providence not sure
UConn Not as good as he thinks
Maine I think their contract was just renewed
Mankato Yes needs a change
Regarding RPI, he's only ever had one "really good" year. The rest have varied. I don't think he is one of those coaches who gets the most out of his players or is able to get them to reach their true and full potential. They always seem to underperform overall. His special teams have never been impressive either especially the power play. He's just an average coach that does an average job and gets average results. It's all just very average and bland.
jumbodaddy77
New member
Re: Union
I'm not a close follower but I don't get the criticism of Mankato. They went from no wins to 3 wins in conference and 6 overall so far this season in his second year. Has some good recruits coming in. Looks like the program is progressing. Tough conference. Had a bump in the road versus Union. Union has 0 wins in conference and 3 wins out of conference and people are ecstatic. Obviously different situations but maybe some of the critics can explain the problems they see after just 2 years.
I'm not a close follower but I don't get the criticism of Mankato. They went from no wins to 3 wins in conference and 6 overall so far this season in his second year. Has some good recruits coming in. Looks like the program is progressing. Tough conference. Had a bump in the road versus Union. Union has 0 wins in conference and 3 wins out of conference and people are ecstatic. Obviously different situations but maybe some of the critics can explain the problems they see after just 2 years.
Re: Union
Perhaps RPI isn't very good at mathematical analysis?
Union is trending upward, while Harvard is sliding south. Rather be Union today than Harvard
Perhaps RPI isn't very good at mathematical analysis?
Union is trending upward, while Harvard is sliding south. Rather be Union today than Harvard
Re: Union
So fire 1/3 of the D1 women's hockey coaches and Union is going to be better than Harvard? Weird thread.
So fire 1/3 of the D1 women's hockey coaches and Union is going to be better than Harvard? Weird thread.
giwan
Really??!!
Re: Union
Well all that is agreeable, avg and frankly the stats really show below avg. But why do you say it won't happen? AD or RPI doesn't care? I'm quite sure the women care, not any different than Union in that respect. His choice of style of play is "interesting"
Well all that is agreeable, avg and frankly the stats really show below avg. But why do you say it won't happen? AD or RPI doesn't care? I'm quite sure the women care, not any different than Union in that respect. His choice of style of play is "interesting"
ARM
Fan of chipmunk-like mascots.
Re: Union
I agree that 2.5 years is too soon to give up on a college coach trying to turn a program around. But if 2.5 years is too soon, how can you decide a change is needed after 1.5 years? At least give a coach a chance to bring in some of his/her own players and develop them. There aren't many coaches who add double-digits wins right away like Scanlan did at Bemidji, and he inherited some talented players. Mankato wasn't exactly stocked.
I couldn't resist here...what is your definition of success? Tell us your most respected coach in the NCAA.
Mercyhurst: recent low, incredible success
Limdenwood: Tough job, you couldn't do better
RIT: No scholarships....D3 champs, 2xCHA champs, NCAA bid...I'm puzzled here
Yale: How good should they be?
RPI: same as Yale
Brown: we agree here
Providence: he earned some time with past success .500 right now
UConn: Bad coach or you don't like him? Current Winning record
Maine: hardest jobs out there...minimal support from school
Mankato: You just pilling on here....
Certain programs are built to be successful, others are not...again what is a successful coach?
Further looking at this post and your past posts.... has me thinking you don't like Male coaches in the female game? If so Why?
also makes me think your a coach somewhere out there...
Judging by this criteria why isnt Katey Stone on your list?
Looking forward to your reply....lots of discussion here.
Puckdrop14
New member
Amen to the above! I wonder how long before the new Union coach is added to this list after all he has had his team for half a year already!
Re: Union
You don't see the humor in "Perhaps RPI isn't very good at mathematical analysis?" ? Eastfan, you might be wrapped a little tight. Does the Christmas season have you in the dumps? Have a drink and Merry Christmas!!!
You don't see the humor in "Perhaps RPI isn't very good at mathematical analysis?" ? Eastfan, you might be wrapped a little tight. Does the Christmas season have you in the dumps? Have a drink and Merry Christmas!!!
giwan
Really??!!
Re: Union
By built to be successful, what do you mean? Level of school support?
Successful coach. Making a conference home playoff. Maybe making a conference playoff home or not and winning it. One can argue that success depends on the team, based on your "certain programs are built to be successful" but in theory other teams should be able to rotate in for success. At one point Harvard and Cornell had very strong teams. I don't buy into the no scholarship thing as much as others. If you believe no scholly schools can not be successful what about the schools that DO offer a scholly and still do not have much success?
You gotta ask Shelfit about the gender thing, personally don't care either way just build a program and make it a positive environment.
By built to be successful, what do you mean? Level of school support?
Successful coach. Making a conference home playoff. Maybe making a conference playoff home or not and winning it. One can argue that success depends on the team, based on your "certain programs are built to be successful" but in theory other teams should be able to rotate in for success. At one point Harvard and Cornell had very strong teams. I don't buy into the no scholarship thing as much as others. If you believe no scholly schools can not be successful what about the schools that DO offer a scholly and still do not have much success?
You gotta ask Shelfit about the gender thing, personally don't care either way just build a program and make it a positive environment.
It's not the gender of the coach I care about. It's their experience (or lack thereof) and dedication to women's hockey that is most important to me. Harrington had no experience in women's hockey before he got hired at Mankato and then he hired a failure of a coach as his first assistant. Why? Because he was friends with that nitwit when they coached the men's team together at St. John's before either of them gave any thought of or cared one bit about women's hockey. I'm not a big fan of the old boys club sticking together. There are plenty of better people that have a history of being dedicated to women's hockey but every year some guy with no previous women's hockey experience gets hired somewhere in the women's game. Call it a pet peeve.
School support is a big one, some programs just don't have the amenities/funding to consistently compete or even climb the ladder. I see what you mean about no scholarships for some programs...example..all IVYs have some advantage due to school rankings/prestige etc...
So it's a Networking thing or old boys club thing that bothers you? And that they don't care about women's hockey?
All of the coaches you mentioned earlier (all males) are feeding their families coaching D1 women's programs , I find it hard to believe they aren't interested or don't care. What qualifies their interest or dedication level? I would challenge you to find out how long they've been in the game of Hockey and not make it a gender issue. Are they a good hockey person? Do they make the game better by coaching? Are they dedicated to the game? People will hired people they trust and feel comfortable working with.....
Dedication has to start somewhere....not just when they start coaching a different gender...
Your "Pet peeve" has a discriminatory tone...."every year, some guy" male coach = no dedication = some deserving female didn't get a job = I'm gonna vent on uscho board and take shots at male coaches.....
It's attitudes like this that create reverse discrimination and I think that's what your selling here with your frustration......there's is no doubt your a frustrated female coach in the NCAA......get some experience, pay your dues and EARN your next job.......
P.S. - please tell me what makes a successful coach...you never did answer that.....I
FiveHoleFrenzy
Well-known member
Re: Union
Trying to figure out the poster you quoted... https://youtu.be/kFnFr-DOPf8
Honest question, because I'm curious. How are you getting double quoted entries?
Trying to figure out the poster you quoted... https://youtu.be/kFnFr-DOPf8
Honest question, because I'm curious. How are you getting double quoted entries?