About the school: being an "international" student, we'd love to keep her at Union but we can't justify the cost now that she's not playing hockey there. She loved the school. It could have been a great life experience and fantastic educational opportunity along with her desire to play hockey. At the end of the day, she could get the same degree via CIS and actually play hockey along the way, which she really wanted to do. That's the point. She wanted to do both -- somewhere. After Union, CIS is economical, checks all the boxes and makes us happy with a coach we know, she knows ... Good life lesson. But I make the points: she didn't quit hockey, as was reported on this forum, and she was lied to. Simple as that.
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Union College Dutchwomen 2013-2014
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About the school: being an "international" student, we'd love to keep her at Union but we can't justify the cost now that she's not playing hockey there. She loved the school. It could have been a great life experience and fantastic educational opportunity along with her desire to play hockey. At the end of the day, she could get the same degree via CIS and actually play hockey along the way, which she really wanted to do. That's the point. She wanted to do both -- somewhere. After Union, CIS is economical, checks all the boxes and makes us happy
with a coach we know, she knows ... Good life lesson. But I make the points: she didn't quit hockey, as was reported on this forum, and she was lied to. Simple as that.
Finally, any goalie knows their place in the pecking order. Union now has a senior and no goalies developing and coming up behind. That is baffling. No development this year. No exhibition or meaningless games for the secondary goalies to develop. How do you develop goalies? Not in practice alone. Look at other teams. They clearly have plans and develop their goalies differently. Now, Union has their star goalie who is a senior and nothing coming up behind.and they have a recruit they don't know. I guess that's better based on your attacking comments. Yes, I'm not an expert but I have been around hockey long enough to shake my head in wonder. By the time kids get to this level they know their place. You don't know my kid but she definitely knew her place. Sadly, the lack of development was a surprise. Perhaps we do things differently in Canada. Having said that, we do win.
CrossCheck
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Re: Union College Dutchwomen 2013-2014
I never 'trashed a kid'....if anything I 'trashed' you [more or less an adult, I assume] who strike me as the typical clueless hockey mom [somehow goalie parents fall into that category more times than not...maybe it's the pressure or the price of the equipment] who is blinded by the dream and can't see reality.
Let's face the facts....She was a late recruit, meaning, she was clearly being looked at as a backup to the starter [who if you had done your research, would have told you that at least in year one and two, your kid was not going to play much...To think otherwise was unrealistic]. As for those 'other opportunities'...come on mom-- think about them...my guess is there may have been some luke-warm interest at some other lower D-1 or D-3 schools, but either there wasn't real interest or the admissions office said no dice. Union was the only option, and it was as a backup.
As for your "Canada wins" comments....puuulease. Considering that hockey means 'everything' to the Cannukks, and 'nothing' to 99.999% of America, the fact that we do as well as we do is no small miracle. Now pick any other sport and see who does all the cross-boarder 'winning' Good day, mom.
This was about two things: the kid didn't quit hockey and the coaches lied -- you weren't there. Why do you feel the need to trash a kid so much so that you have found the time to go back and check on her previous record. I'm not pitting one kid against another. You are. Why? Again, why do you feel the need to do that? And, btw, more to come on Jdub volunteer record keeping now that you've decided to mantold me about my kid to make your point at the expense of a kid. I can't believe I'm talking to you. Other than I continue to be astonished at people's willingness to trash kids and get the facts wrong.
I never 'trashed a kid'....if anything I 'trashed' you [more or less an adult, I assume] who strike me as the typical clueless hockey mom [somehow goalie parents fall into that category more times than not...maybe it's the pressure or the price of the equipment] who is blinded by the dream and can't see reality.
Let's face the facts....She was a late recruit, meaning, she was clearly being looked at as a backup to the starter [who if you had done your research, would have told you that at least in year one and two, your kid was not going to play much...To think otherwise was unrealistic]. As for those 'other opportunities'...come on mom-- think about them...my guess is there may have been some luke-warm interest at some other lower D-1 or D-3 schools, but either there wasn't real interest or the admissions office said no dice. Union was the only option, and it was as a backup.
As for your "Canada wins" comments....puuulease. Considering that hockey means 'everything' to the Cannukks, and 'nothing' to 99.999% of America, the fact that we do as well as we do is no small miracle. Now pick any other sport and see who does all the cross-boarder 'winning' Good day, mom.
CrossCheck
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Re: Union College Dutchwomen 2013-2014
With Union's record, you can't risk losing any "easy" games by playing your backup goalie....That's just the way it is...the coach is trying not to get fired.
Finally, any goalie knows their place in the pecking order. Union now has a senior and no goalies developing and coming up behind. That is baffling. No development this year. No exhibition or meaningless games for the secondary goalies to develop. How do you develop goalies? Not in practice alone. Look at other teams. They clearly have plans and develop their goalies differently. Now, Union has their star goalie who is a senior and nothing coming up behind.and they have a recruit they don't know. I guess that's better based on your attacking comments. Yes, I'm not an expert but I have been around hockey long enough to shake my head in wonder. By the time kids get to this level they know their place. You don't know my kid but she definitely knew her place. Sadly, the lack of development was a surprise. Perhaps we do things differently in Canada. Having said that, we do win.
With Union's record, you can't risk losing any "easy" games by playing your backup goalie....That's just the way it is...the coach is trying not to get fired.
Re: Union College Dutchwomen 2013-2014
Now you're just grasping at straws and embarrassing yourself.
1. Far from being a late recruit, Claudia was after Emma from the first day she was allowed to be.
2. Pincott didn't expect to play much as a first-year, but was told to her (and her parents) face that she would play a fair share of games as the school recognized that developing its recruits was important for its future.
3. You call us clueless, but you "guess" and continue to spread baseless BS like nobody else on this site. Pincott had strong interest and offers from two other schools in Union's conference, as well as three other D-1 schools and a couple of well-regarded D-3 schools (including, ironically, Elmira). As they say on Game of Thrones, "You know nothing, Jon Snow."
When you find yourself reduced to attacking a young woman's ability, it's probably time to get off the internet for a time, and go outside for a long walk where you can reflect on the kind of person you seem to be becoming.
As for the "Canada wins" comment....WHOOSH!!!
I never 'trashed a kid'....if anything I 'trashed' you [more or less an adult, I assume] who strike me as the typical clueless hockey mom [somehow goalie parents fall into that category more times than not...maybe it's the pressure or the price of the equipment] who is blinded by the dream and can't see reality.
Let's face the facts....She was a late recruit, meaning, she was clearly being looked at as a backup to the starter [who if you had done your research, would have told you that at least in year one and two, your kid was not going to play much...To think otherwise was unrealistic]. As for those 'other opportunities'...come on mom-- think about them...my guess is there may have been some luke-warm interest at some other lower D-1 or D-3 schools, but either there wasn't real interest or the admissions office said no dice. Union was the only option, and it was as a backup.
As for your "Canada wins" comments....puuulease. Considering that hockey means 'everything' to the Cannukks, and 'nothing' to 99.999% of America, the fact that we do as well as we do is no small miracle. Now pick any other sport and see who does all the cross-boarder 'winning' Good day, mom.
Now you're just grasping at straws and embarrassing yourself.
1. Far from being a late recruit, Claudia was after Emma from the first day she was allowed to be.
2. Pincott didn't expect to play much as a first-year, but was told to her (and her parents) face that she would play a fair share of games as the school recognized that developing its recruits was important for its future.
3. You call us clueless, but you "guess" and continue to spread baseless BS like nobody else on this site. Pincott had strong interest and offers from two other schools in Union's conference, as well as three other D-1 schools and a couple of well-regarded D-3 schools (including, ironically, Elmira). As they say on Game of Thrones, "You know nothing, Jon Snow."
When you find yourself reduced to attacking a young woman's ability, it's probably time to get off the internet for a time, and go outside for a long walk where you can reflect on the kind of person you seem to be becoming.
As for the "Canada wins" comment....WHOOSH!!!
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96IllinoisDad
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Re: Union College Dutchwomen 2013-2014
Agreed. Further, Union did play their back-up goalie (Dahl). She started 2 games (5.8%), played in 7 of 34 games (21%) and played 268 minutes (13%).
Union didn't play their 3rd goalie (who was a Freshman) - like most DI teams - including Clarkson and UM (who redshirted a freshman, former Team USA goalie).
With Union's record, you can't risk losing any "easy" games by playing your backup goalie....That's just the way it is...the coach is trying not to get fired.
Agreed. Further, Union did play their back-up goalie (Dahl). She started 2 games (5.8%), played in 7 of 34 games (21%) and played 268 minutes (13%).
Union didn't play their 3rd goalie (who was a Freshman) - like most DI teams - including Clarkson and UM (who redshirted a freshman, former Team USA goalie).
96IllinoisDad
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Re: Union College Dutchwomen 2013-2014
Hmm, September 1 of Junior year? That is a "late recruit" these days, especially for a goalie. My guess is Union is "after" at least 10 goalies on September 1. Early recruits get contacted (and offers) Freshman year of high school - interest is conveyed through coaching staff.
Now you're just grasping at straws and embarrassing yourself.
1. Far from being a late recruit, Claudia was after Emma from the first day she was allowed to be.
Hmm, September 1 of Junior year? That is a "late recruit" these days, especially for a goalie. My guess is Union is "after" at least 10 goalies on September 1. Early recruits get contacted (and offers) Freshman year of high school - interest is conveyed through coaching staff.
Re: Union College Dutchwomen 2013-2014
Lundy graduated quite some time ago. Talk about being clueless.
"Really only looking for a backup goalie"--we're back to square one in this conversation.
For the record, Pincott was generally considered one of the two top goalies in the JWHL in her two seasons as a starter. You seem to know better than the dozens of scouts and coaches who watched her play. OK, then.
While the JWHL is a good development and showcase entity, it is cash-strapped and has to rely on local volunteers (bless them all) to keep stats, some of whom know little about hockey and scorekeeping. Its computer program also has the delightful default of crediting a game to the goalie with the lowest roster number when no goalie is entered in the game sheet. If you put too much faith in its stats, you do so at your own risk. I guess that's why coaches and scouts actually go to the games and check the kids out.
and....you sound a little clueless. Had you done your homework, and listened to what the coach was saying [rather than what you wanted to hear 'yippie, I'm being recruited by a D1 school']...then you would have realized that the coach was VERY happy with Lundy, and was really only looking for a backup goalie. Go back and look at the press release from last year...the coach talks about 'adding depth' not 'I found the answer in goal'.... Stats from JWHL not too impressive...I know, I know, the stats lie too.
Lundy graduated quite some time ago. Talk about being clueless.
"Really only looking for a backup goalie"--we're back to square one in this conversation.
For the record, Pincott was generally considered one of the two top goalies in the JWHL in her two seasons as a starter. You seem to know better than the dozens of scouts and coaches who watched her play. OK, then.
While the JWHL is a good development and showcase entity, it is cash-strapped and has to rely on local volunteers (bless them all) to keep stats, some of whom know little about hockey and scorekeeping. Its computer program also has the delightful default of crediting a game to the goalie with the lowest roster number when no goalie is entered in the game sheet. If you put too much faith in its stats, you do so at your own risk. I guess that's why coaches and scouts actually go to the games and check the kids out.
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Lundy graduated quite some time ago. Talk about being clueless.
For the record, Pincott was generally considered one of the two top goalies in the JWHL in her two seasons as a starter. You seem to know better than the dozens of scouts and coaches who watched her play. OK, then.
While the JWHL is a good development and showcase entity, it is cash-strapped and has to rely on local volunteers (bless them all) to keep stats, <some> of whom know little about hockey and scorekeeping. Its computer program also has the delightful default of crediting a game to the goalie with the lowest roster number when no goalie is entered in the game sheet. If you put too much faith in its stats, you do so at your own risk. I guess that's why coaches and scouts actually go to the games and check the kids out.
Shenae Lundberg the Jr graduated some time ago? Really!!
CrossCheck
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Re: Union College Dutchwomen 2013-2014
Mom, please...stop embarrassing yourself and digging your hole even deeper.
The coaches lie...
Now it's the incompetent scorekeepers? [ALL of them??]
Lady, you need to go away, and fast. I feel sorry for your poor kid....makes me wonder if the Union coach maybe had enough of the helicopter parent goalie mom....
Whoosh.
Lundy graduated quite some time ago. Talk about being clueless.
For the record, Pincott was generally considered one of the two top goalies in the JWHL in her two seasons as a starter. You seem to know better than the dozens of scouts and coaches who watched her play. OK, then.
While the JWHL is a good development and showcase entity, it is cash-strapped and has to rely on local volunteers (bless them all) to keep stats, <some> of whom know little about hockey and scorekeeping. Its computer program also has the delightful default of crediting a game to the goalie with the lowest roster number when no goalie is entered in the game sheet. If you put too much faith in its stats, you do so at your own risk. I guess that's why coaches and scouts actually go to the games and check the kids out.
Mom, please...stop embarrassing yourself and digging your hole even deeper.
The coaches lie...
Now it's the incompetent scorekeepers? [ALL of them??]
Lady, you need to go away, and fast. I feel sorry for your poor kid....makes me wonder if the Union coach maybe had enough of the helicopter parent goalie mom....
Whoosh.
Re: Union College Dutchwomen 2013-2014
lol
because you're not objective and you're unable to look at what is pretty obvious based on a number of factors that you refuse to accept or acknowledge.
When you feel like you have to defend poor stats by making excuses for them, in my book that means you know there are shortcomings you need to try and justify. JMO.
Lundy graduated quite some time ago. Talk about being clueless.
lol
"Really only looking for a backup goalie"--we're back to square one in this conversation.
because you're not objective and you're unable to look at what is pretty obvious based on a number of factors that you refuse to accept or acknowledge.
I seriously doubt you spoke to dozens of coaches or scouts (who by the way ARE coaches) who told you this. With names like (in no order) Rando, Hensley, Litchfield, Wilkes, Peters, Abbott, and Fischer in the league over those two years, it would be pretty un-objective to say that she was "generally considered" top two. Some coaches may certainly have felt that way, and I'd be willing to bet that more than a few had two others that they liked better from that list.For the record, Pincott was generally considered one of the two top goalies in the JWHL in her two seasons as a starter. You seem to know better than the dozens of scouts and coaches who watched her play. OK, then.
While the JWHL is a good development and showcase entity, it is cash-strapped and has to rely on local volunteers (bless them all) to keep stats, some of whom know little about hockey and scorekeeping. Its computer program also has the delightful default of crediting a game to the goalie with the lowest roster number when no goalie is entered in the game sheet. If you put too much faith in its stats, you do so at your own risk. I guess that's why coaches and scouts actually go to the games and check the kids out.
When you feel like you have to defend poor stats by making excuses for them, in my book that means you know there are shortcomings you need to try and justify. JMO.
Re: Union College Dutchwomen 2013-2014
Shenae Lundberg has another year, but Lundy Day graduated some time ago.
Shenae Lundberg the Jr graduated some time ago? Really!!
Shenae Lundberg has another year, but Lundy Day graduated some time ago.
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Re: Union College Dutchwomen 2013-2014
Huh? Where on god's green earth do you get the idea she had poor stats? I was simply saying that the stats for that league are not terrifically accurate.
lol
because you're not objective and you're unable to look at what is pretty obvious based on a number of factors that you refuse to accept or acknowledge.
You're objective and the judge of what is pretty obvious--gotcha.
I seriously doubt you spoke to dozens of coaches or scouts (who by the way ARE coaches) who told you this. With names like (in no order) Rando, Hensley, Litchfield, Wilkes, Peters, Abbott, and Fischer in the league over those two years, it would be pretty un-objective to say that she was "generally considered" top two. Some coaches may certainly have felt that way, and I'd be willing to bet that more than a few had two others that they liked better from that list.
Never said I did. The other goalies you mention were good, but I feel comfortable with the statement she was generally considered better than most of them--no disrespect intended to the girls in question and it is of course a matter of opinion.
When you feel like you have to defend poor stats by making excuses for them, in my book that means you know there are shortcomings you need to try and justify. JMO.
Huh? Where on god's green earth do you get the idea she had poor stats? I was simply saying that the stats for that league are not terrifically accurate.
Re: Union College Dutchwomen 2013-2014
I agree. We've made our two original points, repeatedly. Over and out.
This has become dumb & dumber! Enough already.
I agree. We've made our two original points, repeatedly. Over and out.
Re: Union College Dutchwomen 2013-2014
That would have been your opportunity to pull a mea culpa. Defending that error just makes you look desperate. Time to move on.
Shenae Lundberg has another year, but Lundy Day graduated some time ago.
That would have been your opportunity to pull a mea culpa. Defending that error just makes you look desperate. Time to move on.
CrossCheck
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Re: Union College Dutchwomen 2013-2014
Lundy Day?? Really mom, ***uddgie....Follow the bouncing ball...we are talking about the current starter, not some girl who graduated 4-5 years ago. I know you're Canadian but really...do try and pay attention.
That would have been your opportunity to pull a mea culpa. Defending that error just makes you look desperate. Time to move on.
Lundy Day?? Really mom, ***uddgie....Follow the bouncing ball...we are talking about the current starter, not some girl who graduated 4-5 years ago. I know you're Canadian but really...do try and pay attention.