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UNH Wildcats Official Wait til Next Year...14/15 thread
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I know right?!? You don't see me posting about my/the Friars haha! Hope you join us at the Schneider Snively 65!!! That's where the cool fans will be
I know right?!? You don't see me posting about my/the Friars haha! Hope you join us at the Schneider Snively 65!!! That's where the cool fans will be
I am thinking Schneider on Friday night, JAR on Saturday night, hoping that both my teams sweep, allowing Sunday off.
Chuck Murray
WIS & Effingwoods Hockey Almanac
Re: UNH Wildcats Official Wait til Next Year...14/15 thread
I suspect you're (un?)fortunately going to have to make a tough call on where to be on Sunday ...
I am thinking Schneider on Friday night, JAR on Saturday night, hoping that both my teams sweep, allowing Sunday off.
I suspect you're (un?)fortunately going to have to make a tough call on where to be on Sunday ...
HockeyRef
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I am thinking Schneider on Friday night, JAR on Saturday night, hoping that both my teams sweep, allowing Sunday off.
But you're gonna miss the Wildcat sweep
! Oh a girl can dream I guess... If it does go 3 this fan will be home listening or watching somewhere on an Internet feed!
Darius
Go 'cats!
e.cat
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Re: UNH Wildcats Official Wait til Next Year...14/15 thread
113/1152=.098%
96/976=.098%
113-976=17
It's a dead heat in terms goals per sog.
UNH, according to this has scored 17 more goals than their opps. So Chuck wins how?
113/1152=.098%
96/976=.098%
113-976=17
It's a dead heat in terms goals per sog.
UNH, according to this has scored 17 more goals than their opps. So Chuck wins how?
HockeyRef
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Re: UNH Wildcats Official Wait til Next Year...14/15 thread
Just dawned on me while I was on the bike at PF pondering the weekend that this is the 3rd year in a row the 'Cats have faced PC in the HE tourney in one way or another...both teams have won a series apiece in that time frame.
Being TBT it reminds me of how 2 years ago the HE loss didn't matter too much as we went to the Regionals anyways...this year of course to get there the Hockey Gods have to be in a pretty good mood
Aw Go 'Cats!!!
Just dawned on me while I was on the bike at PF pondering the weekend that this is the 3rd year in a row the 'Cats have faced PC in the HE tourney in one way or another...both teams have won a series apiece in that time frame.
Being TBT it reminds me of how 2 years ago the HE loss didn't matter too much as we went to the Regionals anyways...this year of course to get there the Hockey Gods have to be in a pretty good mood
Aw Go 'Cats!!!Not quite a dead heat, as UNH vs opp SOG % difference = 15.3%, whereas UNH vs opp G % = 15.0 %, so Chuck wins, albeit by a whisker.
Just dawned on me while I was on the bike at PF pondering the weekend that this is the 3rd year in a row the 'Cats have faced PC in the HE tourney in one way or another...both teams have won a series apiece in that time frame.
Being TBT it reminds me of how 2 years ago the HE loss didn't matter too much as we went to the Regionals anyways...this year of course to get there the Hockey Gods have to be in a pretty good mood
Exactly. This year we need to win the HEA tourney; definitely doable, but not a lock.
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e.cat
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Re: UNH Wildcats Official Wait til Next Year...14/15 thread
If we were talking investments, 30 basis points could add up to real money!!
If we were talking investments, 30 basis points could add up to real money!!
So frustrating that this other Rochester, NH, kid chose PC over UNH. We have lost a bunch of NH kids to other teams over the years. But, we also have poached a lot of players from Mass.
Chuck Murray
WIS & Effingwoods Hockey Almanac
Re: UNH Wildcats Official Wait til Next Year...14/15 thread
Chuck *wins* because despite all this statistical hogwash, UNH finished 8th in the league (and that was with a late push to get them out of 10th/11th where they spent most of the season), and just with the last game finally got to the exalted .500 level.
As the noted philosopher Herm Edwards once so succinctly said ... "You play to win the game". And SOG's win you nothing. Just a meaningless statistical diversion. This is hockey - not baseball.
Just for kicks ... go check out the SOG for/against data on the 1980's Edmonton Oilers, and let me know what you find.
Chuck *wins* because despite all this statistical hogwash, UNH finished 8th in the league (and that was with a late push to get them out of 10th/11th where they spent most of the season), and just with the last game finally got to the exalted .500 level.
As the noted philosopher Herm Edwards once so succinctly said ... "You play to win the game". And SOG's win you nothing. Just a meaningless statistical diversion. This is hockey - not baseball.
Just for kicks ... go check out the SOG for/against data on the 1980's Edmonton Oilers, and let me know what you find.
Re: UNH Wildcats Official Wait til Next Year...14/15 thread
I believe everything reverts to the league at this point...the schools don't have the rights to broadcast. I just clicked the "Watch" link on the BU site and was immediately redirected to the Hockey East site. So it looks like the only place to watch is by purchasing the package from Hockey East.
I believe everything reverts to the league at this point...the schools don't have the rights to broadcast. I just clicked the "Watch" link on the BU site and was immediately redirected to the Hockey East site. So it looks like the only place to watch is by purchasing the package from Hockey East.
Re: UNH Wildcats Official Wait til Next Year...14/15 thread
Interesting factoids from the Union Leader:
UNH goaltender Danny Tirone has been in goal for each game during the team’s current winning streak. He’s the first UNH goaltender to win seven consecutive decisions since Mike Ayers (2002-03).
The Wildcats have scored the first goal in each game during their current seven-game winning streak, which is the longest active winning streak in the nation.
Gillies has a 5-3-1 record against UNH. He has a 2.48 goals-against average and a .929 save percentage in those nine games.
Each team has four victories in the last eight games played at Schneider Arena - See more at: http://www.unionleader.com/article/20150313/SPORTS22/150319537/1003/sports#sthash.Oaptpoul.dpuf
Interesting factoids from the Union Leader:
UNH goaltender Danny Tirone has been in goal for each game during the team’s current winning streak. He’s the first UNH goaltender to win seven consecutive decisions since Mike Ayers (2002-03).
The Wildcats have scored the first goal in each game during their current seven-game winning streak, which is the longest active winning streak in the nation.
Gillies has a 5-3-1 record against UNH. He has a 2.48 goals-against average and a .929 save percentage in those nine games.
Each team has four victories in the last eight games played at Schneider Arena - See more at: http://www.unionleader.com/article/20150313/SPORTS22/150319537/1003/sports#sthash.Oaptpoul.dpuf
Re: UNH Wildcats Official Wait til Next Year...14/15 thread
Sorry...didn't see this. I didn't actually TRY to buy it...just stopped when I got to their site...so I guess I can't really answer your question...
Sorry...didn't see this. I didn't actually TRY to buy it...just stopped when I got to their site...so I guess I can't really answer your question...
Re: UNH Wildcats Official Wait til Next Year...14/15 thread
Can anyone point me to the all hokydad thread? Because I would much rather read post after post from the man himself than have to sift through this shots on goal debate much longer...
Its been what, three years now, since Chuck chased that poor kid with his statistical formula comparing SOG to wins off the board and we're still talking about it in every other post? No one, not even the kid was claiming that SOG in a vacuum equates to wins or losses.
Certainly there is a HUGE difference in Willows, Dowing and Kelleher scoring similar amounts of goals while Willows shoots 2-3 times as often and of course the point of the game at the NCAA level is to win, but Chuck is smart enough to know (if too stubborn to admit) that better teams will often create more shots and more quality chances and that the stat is far from 'meaningless'. Its an indicator of success. One of many, that can point towards chances created, offensive zone time, puck possession, etc. No one has argued that more shots means you win - or even that playing better than your opponent guarantees a win. No one has claimed they'd rather see UNH play well and lose than poorly and win. And yet here we still are...
Chuck is correct however, that the days of no shot being a bad shot are long gone due in large part to a changed game and better defense and goaltending. For example, an unscreened shot from the blue line is almost never going in now with larger pads and more athletic goalie techniques. As a result, SOG is not nearly as meaningful (perhaps that is why scoring chances are now tracked everywhere?) and fans need to look deeper that one single stat. In fact, its a very sabermatrical approach by Chuck to hockey statistics!
Chuck is also smart enough to know that sabermatricians in baseball have evolved out of an attempt to look past the equivalent "SOG stats" of the sport - hits or AVG. They are looking for deeper and truer indicators of success. Again, everyone agrees that the win is the bottom line. But, particularly in baseball - any team can win and any player can play well (its why simply scouting is so difficult in baseball - or softball, which I coach - without big sample sizes, its easy to be fooled). The deeper stats point towards consistency. Consistency separates the better teams and players from the rest of the pack and leads to higher win totals.
Its interesting that Chuck searches for a more meaningful approach in hockey and is so disdainful to the approach in baseball. Its clearly relevant as every team except Philadelphia is knee deep in statistical analysis. Its also, so easy to avoid if you don't want to hear about WAR or Zone Rating, etc. If you just want to look at bottom line wins and losses, more power to you. If other people want to talk about the factors that led to those wins and loss can't we just let them?
Chuck, feel free to respond how you wish. I'm not getting any further involved in this topic that I wish would finally just go away - a topic in which both sides are right to certain degrees anyway...
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Now that that is off my chest - the best long-time USCHO poster no longer posting is DaBigBadCow / I don't think UNH was ever really in on Gilles (we can argue whether that was the right decision later) because they already had DiGi, DeSmith and a cheap, but capable goalie in Wyer. They hoped to wait on adding another scholarship goalie / Downing's 50 goals compared to other UNH scorers shows how talented he really is and how much of his own offense he had to create! He didn't play with great play makers and didn't rack up assists playing with other scorers / Dean Woodman didn't get enough credit when that great early 90s class was discussed - kid was SMOOTH, should have stayed in school...
Can anyone point me to the all hokydad thread? Because I would much rather read post after post from the man himself than have to sift through this shots on goal debate much longer...
Its been what, three years now, since Chuck chased that poor kid with his statistical formula comparing SOG to wins off the board and we're still talking about it in every other post? No one, not even the kid was claiming that SOG in a vacuum equates to wins or losses.
Certainly there is a HUGE difference in Willows, Dowing and Kelleher scoring similar amounts of goals while Willows shoots 2-3 times as often and of course the point of the game at the NCAA level is to win, but Chuck is smart enough to know (if too stubborn to admit) that better teams will often create more shots and more quality chances and that the stat is far from 'meaningless'. Its an indicator of success. One of many, that can point towards chances created, offensive zone time, puck possession, etc. No one has argued that more shots means you win - or even that playing better than your opponent guarantees a win. No one has claimed they'd rather see UNH play well and lose than poorly and win. And yet here we still are...
Chuck is correct however, that the days of no shot being a bad shot are long gone due in large part to a changed game and better defense and goaltending. For example, an unscreened shot from the blue line is almost never going in now with larger pads and more athletic goalie techniques. As a result, SOG is not nearly as meaningful (perhaps that is why scoring chances are now tracked everywhere?) and fans need to look deeper that one single stat. In fact, its a very sabermatrical approach by Chuck to hockey statistics!
Chuck is also smart enough to know that sabermatricians in baseball have evolved out of an attempt to look past the equivalent "SOG stats" of the sport - hits or AVG. They are looking for deeper and truer indicators of success. Again, everyone agrees that the win is the bottom line. But, particularly in baseball - any team can win and any player can play well (its why simply scouting is so difficult in baseball - or softball, which I coach - without big sample sizes, its easy to be fooled). The deeper stats point towards consistency. Consistency separates the better teams and players from the rest of the pack and leads to higher win totals.
Its interesting that Chuck searches for a more meaningful approach in hockey and is so disdainful to the approach in baseball. Its clearly relevant as every team except Philadelphia is knee deep in statistical analysis. Its also, so easy to avoid if you don't want to hear about WAR or Zone Rating, etc. If you just want to look at bottom line wins and losses, more power to you. If other people want to talk about the factors that led to those wins and loss can't we just let them?
Chuck, feel free to respond how you wish. I'm not getting any further involved in this topic that I wish would finally just go away - a topic in which both sides are right to certain degrees anyway...
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Now that that is off my chest - the best long-time USCHO poster no longer posting is DaBigBadCow / I don't think UNH was ever really in on Gilles (we can argue whether that was the right decision later) because they already had DiGi, DeSmith and a cheap, but capable goalie in Wyer. They hoped to wait on adding another scholarship goalie / Downing's 50 goals compared to other UNH scorers shows how talented he really is and how much of his own offense he had to create! He didn't play with great play makers and didn't rack up assists playing with other scorers / Dean Woodman didn't get enough credit when that great early 90s class was discussed - kid was SMOOTH, should have stayed in school...
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Re: UNH Wildcats Official Wait til Next Year...14/15 thread
Snively, it has bothered me no end that we don't have as a focus the recruiting of New Hampshire kids, for two reasons. First, we have lost out on a lot of good players over the years, Freddy Meyer, Lee Blossom, and the Guiliani kid from Nashua as examples. And secondly, if we did make an effort to recruit the best player from NH in every recruiting cycle, I think it would engender more loyalty among the NH hockey fraterntity to UNH. I asked Umile about this once but he kind of sloughed it off saying that UNH only goes for the top end kids. Some delusional thinking in my book.
As far as poaching Mass. kids, it really hasn't happened much lately. I can remember way back when UNH was grabbing some awfully good guys like Miller, Cox, Raeder, etc. These days you don't see any of the top end EMass kids (Eiserman might be an exception) looking at UNH. Eichel is a special case, but the O'Regan kids, Hanifan at BC, did they even give UNH a sniff? Doubtful. The days of guys like Eddie Caron and Sean Collins turning their backs on BU and BC is long over. Another failure of the recruitment process IMO.
As far as Gillies goes, I seem to recall that UNH opted for DeSmith over him. That might be a convenient explanation for losing out on a kid but I do remember that story going around. The larger frustration for me anyway is that in all the years that I have been following UNH, they have never had the son of a former player on the team. I can think of a few offspring who did pay college hockey - Dave Sheen's son Colin (BU), Bruce Crowder's son Scott (UMass), Bill Beaney's son (forget name) who played at Princeton, and I think Gordie Clark had a son who played at Northeastern. From what I can tell Gillies is the best of these offspring so the fact that he is playing someplace else is doubly frustrating. And just like the recruitment of NH kids, I think former players would look more favorably on the school if they could see that a son from this special family was playing at UNH.
Snively, it has bothered me no end that we don't have as a focus the recruiting of New Hampshire kids, for two reasons. First, we have lost out on a lot of good players over the years, Freddy Meyer, Lee Blossom, and the Guiliani kid from Nashua as examples. And secondly, if we did make an effort to recruit the best player from NH in every recruiting cycle, I think it would engender more loyalty among the NH hockey fraterntity to UNH. I asked Umile about this once but he kind of sloughed it off saying that UNH only goes for the top end kids. Some delusional thinking in my book.
As far as poaching Mass. kids, it really hasn't happened much lately. I can remember way back when UNH was grabbing some awfully good guys like Miller, Cox, Raeder, etc. These days you don't see any of the top end EMass kids (Eiserman might be an exception) looking at UNH. Eichel is a special case, but the O'Regan kids, Hanifan at BC, did they even give UNH a sniff? Doubtful. The days of guys like Eddie Caron and Sean Collins turning their backs on BU and BC is long over. Another failure of the recruitment process IMO.
As far as Gillies goes, I seem to recall that UNH opted for DeSmith over him. That might be a convenient explanation for losing out on a kid but I do remember that story going around. The larger frustration for me anyway is that in all the years that I have been following UNH, they have never had the son of a former player on the team. I can think of a few offspring who did pay college hockey - Dave Sheen's son Colin (BU), Bruce Crowder's son Scott (UMass), Bill Beaney's son (forget name) who played at Princeton, and I think Gordie Clark had a son who played at Northeastern. From what I can tell Gillies is the best of these offspring so the fact that he is playing someplace else is doubly frustrating. And just like the recruitment of NH kids, I think former players would look more favorably on the school if they could see that a son from this special family was playing at UNH.
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