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UNH Wildcats Official Wait til Next Year...14/15 thread

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All the USHL teams are based in the Midwest and have many players who grew up playing in Midwest hockey hotbeds like Minnesota, Michigan and Wisconsin. Not surprisingly, top college programs in the Midwest such as Minnesota, Michigan, Wisconsin, Miami, and Notre Dame are able to gain commitments from many top USHL scorers. BC and BU also have some success getting this type of player.

There’s a subset of top USHL scorers who don’t make a college commitment until after they have been in the USHL for a couple of years and established themselves as top prospects. That type of recruit usually commits to the colleges mentioned above.

Except on rare occasions, UNH is not a program that can lure top youngsters from the Midwest or top, established USHL players who are uncommitted.

The only way UNH gets a top scorer who has played in the USHL is to recruit and get a commitment from them when they’re young and have yet to play in the USHL. Andrew Poturalski and Tyler Kelleher are prime examples. Poturalski committed to UNH when he was a 17 years old and playing prep school hockey in Buffalo. Tyler Kelleher was a 15-year-old prep school player in Massachusetts when he committed. As hoped for, Poturalski developed into a top scorer in the USHL. To say that Kelleher was not a top 40 scorer in the USHL is misleading. He was a member of the US NTDP U-18 team and they only played 30 USHL games - as opposed to the typical 60 game schedule. Kelleher was the top scorer on both the US NTDP U-17 and U-18 teams.

Also, to have a defenseman among the top 40 USHL scorers is unusual. There are currently only two in the top 40 and they are the 29th and 37th. Matias Cleland was the 4th highest scorer among all USHL defensemen the year before he came to UNH. Technically, he was the 63rd scorer in the USHL but that was among all players – forwards and defensemen. To gauge a USHL defenseman’s scoring production, one needs to compare him with all other defensemen. In Dylan Maller’s final season in the USHL, he was dealing with a serious family illness that, no doubt, hampered his production on the ice.

All the UNH recruits who are currently playing in the USHL committed to UNH when they were 16 years old or younger and before they were playing in the USHL - Aaron O’Neill (16), Ara Nazarian (16), Jake Ryczek (16), Joseph Masonius (15), Patrick Grasso (16), and Jason Kalinowski (16). Kalinowski is now 19-years-old and has not produced offensively in his second USHL season. Grasso will be 19 in May and in is his second full season in the USHL. Although he is technically the 50th player on the USHL list of scoring leaders, he is tied for 20th in USHL scoring.

That leaves two USHL forwards who are UNH recruits. Aaron O’Neill is only 17 years old. Last season, as a 16-year-old, he only played in 25 games. He missed the first 11 games of this season recovering from shoulder surgery. Ara Nazarian is 18 years old and in his first USHL season. He is tied for 31st in USHL scoring. If both stay healthy, then next year will be the time to evaluate how much they developed in the USHL.

Finally, there are two UNH recruits who are defensemen in the USHL. Jake Ryczek is 16 years old and in his first USHL season. 3 goals and 8 assists in 43 games as a rookie defensemen isn’t bad. Joseph Masonius just turned 18. Like Kelleher, he is a member of the US NTDP U-18 team and they play a limited number of USHL games. Masonius has played in 14 USHL games so he would not be expected to be a top scorer when compared to other USHL players who have played around 40 games.

There are other UNH recruits projected to enroll in 2016, ’17 or ’18 who may play in the USHL or BCHL in the next year or two. A key element of UNH’s recruiting strategy is to hope that some of them develop into top scorers in the USHL or BCHL. Time will tell.
 
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Arrrggghhhh! Seems like yesterday. Then, a week later we get blown out 7-3 by Notre Dame in first game at the regional in Colorado Springs. We should have been at the Pepsi Center in Denver that April.

I remember this one too... I think it was ecat who was thrilled with the draw to go west to the springs and had a harsh warning for BC fans about their difficult regional draw. Whoops.

You have to give UNH credit though, after BC beat them in the first overtime in that Hockey East tourney matchup and had the goal called back because the goalie's helmet came flying off (Regan?), they stayed true to their postseason tradition and blew their second chance in that game as well in another overtime frame thanks to the brilliant Danny Dries penalty (and yet he somehow didn't get called for throwing his broken stick at Petrecki moments before taking his actual penalty).

I'm getting all misty-eyed with these throwback posts!
 
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This week, the thread looks more like what it used to look like on USCHO ... posters from other schools checking in, not just lurking, and even if it's been flame-free, it's a nice reminder of how things were (and can still be). This whole "stick to your silo" mentality is frickin' stifling.

Just a quick "hello" to Scarlet, *Nick* :D and the others who've checked in to say "hi". :)

Back on topic ... as UNH chases the exalted first round "home ice" :rolleyes: over the final two weekends, I'd like to think they can get there, and then *maybe* do something with it ... but for reasons I'd outlined a few days ago, I just don't see it happening. Anyone out there bullish on UNH's chances for a 7 out the final 8 points finish? :confused:
 
Re: UNH Wildcats Official Wait til Next Year...14/15 thread

I remember this one too... I think it was ecat who was thrilled with the draw to go west to the springs and had a harsh warning for BC fans about their difficult regional draw. Whoops.

You have to give UNH credit though, after BC beat them in the first overtime in that Hockey East tourney matchup and had the goal called back because the goalie's helmet came flying off (Regan?), they stayed true to their postseason tradition and blew their second chance in that game as well in another overtime frame thanks to the brilliant Danny Dries penalty (and yet he somehow didn't get called for throwing his broken stick at Petrecki moments before taking his actual penalty).

I'm getting all misty-eyed with these throwback posts!
Classic. An old time hockey moment I will always remember. At the time I thought, did that really just happen?
 
Re: UNH Wildcats Official Wait til Next Year...14/15 thread

This week, the thread looks more like what it used to look like on USCHO ... posters from other schools checking in, not just lurking, and even if it's been flame-free, it's a nice reminder of how things were (and can still be). This whole "stick to your silo" mentality is frickin' stifling.

Just a quick "hello" to Scarlet, *Nick* :D and the others who've checked in to say "hi". :)

Back on topic ... as UNH chases the exalted first round "home ice" :rolleyes: over the final two weekends, I'd like to think they can get there, and then *maybe* do something with it ... but for reasons I'd outlined a few days ago, I just don't see it happening. Anyone out there bullish on UNH's chances for a 7 out the final 8 points finish? :confused:
Not that I am superstitious or anything, but 2 weeks ago vs. VT I thought Friday loss/Saturday win. I didn't post my prediction and it happened. Last week vs. BU I thought double Ls, posted my prediction (hoping it would not come true) and it didn't happen. So... I am NOT posting my prediction for this weekend. Go 'cats!
 
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I think that we will get at least 1 point tonight in Hartford, so there.
 
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All this nostalgia got me thinking. When I first found this site wasn't it not uscho.com, but uscollegehockeyonline.com? I am certain I have a ccm hockey cap with USCHO on the front and uscollegehockeyonline.com on the back. I will look for it and figure out how to post a pic here.
 
This week, the thread looks more like what it used to look like on USCHO ... posters from other schools checking in, not just lurking, and even if it's been flame-free, it's a nice reminder of how things were (and can still be). This whole "stick to your silo" mentality is frickin' stifling.

Just a quick "hello" to Scarlet, *Nick* :D and the others who've checked in to say "hi". :)

Back on topic ... as UNH chases the exalted first round "home ice" :rolleyes: over the final two weekends, I'd like to think they can get there, and then *maybe* do something with it ... but for reasons I'd outlined a few days ago, I just don't see it happening. Anyone out there bullish on UNH's chances for a 7 out the final 8 points finish? :confused:

Sure Chuck I'm thinking the 'Cats might surprise. And you might expect me to say that now wouldn't you. 😉 They seemed focused and know what they need to do. As does UConn and Mack I would imagine. Hoping that GD's return will supply a big spark. And...go NU!! Love it.
 
Re: UNH Wildcats Official Wait til Next Year...14/15 thread

Anyone out there bullish on UNH's chances for a 7 out the final 8 points finish?

To me the last home ice spot is there for the taking. Of the four teams chasing it, who would you rather be right now? Maine is probably playing the best hockey, but that is a tough schedule the last two weekends. UNH faces the other two teams, mighty squads who have won a combined 3 of their last 19 contests. It seems counter intuitive to say, for a team that hasn't won two games on the same weekend all year, but if the 'Cats fail to grab that 8th spot it is nothing short of a failure. No excuse not to sweep the next two weekends.

I think the 8-9 matchup is Maine-UNH with venue being the only question. Of course I thought the same thing last season, and the Bears got just 1 point against NU and PC. History could repeat itself.
 
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Classic. An old time hockey moment I will always remember. At the time I thought, did that really just happen?

God, I wish there was video of that out there someplace...
 
Re: UNH Wildcats Official Wait til Next Year...14/15 thread

This week, the thread looks more like what it used to look like on USCHO ... posters from other schools checking in, not just lurking, and even if it's been flame-free, it's a nice reminder of how things were (and can still be). This whole "stick to your silo" mentality is frickin' stifling.

Just a quick "hello" to Scarlet, *Nick* :D and the others who've checked in to say "hi". :)

Hi Chuck! #USCHOOldSchoolWeek or is it Weak? ;)
 
Re: UNH Wildcats Official Wait til Next Year...14/15 thread

All the USHL teams are based in the Midwest and have many players who grew up playing in Midwest hockey hotbeds like Minnesota, Michigan and Wisconsin. Not surprisingly, top college programs in the Midwest such as Minnesota, Michigan, Wisconsin, Miami, and Notre Dame are able to gain commitments from many top USHL scorers. BC and BU also have some success getting this type of player.

Sorry, CHC - but this is excuse making for the UNH staff. Kids from all over the country play in the USHL. UNH never had a problem recruiting top USHL talent in the late '90s early '00s - when they were actually recruiting players out of the USHL. As you went on to mention, most of the players are committing long before they get out there anyway. UNH's recruiting is down. Their talent identification is down. That's the problem. It has nothing to do with kids playing in the USHL going elsewhere.

Now, I do take issue with Watcher's top-40 criteria as an arbitrary threshold. As you mentioned, Grasso & Nazarian will most likely be top scorers in the league next year, but miss the mark currently, and Poturalski would not have made the top-40 threshold if he had come to UNH as scheduled last fall. They still are who they are.

The bigger point Watcher is making - is there are a LOT of whiffs the last few years. A LOT. That is without a doubt the single biggest contributing factor towards UNH's current situation. Any discussion of facilities, location or recruits, etc are flat out excuses made for a staff that dropped the ball. Identify the right players, offer them and get them.

Kalinowski & O'Neill committed as babies - they were not kids UNH had to settle for, they were kids UNH apparently thought were difference makers.

There are some good players in the pipeline and there are a lot of misses. Things seem to be much better since Stewarts arrival - who knows how much of that credit he specifically deserves, but hopefully things continue to get better...
 
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A key element of UNH’s recruiting strategy is to hope that some of them develop into top scorers in the USHL or BCHL. Time will tell.

And this is a terrible strategy - identify and target the kids who will be difference makers in the USHL, BCHL and NCAA. Though, I doubt UNH hopes their kids are good - offering scholarships to kids you hope will make it and not kids you expect to make it would be a huge mistake. A bigger mistake than offering a bunch of kids who can skate faster than and around their young peers, while ignoring actually finishing ability. Way too much Swedish in the UNH recruiting pools lately...

No Finnish.
 
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The last time I checked, UNH was 4 slim points out of the Hockey East cellar. The only UNH seniors who developed into top scoring NCAA players were Downing, Willows and Trevor van Riemsdyk, none of whom played in the USHL. So far, none of the UNH juniors have developed into top college scorers, other than Pesce who's numbers are down this year due to injuries. Given those facts, it's no surprise UNH is struggling to earn home ice in the HE playoffs. However, I'm not writing off Kelleher or Cleland as "misses". Neither have I written off any of the freshmen as "misses".

It's premature to stamp 17-year-old O'Neill or 18-year-old Nazarian as "misses." Blackburn and Masonius will be very good NCAA players.
 
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And yes Snively65 we picked up 2 points! Onward 'Cats!
 
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Perhaps the UConn Huskies are still the AHA team that we hoped they were? RIT and Niagara notwithstanding.
 
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And this is a terrible strategy - identify and target the kids who will be difference makers in the USHL, BCHL and NCAA. Though, I doubt UNH hopes their kids are good - offering scholarships to kids you hope will make it and not kids you expect to make it would be a huge mistake. A bigger mistake than offering a bunch of kids who can skate faster than and around their young peers, while ignoring actually finishing ability. Way too much Swedish in the UNH recruiting pools lately...

No Finnish.
kids you expect to accept your offer.
 
Re: UNH Wildcats Official Wait til Next Year...14/15 thread

The last time I checked, UNH was 4 slim points out of the Hockey East cellar. The only UNH seniors who developed into top scoring NCAA players were Downing, Willows and Trevor van Riemsdyk, none of whom played in the USHL. So far, none of the UNH juniors have developed into top college scorers, other than Pesce who's numbers are down this year due to injuries. Given those facts, it's no surprise UNH is struggling to earn home ice in the HE playoffs. However, I'm not writing off Kelleher or Cleland as "misses". Neither have I written off any of the freshmen as "misses".

It's premature to stamp 17-year-old O'Neill or 18-year-old Nazarian as "misses." Blackburn and Masonius will be very good NCAA players.
The freshman forwards are on their way to not being, Cleland well on his way to not being and in a Darius should have been more patient with him reversal, Kelleher is already not a miss. Correale is looking pretty good on a box score at the moment as well.
 
WOW what a memory lane thread this has become, enough to get a bunch of posters to come back out of lurking. It is amazing how long some of us have been on "this" board. If my memory is good we are on version 3 that started in 1999. I think i first joined the "original" in about 95-96... I just couldn't get into hockeyL. The board was more fun in the big4 days. The top of the league was more balanced, although it must have sucked to be part of the other 5.

Certainly less fun following the sinking ship Wildcats... I think I prefer good all year with a rip your heart out end to the slow drift into the abyss.
 
Certainly less fun following the sinking ship Wildcats... I think I prefer good all year with a rip your heart out end to the slow drift into the abyss.

I was thinking that until last year, then got caught up in our route to the Garden after having zero expectations all year. Same again this year, with even lower expectations. I was ok with having my heart ripped out at the Frozen Four, but not having it ripped out in the regionals year after year after year, dashing my "great expectations" (more apologies to Dickens).
 
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