UNH Wildcats 2021/2022 - Return of the Champions of October?

[Chuck Murray]

A question for the "experts" on here - What were college kids, and whole lot of others as well, doing the last time 100,000+ people died in the United States during a corona virus pandemic?

Answer - They were so scared that they stupidly left quarantine from their parents basements, ripped off their masks, defied the wrath of Lord Fauci who was already at NIH, infected grandma and anyone else with 6 feet, broke all lockdown mandates and ................... went to a super spreader event called Woodstock.

Bingo. Except of course, there were no quarantines, no masks, no mandates ... and no panic.

Probably because the adults in the room at the time had survived WW1, The Great Depression, WW2 and the Korean Conflict. Folks who had some real-life context on adversity on a large scale. Many of whom saw buddies gassed, shot, or exploded to death a mere few feet away on a battlefield.

I said this at the start of this panic, refrained from saying it for the better part of the last year out of respect to what we didn't know for sure yet ... but it's time to say it again.

As a people, we have become SO soft. Sad, but unfortunately true.

 

[E.J. Smith]

Can we please not do this here. Please. The cafe exists for a reason. (Thanks for that last post though.)

I understand and respect what you're saying, but I have to wonder why you decided to wait for my post to say it. A cursory check shows a number of pandemic/mask related posts going back for a week at this point. They were all pretty one sided, so my guess is it's the viewpoint not the subject that's bothering you.

Beyond that, the other main topics of discussion have been UNH playing in a DIII tournament and wait for it, Black Betty. My apologies for disrupting those scintillating round tables of thought.

As for Black Betty, tf? This place is like Kabuki theatre at this point, my further apologies for interrupting the ritualized performances.

 

[E.J. Smith]

Sorry folks, gotta respond here, I'll let others determine if further discussion is here or not ...

This has to be "fake news" of the highest order, sorry. According to President Magoo, he was going to put an end to the Wuhan Flu, because he had a 7 point plan, and his predecessor (who managed to produce a vaccine in record time) really didn't know what he was doing. And yes, I'm aware more folks have died of the Wuhan Flu since Magoo took over, and it was just yesterday when Magoo himself declared this wasn't a Federal problem anymore, it would now be up to the states instead. So our glorious leader, emerging from victory over Afghanistan, and reminding us all of the "benefits" of inflation, has put another W on his report card. In the words of his predecessor ... I'm getting tired of all this "winning" ...
...

The guy in charge of the medical end has been searching (unsuccessfully) for an AIDS vaccine for almost 40 years now, and his department won't even discuss the issue of natural immunity. Does that make sense to you, EJ? I get a sense you have an independent streak, where you don't let others from The Atlantic (which recently hatched the same no vax/no ER theory you advanced above) or other egg-headed liberal think-tanks do your thinking for you. If I'm right, you've probably lived through the Hong Kong Flu like I did, and we weren't absorbed in this panic-driven narcissistic societal meltdown back then. No masks, no mandates, and it ran its course after about two years. Did those in charge now learn from the past? Heck no.

One of our political parties is fond of the saying "don't let a good crisis go to waste" (HINT - it's the same one that famously threatened how "elections have consequences"). They've ridden it to power for the last year-plus, and if I'm reading the tea leaves correctly, they intend to ride it for another year to try to hold onto that power. Otherwise, you would think that as the strength of variants decreases, they would ease up on the authoritarian dictates (which haven't worked anyway) and let life go back to normal, like politicians and scientists did 50 years ago.

But they haven't, so draw your own conclusions. But yeah, "politics" is very much a factor here, and it's hardly just on the part of the folks you disagree with. Sorry mon ami.

Chuck Murray to Non-disingenuous Plain-speaking Dictionary:
"Yes, it is all about the politics, and not the science, for me."

 

[HockeyRef]

It's all fun and games until half the team has Covid and then, no one gets to play OR watch because of an outbreak. Dartmouth is most likely not allowing fans because they want their athletic teams (who did not play last year) get a chance to do so this year. And to avoid a further outbreak on campus, etc. (Which is bound to happen anyway when students return from break). Look, I haven't exactly enjoyed these past couple of years who has? I've had it, (ruined last Christmas, there, I said it and if I'm being honest, still dealing with the aftermath) but it's also my choice to comply with whatever I chose to medically. Why? Because of what I've chosen to adopt for health practices and who I chose to trust in that message.

Never pretended to be an 'expert'. Very unfair comment as not ONCE (other than last year in the cafe) have those of 'us' who might disagree disputed any of these posts nor did we come to this board with repeated digs at the last President and God knows, we could have. OR I could have. Whatever. But I chose not to, out of respect for the people who post here or others who are interested in UNH hockey content. I use Twitter for my dumping ground lol.

I am so done debating who is right, or who is wrong. Those days are way over for me as I've seen some of my own family members who felt it was not serious enough to take basic precautions be hospitalized and lucky to live to tell about it. Not going to change anyone's mind at this point. Tell me what to do at a sporting event (or wherever) and I will comply with that. All I can do is protect myself and that's pretty much the long and short of it. I recognize whenever I attend an event, go to the store, that I could get it again even tho I've been vaxxed etc. Totally see the point but I also try to think of those around me who might be vulnerable. Pretty much wearing the mask for them when I'm told to. If we see a full in person season at the 'Whitt I'll be surprised. Going to NOLA in 10 days; must be crazy, sigh.

I too wish this would end. And hurry up Thursday..I've just about reached my limit!!

Ps...don't look up...

 

[Darius]

I understand and respect what you're saying, but I have to wonder why you decided to wait for my post to say it. A cursory check shows a number of pandemic/mask related posts going back for a week at this point. They were all pretty one sided, so my guess is it's the viewpoint not the subject that's bothering you.

Beyond that, the other main topics of discussion have been UNH playing in a DIII tournament and wait for it, Black Betty. My apologies for disrupting those scintillating round tables of thought.

As for Black Betty, tf? This place is like Kabuki theatre at this point, my further apologies for interrupting the ritualized performances.

Because I knew what would soon follow (as it has). I made sure to type "Thanks for that last post though". Somewhat surprised I wasn't called out on that.

I'm with your viewpoint. There, I said it.

LOL

LOL, again.

 

[Darius]

So, admittedly I have as much pandemic fatigue as most, but isn't the main impetus for vaccine mandates the desire to not overwhelm our medical system, primarily ERs and ICUs? And even generally, aren't many elective surgeries currently being postponed? So when people choose not to get vaccinated, but then end up burdening our medical system when they get Covid, isn't that affecting other people's ability to get timely diagnoses and treatment?

Since I've crossed over to participating in this... Precisely. Anyone remotely connected to someone working in the medical field, specifically a hospital or urgent care facility, understands.

A few generations ago people lined up to fight in a war where they knew that there was a good chance they would be wounded or die. Today, half the country won't get a SHOT?!?

We should all broaden our view points by reading other (verified) news sources. Facebook is not a verified news source. Twitter is not a verified news source. If you watch Fox (I don't), check out CNN, MSNBC. If you watch CNN, MSNBC (I don't), check out Fox. On occasion I switch between Fox and CNN to amuse myself and to feel like I am traveling to different countries without leaving my living room. Seek out verified news sources with broad worldwide coverage.

 

[HockeyRef]

Since I've crossed over to participating in this... Precisely. Anyone remotely connected to someone working in the medical field, specifically a hospital or urgent care facility, understands.

A few generations ago people lined up to fight in a war where they knew that there was a good chance they would be wounded or die. Today, half the country won't get a SHOT?!?

We should all broaden our view points by reading other (verified) news sources. Facebook is not a verified news source. Twitter is not a verified news source. If you watch Fox (I don't), check out CNN, MSNBC. If you watch CNN, MSNBC (I don't), check out Fox. On occasion I switch between Fox and CNN to amuse myself and to feel like I am traveling to different countries without leaving my living room. Seek out verified news sources with broad worldwide coverage.

This is the reason we have polio under control....our parents understood and trusted. But if all of these conflicting media were around, you'd have to wonder. And why small pox isn't a thing, etc etc. So glad they did...

 

[Whalers]

This is the reason we have polio under control....our parents understood and trusted. But if all of these conflicting media were around, you'd have to wonder. And why small pox isn't a thing, etc etc. So glad they did...

After reading all of the "science" on here, I actually called my Doctor today to get my latest Polio and Small Pox booster shot. This will be my 27th of each one because the efficacy only lasts 6 months, just like the corona "vaccines". See I am following the science.

EDIT: Sorry my doctor just called back and told me that there aren't any polio or small pox booster shots. Wait a minute, I thought that these were "vaccines"??

 

[Whalers]

A few generations ago people lined up to fight in a war where they knew that there was a good chance they would be wounded or die. Today, half the country won't get a SHOT?!?

Darius, thank you for making the basic point that many of us have been trying to make, before getting shot down as "not following the science". Past generations went into situations where they absolutely KNEW the chances were they weren't going to see Grandma again (let alone infect her). Grandma knew it, moms knew, but the vast majority still said - Let's Roll. They didnt say where is my facial decoration but did say where is my GAS mask. Nor did they say "can we socially distance on Omaha Beach"? The DID say, Let's storm the beach and save the free world.

Another way of looking at your statement could be that Half the country (the science says 27% I believe) doesnt want the shot because they are ready to storm the beach and help save what is left of the free world. HUGE DIFFERENCE.

 

[Chuck Murray]

Chuck Murray to Non-disingenuous Plain-speaking Dictionary:
"Yes, it is all about the politics, and not the science, for me."

Just stating the obvious, mon ami. To pretend this doesn't have anything to do with politics (both sides) at this point would be the height of naivete, but apparently I've misread you as someone who is above the partisan BS. I mean, after all, the folks in charge promised they knew how to rid us of this thing ... and yet now, there is no Federal solution, straight from Mr. Magoo himself ... after assuring us his predecessor was wrong in letting the states address it. I think you would have to admit this was a Five Pinocchio special in retrospect, no?!?

"Vote for me, I know what I'm doing!!" (12 months later) "States, you go first, I've got your back."

Profiles in Cowardice, 2021 edition. Raise your hands if you voted for the senile guy ...

As far as the "science" is concerned ... where is the discussion of natural immunity? How many times has Pope Fauci changed his mind on masks, shots, distancing, etc.?? Where is there any reference to his reliance upon lessons learned by those who were on the ground and making public health decisions during the various pandemics in the 20th century???

The so-called "science" has been at least tinged with, if not absolutely corrupted by, DC politics. I'm fortunate enough to work with many medical experts in my line of work, and what many of them will tell you in private, as opposed to public positioning, are two very different things. Of course, you do understand that many medical researchers are wholly dependent upon their funding (grants, etc.) from the permanent bureaucracy in DC, right? That's DC, as in 95%+ Democrat-voting DC, right??

Look at the current data, and look at the (lack of severity) of the current strain. Compare that with the prevailing narrative coming out of DC and the major media centers ... notice any difference? Ever wonder exactly why that's happening?? Just maybe, it's the current party in power (in charge of pretty much everything), trying to play this through November '22???

Spare me the pontificating lecture on "science", EJ. You're smarter than that (or at least used to be?).

 

[Chuck Murray]

We should all broaden our view points by reading other (verified) news sources. Facebook is not a verified news source. Twitter is not a verified news source. If you watch Fox (I don't), check out CNN, MSNBC. If you watch CNN, MSNBC (I don't), check out Fox. On occasion I switch between Fox and CNN to amuse myself and to feel like I am traveling to different countries without leaving my living room. Seek out verified news sources with broad worldwide coverage.

You know, I agree with most of what you've posted, Darius. I will point out, however, that for folks with beliefs on my side of the spectrum, there is no need to be urged to check out the "other side". We are surrounded by the "other side" and most of the time, you listen to one, and you've heard them all. Here in NH, WMUR is there for my weather and sports, but I end up getting hit by ABC narratives from NYC and DC in between. So folks of my ilk are already constantly acutely aware of what the "other side" is saying. And when it makes sense, and when there is agreement, I don't have an issue with it.

Where the disconnect truly is, lies with those on the other side of the equation, who get their "news" from MSM or marginal opinion (not news, as you've pointed out) sites, like FB and Twitter. Unlike you, who at least checks in periodically to hear what the other side of the story might be, many folks out there are blissfully unaware there is even another side. On top of that, MSM and the social media propaganda stalwarts routinely stigmatize those who'd even venture to seek out the "other side".

The MSM earned their current level of distrust by going along with the stupidity of the Trump-Russia BS, and cemented it by going into the tank for Mister Magoo during the '20 primary season and harmful disclosures of his ties to Red China, through what has since been confirmed to have been actual verified evidence through his crackhead son's laptop.

Going along with the Magoo Admin's narrative that "non-vaxxers are bad" - while allowing Red China to skate for causing the problem in the first place - only adds to the distrust.

And while we're talking about distrust of the vaccines (and for the umpteenth time, I'm vaxxed, but will not be boosted, not once, not a dozen times), as I pointed out to "I'm above the politics" EJ earlier ... remember when Mister Magoo and Giggles McPlatypus both said they wouldn't trust any vaccines coming from their predecessor, when they were campaigning from Magoo's basement lair?? Despite the endless waves of propaganda, A LOT of people remember that. So Magoo owns that, yet his pals in MSM never seem to call him out on that. Hmmm, wonder why???

As cartoon character Pogo said, which Magoo should adopt ... "We've met the enemy, and he is us".

 

[Darius]

After reading all of the "science" on here, I actually called my Doctor today to get my latest Polio and Small Pox booster shot. This will be my 27th of each one because the efficacy only lasts 6 months, just like the corona "vaccines". See I am following the science.

EDIT: Sorry my doctor just called back and told me that there aren't any polio or small pox booster shots. Wait a minute, I thought that these were "vaccines"??

EVERYBODY was vaccinated. It worked.

 

[Darius]

Darius, thank you for making the basic point that many of us have been trying to make, before getting shot down as "not following the science". Past generations went into situations where they absolutely KNEW the chances were they weren't going to see Grandma again (let alone infect her). Grandma knew it, moms knew, but the vast majority still said - Let's Roll. They didnt say where is my facial decoration but did say where is my GAS mask. Nor did they say "can we socially distance on Omaha Beach"? The DID say, Let's storm the beach and save the free world.

Another way of looking at your statement could be that Half the country (the science says 27% I believe) doesnt want the shot because they are ready to storm the beach and help save what is left of the free world. HUGE DIFFERENCE.

I read this three times. Are you saying that natural immunity is a better solution than masking and vaxxing? I can respect that as a logically thought out decision that I disagree with.

 

[Darius]

Chuck, pro tip: the name calling does not help your well written and thought out posts. Also, who the f@#$ is “Giggles McPlatypus”? “MS”, “BS”, “35”, “Blue” something… half the time I don’t know who you are posting about.

 

[HockeyRef]

EVERYBODY was vaccinated. It worked.

This...100% this!!!

 

[teez]

Sorry about the long-winded answer to the previous part, teez. I'm with you 100%, hopefully with the long-overdue change in the AD's offices, we'll see Hockey turning around, although I have to confess, it feels like a SLOG as well. I also suspect our near enemy up in the Downeast has stolen a march on us with their adventurous new Hockey HC hire, which won't make things easier. But if Soccer can fill a decent chunk of the football stadium in the bitter chill of November, anything's possible.

I appreciate the entire response. I tried some searches to find old articles from NH papers on the birth of the Whitt, but got nothing which is why figured I'd ask. You make a solid point about Agganis being the real white elephant in HE. Looks like it was built to the tune of $225 million. It does have prime real estate in Boston though, so that mitigates some of it and it does attract non hockey crowds. But if they had a do over I'm sure they'd love to walk that back to a ~4,500 seater.

 

[Whalers]

EVERYBODY was vaccinated. It worked.

Well, according to the WHO, Polio DOES still exist. Obviously, on a much smaller scale because of a TRUE vaccine. Therein lies the fallacy of your point. If the new MRNA "vaccine" are truly vaccines, like the polio one, why are vaccinated people still getting corona? It wouldn't be possible. Back to my point, did you get a polio vaccine recently? Per the WHO, only Pakistan and Afghanistan are countries where polio was never eradicated. How come all of the soldiers who deployed in the endless 21 odd year Afghanistan Police Action didnt get polio? They had taken a REAL vaccine.

Have fun getting your booster shots every 6 months until the end of time.

 

[Whalers]

I read this three times. Are you saying that natural immunity is a better solution than masking and vaxxing? I can respect that as a logically thought out decision that I disagree with.

My original point had nothing to do with natural immunity but was based upon your getting shot in a war statement. It had everything to do with having the SACK to actually be in the conflict in the first place. No waiting on Fauci to say it is OK, no well I might bring some virus home to grandma. The only plan was you were storming the beach for freedom, placing that sack on the table and hoping it wasn't going to get crushed, but knowing full well that more than likely the crushing was going to hurt. But they selflessly did it anyway. Simply put - storm the beach and lets get back to living.

Natural Immunity IS a better solution. Based upon the effectiveness of the "vaccine", I would say the only foolproof solution until a true vaccine is ready. If you are not wearing an N95 mask, then a facial decoration. How many people are wearing the N95 masks? Obviously not many people in NY or NYC, because even with mask mandates and vac cards, they are STILL leading the country in cases.

 

[Darius]

Ah. Semantics. “Shot”, then.

I wear an N-95 when I want to be somewhere I consider high risk.

Every six months? Unlikely. Yearly seems reasonable.

 

[HockeyRef]

Ah. Semantics. “Shot”, then.

I wear an N-95 when I want to be somewhere I consider high risk.

Every six months? Unlikely. Yearly seems reasonable.

Just bought some for my NOLA trip coming up as Louisiana is what, 35% vaxxed? Yeah, I'd say its going to be a yearly gig depending on where this all goes. Anyway, the 'Cats are up in Hanover and I cannot wait until tomorrow! Thank God. Go 'Cats!