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UNH Wildcats 2017 Off-season: The Clash Question

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Question for you long timers out there:

Where would you rank that guy who just made the San Jose Sharks selection on the all time list of Wildcat blueliners?
 
Re: UNH Wildcats 2017 Off-season: The Clash Question

Question for you long timers out there:

Where would you rank that guy who just made the San Jose Sharks selection on the all time list of Wildcat blueliners?

I never saw Tim Burke play live in person at UNH - only a few times on my grainy Channel 11 feed down in Greg Ambrose territory - but he was the "other" guy during the all-too-brief Langway era, and a four year starter IIRC in the midst of a great run during the apex of the Charlie Holt era. I think any realistic discussion and assessment of all-time UNH defensemen would have to include him in the Top Ten. In looking up his profile, I was surprised to note he was also from our current iconic coach's hometown. But to be clear, he is not pie zahn ... :D ;)
 
Sorry, been away for awhile, more pressing things on my mind. But in no particular order:
Jerry York indeed has a short shelf life as coach. He's 71, has that detached retina problem and, if you didn't notice, they failed to make the tournament last year. He will retire, sooner rather than later and will be replaced by Greg Brown. It will be Brown because BC has a new AD that they brought in from Ohio State who has zero knowledge of what it takes to be an NCAA coach. Ergo Brown.
Where does that leave Michael Ayers. Well I guess he could continue at BC, maybe as an elevated associate head coach with a raise in pay. And whatever the pay is, it will be certainly more than what UNH would pay. It would be nice if he came to Durham but, as somebody mentioned, why would he disrupt his young family, leave Hingham, and come to the Seacoast for lower pay?
On to UNH. I wasn't surprised that TVR was exposed in the expansion draft, but I was surprised when Vegas flipped him to Carolina. My first thought, obviously, was that he would be playing with Pesce, perhaps paired with him. It got my mind to thinking when the last time two UNHers were on the same NHL team and actually skated together. My guess is back in the 80s when Peter Douris, Steve Leach, and Bruce Crowder were all on the Bruins. I don't have the answer. Maybe somebody does.
The current Wildcats? What can you say. No one at the University really cares anymore. There is no historical perspective. It's like the first 50 years of UNH D1 hockey never existed. Just one tiny example. When UNH sent out the blurb to season ticket holders, one thing they mentioned was that they were bringing back the pre-season barbecue which, they said, they had started a few years ago. Really? The Friends first had a barbecue,,they called it the Face Off Feed, back in the late seventies. I remember going to one at Boyd Broadhead's place in Lee where my wife and I munched on chicken with Gordie Clark and his family. The people who founded the Friends, those who had a large hand in sustaining UNH for a lot of years, would puke if they read this missive from UNH Athletics. The biggest problem at UNH is the lack of institutional memory, something that starts with Marty and runs all the way down. I will still go, but I have been sapped of my enthusiasm.
The Sox retired Big Papi's number tonight. Greatest Red Sox ever. Go Sox!
 
I never saw Tim Burke play live in person at UNH - only a few times on my grainy Channel 11 feed down in Greg Ambrose territory - but he was the "other" guy during the all-too-brief Langway era, and a four year starter IIRC in the midst of a great run during the apex of the Charlie Holt era. I think any realistic discussion and assessment of all-time UNH defensemen would have to include him in the Top Ten. In looking up his profile, I was surprised to note he was also from our current iconic coach's hometown. But to be clear, he is not pie zahn ... :D ;)

Since UNH does not have nine other guys who were All American defenseman, I'd have to say Tim Burke was pretty good. He was an All American his senior year, mostly because he was the sane force on a team that was unbelievably offensive minded. Those 12-9 games could easily have been 15-13 if it wasn't for a guy like Burke. Not only was Burke from Melrose but his defense partner Paul Powers was as well. The funny thing is that Powers had spent his entire high school career as a forward. But when he got to UNH, Charlie saw his ability to skate and pass and decided on the spot that he was going to be a defenseman because, in Charlie's system, defensemen had to push the puck up the ice.

As for Langway, he was good, but if my memory serves me, I don't remember him as being other worldly. He was only a kid, he was also playing football. He was a tremendous athlete but, did I ever see him take over a game? No. I do remember him playing line backer for UNH in a playoff loss at Montana on a Saturday and the following Monday suiting up for the hockey team and scoring a goal against RPI. My bet is that he would have had a decent career in football but how can you argue with two Hart Trophies, the Hockey Hall of Fame, and your name on the Stanley Cup?
 
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Sorry, been away for awhile, more pressing things on my mind. But in no particular order:
Jerry York indeed has a short shelf life as coach. He's 71, has that detached retina problem and, if you didn't notice, they failed to make the tournament last year. He will retire, sooner rather than later and will be replaced by Greg Brown. It will be Brown because BC has a new AD that they brought in from Ohio State who has zero knowledge of what it takes to be an NCAA coach. Ergo Brown.
Where does that leave Michael Ayers. Well I guess he could continue at BC, maybe as an elevated associate head coach with a raise in pay. And whatever the pay is, it will be certainly more than what UNH would pay. It would be nice if he came to Durham but, as somebody mentioned, why would he disrupt his young family, leave Hingham, and come to the Seacoast for lower pay?
On to UNH. I wasn't surprised that TVR was exposed in the expansion draft, but I was surprised when Vegas flipped him to Carolina. My first thought, obviously, was that he would be playing with Pesce, perhaps paired with him. It got my mind to thinking when the last time two UNHers were on the same NHL team and actually skated together. My guess is back in the 80s when Peter Douris, Steve Leach, and Bruce Crowder were all on the Bruins. I don't have the answer. Maybe somebody does.
The current Wildcats? What can you say. No one at the University really cares anymore. There is no historical perspective. It's like the first 50 years of UNH D1 hockey never existed. Just one tiny example. When UNH sent out the blurb to season ticket holders, one thing they mentioned was that they were bringing back the pre-season barbecue which, they said, they had started a few years ago. Really? The Friends first had a barbecue,,they called it the Face Off Feed, back in the late seventies. I remember going to one at Boyd Broadhead's place in Lee where my wife and I munched on chicken with Gordie Clark and his family. The people who founded the Friends, those who had a large hand in sustaining UNH for a lot of years, would puke if they read this missive from UNH Athletics. The biggest problem at UNH is the lack of institutional memory, something that starts with Marty and runs all the way down. I will still go, but I have been sapped of my enthusiasm.
The Sox retired Big Papi's number tonight. Greatest Red Sox ever. Go Sox!

Daniel Winnick and JvR with the Maple Leafs I think that's correct...(Wildcats who have played together in the NHL/same team)
 
Daniel Winnick and JvR with the Maple Leafs I think that's correct...(Wildcats who have played together in the NHL/same team)

And, Trevor Smith, who played 54 games with the Leafs in 2014-2015, along with JvR's 82 and Winnik's 58 games before Dan was shipped to the Pens (hence my earlier quip about "UNH North"). And, at the risk of some old-timers getting their panties in a bunch, I will say that JvR has put together a decent NHL career, with 165 goals and 174 assists in eight seasons. And, journeyman Dan Winnik has hung in there toiling away on 3rd and 4th lines for 10 seasons now.
 
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And, Trevor Smith, who played 54 games with the Leafs in 2014-2015, along with JvR's 82 and Winnik's 58 games before Dan was shipped to the Pens (hence my earlier quip about "UNH North"). And, at the risk of some old-timers getting their panties in a bunch, I will say that JvR has put together a decent NHL career, with 165 goals and 174 assists in eight seasons. And, journeyman Dan Winnik has hung in there toiling away on 3rd and 4th lines for 10 seasons now.

Oh you are right I could not for the life of me think of that third player (Smith) whom now (without looking) I want to say he plays on the Milwaukee Admirals with TyK. I knew you'd come up with him!!! :D

ps Looks like UMass got themselves a decent player in Cale Makar. According to Pierre McGuire last night everyone should watch them the next couple of years...the world really is going crazy! (I'll report back on this once we've played them...)
 
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Oh you are right I could not for the life of me think of that third player (Smith) whom now (without looking) I want to say he plays on the Milwaukee Admirals with TyK. I knew you'd come up with him!!! :D

ps Looks like UMass got themselves a decent player in Cale Makar. According to Pierre McGuire last night everyone should watch them the next couple of years...the world really is going crazy! (I'll report back on this once we've played them...)

Over/under on Gildon and Maas getting drafted in the third round?

Will TvR have some competition locking down a top two D-pair on the 'Canes?

Bruins lost Colin Miller to Golden Knights.
 
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I guess that I should have offered the over/under on the fourth round for Gildon and Maas.
 
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ps Looks like UMass got themselves a decent player in Cale Makar. According to Pierre McGuire last night everyone should watch them the next couple of years...the world really is going crazy! (I'll report back on this once we've played them...)

One thing I've learned over the last quarter decade as a dead certain, nailed-on FACT is that UMass Men's Hockey is ALWAYS just a year or two away from turning the corner and becoming a force in Hockey East.

Not going to hold my breath this time, any more than the last hundred or so similar proclamations ...

... for those waiting for the conclusion of the 8th hole, just assume Dick and Mike are still looking for Dick's *lost* ball ...
 
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One thing I've learned over the last quarter decade as a dead certain, nailed-on FACT is that UMass Men's Hockey is ALWAYS just a year or two away from turning the corner and becoming a force in Hockey East.

Not going to hold my breath this time, any more than the last hundred or so similar proclamations ...

... for those waiting for the conclusion of the 8th hole, just assume Dick and Mike are still looking for Dick's *lost* ball ...

Chuck, I don't know if I've mentioned this on this board but my father (and many of his brothers) as well as my brother are PGA professionals so I grew up with golf. Played the game myself but not as of late so I have found your story quite interesting to say the least!! When I visited our home town of Jax Fla spent some time at one of his courses he owned in the early 60's...quite the game it is and a perfect venue for life's struggles to be sure.

On the Umass thing, naturally I doubt we'll see them at the Garden with the addition of this player, but I have to wonder why these exceptional players (Vatrano most recently) play there; I imagine it's to develop as a player with NCAA competition (and esp. Hockey East right?!? ;) ) so why not come here! And of course these players are only good for a couple of seasons but hey they can spend em with us. So..why NOT UNH? Can someone give some objective insight into why these exceptional players choose teams that aren't, well, stellar to put it mildly? (And not to impugn the coaching staff there from what I have seen/learned it's a quality org)
 
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Yes, indeed, quite the dilemma that Stu faces at the cup on the eighth hole. I know what I would do if in Stu's golf shoes. Perhaps you should set up a poll on this one, Chuck?

HR, probably UMass admissions are easier than at UNH, hence we lose out on some blue chippahs to them, like we do to BC and BU.
 
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Yes, indeed, quite the dilemma that Stu faces at the cup on the eighth hole.

HR, probably UMass admissions are easier than at UNH, hence we lose out on some blue chippahs to them, like we do to BC and BU.

Oh that's right (slap forehead moment) ACADEMICS first! :D
 
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One thing I've learned over the last quarter decade as a dead certain, nailed-on FACT is that UMass Men's Hockey is ALWAYS just a year or two away from turning the corner and becoming a force in Hockey East.

Not going to hold my breath this time, any more than the last hundred or so similar proclamations ...

... for those waiting for the conclusion of the 8th hole, just assume Dick and Mike are still looking for Dick's *lost* ball ...

This time the landscape is changing for the whole league. already we have Providence and Lowell surging past UNH
Going forward UConn and UMass will be in this position
UMass has hired a strong coach, excellent recruiter and the head of the university is a strong hockey advocate (look at Lowell)
UConn is recruiting all over the world and knows how to get kids admitted
UNH certainly needs to broaden recruitment especially with fast growing European presence in college hockey
 
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As far as UMass goes, (and I believe I am the only who feels this way) but I LOVE the purge/ thinning of the herd they did down there after this past season.

Which leads to my next question: I see plenty of HE teams both above (Lowell, NU) and below (ME, UMass) UNH in the standings which have players who moved on after the season (in some cases to D-III) because they just weren't good enough. I'm obviously not close enough to know whether those guys were pushed or jumped. But the bottom line is they are gone. Yet, you have a UNH team that hasn't been over .500 for four seasons and its just MOTS. Why aren't guys moving on from Durham?

It seems like if you suck someplace else you hit the road. If you suck at UNH they make you captain after three seasons.
 
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It seems like if you suck someplace else you hit the road. If you suck at UNH they make you captain after three seasons.

Line of the offseason to date. Leader in the clubhouse, I guess. :D
 
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Fun with Souza, Dick & Stu - Offseason Edition - Part VIII (conclusion)

Dick, Souza and Spot still look for Dick's lost ball
They look all round the green, and then to Tee Nine
There is a dazed man on the ground near the tee box
There is a dent in his steel work hat
The men think this may be a key clue
The men look close
They think this guy is one of them ...

"Mark, what the eff are you up to here?" barks Dick
"Don't you have more new dorms to build?" :mad:
"Hey, I sign the front of your pay check, Dick. Lay off"
"You look dumb with that hat, like Bob the Builder"
"Why does Dick talk to his big boss that way?" Souza asks Spot
"It helps when you are a lame duck. What does he stand to lose?"
"Good point" ...

Back at Green Eight, Stu feels as if he is out of his own body
The rest of the men are out of sight, and out of mind for now
Good Stu is perched on his right arm
Bad Stu is perched on his left arm
"Stu, how would you feel if you lost a hole in one?"
"Eff him, Stu. He did not give you your dream job"
"Poor Dick may not have shot an ace in his life. This is mean!"
"Dick will live just fine with his state paid stuff and no cheap ace!"
"How will you live with this, please do the right thing"
"Do the right thing and throw his ball in the drink, you wuss!!"

Stu looks at the balls one more time
One he knows for sure is his
One has blue paint chips on one side, but no name or marks
Stu walks to Tee Box Nine, as Dick still yells at his big boss

"So my shot hit you in the head ... you got in my way!!" :mad:
"No you jerk ... I was in back of the green, you git!!" :mad:
"You do not get to call me names. You are not pie zahn!! :mad:
"I can call you what ever I want to call you. I am the Prez!!" :mad:
"YOU STOLE MY YEAR!! NEXT YEAR WAS MY YEAR TO LEAVE, NOT YOURS!!" :mad:
"I OWN THIS PLACE, AND I CAN LEAVE ANY TIME WITH NO OK FROM YOU!! :mad:

Stu walks up to the two men, who are both red in the face with ire
"Can I see your hat for a sec, Mark?"
Stunned, Mark shuts up for a sec, and hands his hat to Stu
Stu turns his back to the men, and checks the ball with the dent in the hat
It is a match, right down to the blue paint specks
He turns back, and gives the hat back to Mark
"Dick, I think I have found your ball"
Dick turns to him and asks "So where did you find it Stu?"
"Please sit still when I tell you this, Coach"
"OUT WITH IT NOW, WHILE I'M YOUNG!!" :mad:
"I found it in the hole with my ball. You shot an ace, Coach" :)
Dick is stunned now :eek: :confused: :eek:
"This is not some sick joke, is it Stu?"
"No sir. This is the real thing. Way to go, Dick!!"

Dick begins to shed real tears of joy
"This has been the best round of my life!!"
"You are like the Vic in Caddy Shack, boss!!" chirps Stu
"So you think this was all luck then?" turns Dick
Stu looks at Mark's hat dent, and says "It's been your day, big guy"

Now Souza has a face that turns red
He thinks Stu now takes the suck up stuff a step too far
"I call BS on this crap" hisses Mike under his breath
"Did you try to say things to me just then, Mike?"
Stu steps in to save Mike's lunch
"God bless you, Souza. That was quite a sneeze"
Souza :rolleyes: but he keeps it to him self this time

Dick is filled with joy
Dick is also filled with <del>Busch</del> Tab
Dick will now pay for beers after the front nine
Dick will pay for Mark's wine to make it up to him too
Mark may not even sue Dick for that new lump on his head
Mike seethes :mad: as he goes back to Tee Nine
Stu feels like he did the right thing
Spot thinks Stu is nuts
But Spot thinks what Stu just did was way :cool:

Now five men approach Tee Nine
Dick and Mark walk first, arm in arm, like best buds
"So Mark, what is it with these steel poles on Hole Nine?"
"Dick, I got this idea from Puff. Let me tell you what it is ... "

The new score after eight holes (Par 30) stands:

*Dick -3 Souza E Stu E

Dick still has the lead
Dick also now has honors

And yes, Stu has his honor in place
Even if Dick did stick it to him two years back
 
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Fun with Souza, Dick & Stu - Offseason Edition - Part VIII (conclusion)

Dick, Souza and Puff still look for Dick's lost ball
They look all round the green, and then to Tee Nine
There is a dazed man on the ground near the tee box
There is a dent in his steel work hat
The men think this may be a key clue
The men look close
They think this guy is one of them ...

"Mark, what the eff are you up to here?" barks Dick
"Don't you have more new dorms to build?" :mad:
"Hey, I sign the front of your pay check, Dick. Lay off"
"You look dumb with that hat, like Bob the Builder"
"Why does Dick talk to his big boss that way?" Souza asks Puff
"It helps when you are a lame duck. What does he stand to lose?"
"Good point" ...

Back at Green Eight, Stu feels as if he is out of his own body
The rest of the men are out of sight, and out of mind for now
Good Stu is perched on his right arm
Bad Stu is perched on his left arm
"Stu, how would you feel if you lost a hole in one?"
"Eff him, Stu. He did not give you your dream job"
"Poor Dick may not have shot an ace in his life. This is mean!"
"Dick will live just fine with his state paid stuff and no cheap ace!"
"How will you live with this, please do the right thing"
"Do the right thing and throw his ball in the drink, you wuss!!"

Stu looks at the balls one more time
One he knows for sure is his
One has blue paint chips on one side, but no name or marks
Stu walks to Tee Box Nine, as Dick still yells at his big boss

"So my shot hit you in the head ... you got in my way!!" :mad:
"No you jerk ... I was in back of the green, you git!!" :mad:
"You do not get to call me names. You are not pie zahn!! :mad:
"I can call you what ever I want to call you. I am the Prez!!" :mad:
"YOU STOLE MY YEAR!! NEXT YEAR WAS MY YEAR TO LEAVE, NOT YOURS!!" :mad:
"I OWN THIS PLACE, AND I CAN LEAVE ANY TIME WITH NO OK FROM YOU!! :mad:

Stu walks up to the two men, who are both red in the face with ire
"Can I see your hat for a sec, Mark?"
Stunned, Mark shuts up for a sec, and hands his hat to Stu
Stu turns his back to the men, and checks the ball with the dent in the hat
It is a match, right down to the blue paint specks
He turns back, and gives the hat back to Mark
"Dick, I think I have found your ball"
Dick turns to him and asks "So where did you find it Stu?"
"Please sit still when I tell you this, Coach"
"OUT WITH IT NOW, WHILE I'M YOUNG!!" :mad:
"I found it in the hole with my ball. You shot an ace, Coach" :)
Dick is stunned now :eek: :confused: :eek:
"This is not some sick joke, is it Stu?"
"No sir. This is the real thing. Way to go, Dick!!"

Dick begins to shed real tears of joy
"This has been the best round of my life!!"
"You are like the Vic in Caddy Shack, boss!!" chirps Stu
"So you think this was all luck then?" turns Dick
Stu looks at Mark's hat dent, and says "It's been your day, big guy"

Now Souza has a face that turns red
He thinks Stu now takes the suck up stuff a step too far
"I call BS on this crap" hisses Mike under his breath
"Did you try to say things to me just then, Mike?"
Stu steps in to save Mike's lunch
"God bless you, Souza. That was quite a sneeze"
Souza :rolleyes: but he keeps it to him self this time

Dick is filled with joy
Dick is also filled with <del>Busch</del> Tab
Dick will now pay for beers after the front nine
Dick will pay for Mark's wine to make it up to him too
Mark may not even sue Dick for that new lump on his head
Mike seethes :mad: as he goes back to Tee Nine
Stu feels like he did the right thing
Spot thinks Stu is nuts
But Spot thinks what Stu just did was way :cool:

Now five men approach Tee Nine
Dick and Mark walk first, arm in arm, like best buds
"So Mark, what is it with these steel poles on Hole Nine?"
"Dick, I got this idea from Puff. Let me tell you what it is ... "

The new score after eight holes (Par 30) stands:

*Dick -3 Souza E Stu E

Dick still has the lead
Dick also now has honors

And yes, Stu has his honor in place
Even if Dick did stick it to him two years back

Stu is more honest than I think I would have been. But, amazing recovery by Puff, as I thought that he had been carried off on a stretcher after his encounter with Spot a few holes back?

Meanwhile, Army and Mac schedules just out; Army visits UNH on December 9th, Mac visits UNH on December 10th, and UNH visits Mac on February 16th.
 
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