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UNH Wildcats 2017-2018 Season - The Quest Continues

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Not sure why Ayers would want to leave the Heights for Durham right now, even for a bump in title. Of course as a UNH fan I hope he does, because to listen to some on here he is one of those who has that "special status" that can help lead the 'Cats back to the top.

Curious...what is the 'special status' he seems to have? I doubt he'd come to be honest; I think it would be a pay cut?
 
Re: UNH Wildcats 2017-2018 Season - The Quest Continues

Curious...what is the 'special status' he seems to have? I doubt he'd come to be honest; I think it would be a pay cut?
Sorry HR....I was being snarky/sarcastic. (Perhaps there needs to be a button for that?) Anyway you mentioned it in your post. He is an alum. I remember reading on one of these threads a while back that as alums, Mike and Glenn had unique characteristics that would give them an edge over some of the other coaches in the league. So I was poking fun at that mindset.

On a more serious note, and as a veteran follower of the program, it seems to me that many of the successful recruiters have NOT been alums. The most obvious that come to mind is the McCloskey/Lassonde duo. Kullen recruited some pretty decent players during the Holt years. Going back even further was Bob Norton an alum? I don't know. And I'm sure I am missing some others.

At this point I wonder if being an alum is a liability. The program is so stuck in the mud right now that perhaps a fresh set of eyes from outside is what is needed....
 
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I was gonna to come on here and vent about leadership this morning, but 'Watcher beat me to it.

FWIW I agree with Felger ("you're absolutely right, Mike!"), no way Ayers comes back. Definitely not as second banana to Souza, which can't look like a promising prospect in light of not only this season, but the barren pipeline bereft of top level talent that's lined up for the foreseeable future. If you're Ayers, and you're going to hitch your wagon to Souza ... well, with Brown, that's Souza's first D-1 job, and a challenging one at that. But UConn ... well, they're still mediocre, to say the least (I guess Luce's "coaching tree" isn't exactly ripe with fruit yet). And now UNH is going steadily backwards. If Ayers wants to spend the next 5-10 years of his career being lead recruiter, he might as well stay at BC. Becoming the "McCloskey" to Souza's "Umile" won't get Ayers the HC job at his alma mater any time soon.

Over/under on the national search for the next HC: Spring 2021 or when BS35+? leaves, whichever comes first ;)

Five more years under the national search guy takes us to the 2026/2027 season, and if he tanks, Ayers may be next.

And of course, if Souza turns it around and succeeds (and I've been wrong on this before; e.cat will gleefully remind you I was ready to dump Coach McDonnell after his first 5 mediocre at best seasons at UNH) OR the national search guy comes up with the goods, then any chance of Ayers coming to UNH virtually disappears. He has his own ambitions, as well he should.

In reality, the designation of Souza as the "Chosen One" almost 3 years ago now ended any realistic chance of Ayers becoming UNH HC before he turns 50 (he turns 38 tomorrow - happy b-day Mike!), and closed off a lot of other options as well. Which makes it so important that UNH got this decision right. But unless he's a slam dunk awesome bench coach and instructor (and he may well be?), AND can bring in a top notch recruiter(s) to replace the current recruiting team (and let's face it, neither Souza nor Stewart have the top talent lining up to come to Durham), it's looking like it's going to be a LONG rest of the decade (and likely beyond) for the UNH faithful ...
 
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Sorry HR....I was being snarky/sarcastic. (Perhaps there needs to be a button for that?) Anyway you mentioned it in your post. He is an alum. I remember reading on one of these threads a while back that as alums, Mike and Glenn had unique characteristics that would give them an edge over some of the other coaches in the league. So I was poking fun at that mindset.

On a more serious note, and as a veteran follower of the program, it seems to me that many of the successful recruiters have NOT been alums. The most obvious that come to mind is the McCloskey/Lassonde duo. Kullen recruited some pretty decent players during the Holt years. Going back even further was Bob Norton an alum? I don't know. And I'm sure I am missing some others.

At this point I wonder if being an alum is a liability. The program is so stuck in the mud right now that perhaps a fresh set of eyes from outside is what is needed....

Honestly I don't think an alum is the answer either; unless they have proven themselves in what I believe is most important; get us playing decent, shut down DEFENSE and recruiting. Going the safe route for UNH hockey is just that; the safe route. I wonder just how much pull MS has in this decision...does he get to 'pick his staff'? I have no idea how any of that goes down. I'll bet we won't find out til well after the season anyway. (like the schedule, you know?) I don't think I've ever advocated for an alum. Just get the job done, get this program moving back in the right direction. I recognize this is going to take time, and this selection is critical to that end.
 
Will Clark get another chance this coming weekend?

I think that Clark and Robinson should each get a start in Orono. Tirone can come in as relief tender when either/both give up five goals in the first two periods, I know that is what I would do ....... if I were the HC. Also, I would give Fregina ice time in both games. And, Nick Nonis (who?), too!
 
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Will Clark get another chance this coming weekend?

Do you think he should play (Clark) Something tells me maybe they split the weekend, but it's all depending on Friday's results and this week in practice. DT seems to stand up pretty well against Maine (in the past, which also had UMaine nemesis Tyler Kelleher to haunt them) but this is a different Maine team right now. We're going to be battling THEIR goalie Swayman and they have some sharp shooters getting the job done (maybe not this past weekend). Not to mention the fact we are playing up there. So my real guess? Tirone gets the start both nights. Of course if you had told me that Clarky was going to get the start against BU I wouldn't have believed you. My real feelings? Split the duties. What the heck.
 
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On a more serious note, and as a veteran follower of the program, it seems to me that many of the successful recruiters have NOT been alums. The most obvious that come to mind is the McCloskey/Lassonde duo. Kullen recruited some pretty decent players during the Holt years. Going back even further was Bob Norton an alum? I don't know. And I'm sure I am missing some others.

I think Bob Norton was a Rutgers guy, Felger. Here's a link to his NESN bio (check out his "Pets" answer):

http://graphics.boston.com/sports/nesn/aboutus/onair/bobnorton.html

I've also seen him a few times at seminars around the State of NH. I think he was doing work as a compensation commissioner on the Board of Appeals a few years ago. His son Pat is the head coach at Tufts now, I believe.

Neither Borek nor Tortorella were UNH alums, to follow your point further ...
 
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I think that Clark and Robinson should each get a start in Orono. Tirone can come in as relief tender when either/both give up five goals in the first two periods, I know that is what I would do ....... if I were the HC. Also, I would give Fregina ice time in both games. And, Nick Nonis (who?), too!

Not sure Mike R's ankle is healed? But that doesn't mean Fregona doesn't deserve a shot. ho hum...
 
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Put me down for shared duties in goal for Clark and Tirone this weekend. I thought Robinson was out for awhile?
 
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Put me down for shared duties in goal for Clark and Tirone this weekend. I thought Robinson was out for awhile?

Hey I'd make the trek to Orono for that :D . Last reports was Mike R was out 3 weeks and I think that was announced at the Dartmouth/Yale weekend so maybe he's ready?
 
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Hey I'd make the trek to Orono for that :D . Last reports was Mike R was out 3 weeks and I think that was announced at the Dartmouth/Yale weekend so maybe he's ready?

Ankle issue and mono. Doubtful that we see him this weekend.
 
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Random Thoughts...

1 - Its laughable that Umile is fed up after THIS weekend. Of all the weekends to want to berate the team for poor performance - this isn't the one. They've lost over and over against teams of lesser or equivalent talent, whereas this weekend they faced two teams who are simply better and more talented. Watcher is right. They lost this weekend because Umile has put the program in a position where it doesn't match up - mainly a lack of attention or interest in recruiting. The roster is what it is...

2 - Mike Ayers would be about as good as UNH could hope to do with adding an assistant for next year. As I've had to say many times - he is not a defensive guy. He is an ex-goalie who has coached F's at Boston College. Still, he has learned under York at a winning program and played an active role in recruiting. He also has experience with the US NTDP and St. Cloud State (Bob Motzko). He has the connections, experience, program pedigree and ability to be a seemingly very intriguing candidate. Whether he would come or not is a separate issue I'm not even interested in getting into...

The likely candidate - in my mind - is Matt White. A choice that would be completely uninspiring. He would give UNH three coaching alums, who all cut there coaching and (more importantly) recruiting teeth at third-tier programs. But he is a defensemen and a teammate of Souza's at UNH. My opinion would be the same if they hired the other Brown assistant, as well. The guy who thought Jamie Hill would be an All-HE level scorer...

The hire should be a guy with much more experience and/or a more proven track record than Souza himself. That is what the best young coaches do - they hire people who are better than them, have had success and can teach them quite a bit. See Sean McVay (Miami University) of the LA Rams hiring Wade Phillips as his defensive coordinator. A Steve Miller at Ohio State type. But, I don't expect Souza to make that kind of decision...

3 - The best decision for UNH would be to open up a legitimate HEAD COACHING search and hire the best candidate - not the most likable UNH guy. That won't happen this summer - its Souza's job (obviously) - and it may not happen for a long time. Scarano never fires anyone and I'm scared to death of how long Souza's leash will be...

4 - The right move would be to play Clark Friday at Maine and see how he performs. But, of course, Tirone will start twice. He can do no wrong in their eyes. The continued touting of the save record leads me to believe my initial (long ago) hypothesis that they watch him make athletic saves in practice, paying no attention to how many pucks actually go in the net is how they differentiate him from the rest...

5 - No Kelleher/Poturalski type forwards and a Good Maine Goalie will result in more limited UNH offense, two more UNH losses and I suppose another delayed post-game conversation...

UNH SPCT Since 12/1

Tirone - .879 (-.007*)
Clark - .921
Robinson - .950

* Post BC differential
 
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I would give Fregona ice time in both games. And, Nick Nonis (who?), too!

Well, since they are celebrating the 40th anniversary of the Alfond on Friday night why not take a trip down memory lane to the time that the HC suspended a bunch of players for a game up there. Couldn't even dress the full compliment of skaters. went with three forward lines and four d-pairs. Might have been the only game Brian Foley ever played in. I said "played in" because he didn't finish it - got bounced for running a guy if I recall correctly. (Wow, can't believe that was twelve years ago. I don't know what that speaks more to - how time flies as you get older, or how long its has been since this program was really relevant.)

Anyhow, I know you are unhappy with the top couple of lines. So in keeping with the spirit of the evening perhaps suspend them and roll out Fregona and Frankie "Minus Two" Cefalu on the first line. Nonis can anchor the top defense pairing. And while you are at it grab a couple guys from Jackson's Landing to fill out the squad.
 
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I guess I have to be a little bit more careful how I write my responses. I think I'm ineligible at this point. :o ;)

hahaha gotcha for a change Chuck...just this once, mind you... :D ;) I was actually considering going Saturday, then, I came to my senses. (What's left of them this season, that is) Will watch the free stream and hope it holds up. Go 'Cats!!
 
Well, since they are celebrating the 40th anniversary of the Alfond on Friday night why not take a trip down memory lane to the time that the HC suspended a bunch of players for a game up there. Couldn't even dress the full compliment of skaters. went with three forward lines and four d-pairs. Might have been the only game Brian Foley ever played in. I said "played in" because he didn't finish it - got bounced for running a guy if I recall correctly. (Wow, can't believe that was twelve years ago. I don't know what that speaks more to - how time flies as you get older, or how long its has been since this program was really relevant.)

Anyhow, I know you are unhappy with the top couple of lines. So in keeping with the spirit of the evening perhaps suspend them and roll out Fregona and Frankie "Minus Two" Cefalu on the first line. Nonis can anchor the top defense pairing. And while you are at it grab a couple guys from Jackson's Landing to fill out the squad.

Indeed, a fantastic trip down memory lane, Felger. :-)

Were you in Orono that weekend? I vaguely remember these one-game expulsions, but I do not recall the details. According to the box scores, the six expelled UNH players (Trevor Smith, Brett Hemingway, Josh Ciocco, Mike Radja, Jerry Pollastrone, and Greg Collins) in the 4-2 loss on Friday night were back for the 7-4 win on Saturday night. There were 67 minutes in penalties on Friday (UNH 37, Maine 30), and 40 on Saturday (UNH 10, Maine 30). Brian Foley's 5 min roughing and 10 misconduct on Friday night were topped by Michel Levelle's two 2-min minors and 5- and 10-min misconducts on Saturday. Yes, two teams that routinely were in da Gahden for the HE tournament. Dem were da days. :-)

EDIT: oh, and Kevin Regan got a 2-min minor for Hitting after the Whistle on the Friday night. Did our UNH poster that I met at Conte yesterday take his screen name from this game? :-)
 
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Dan, it is Mark White and he is the name bandied about by the two former UNH players I’ve talked to. What’s the emoji for a shrug?
 
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It was another winless weekend for the 'Cats, as the 2018 portion of the UNH schedule now lacks any W's midway into the month, and as the games tick past us, UNH's chances for sending its legendary outgoing head coach off to retirement successfully are likewise slip sliding away. Each loss makes it less and less likely that Coach's "Long Goodbye Tour" will involve either one last trip to the Garden and/or to the national D-1 tourney. My, how things have changed over the last 7 games. And with the annual trip to the Downeast now coming up, and a rejuvenated UMaine program no doubt chomping at the bit with the imminent arrival of sugar-laden opposition from the NH Seacoast, it looks like it's time to put up or shut up for the 'Cats, as WIS presents its latest prognostications in this "Remember When UNH-UMaine Weekend Mattered a Lot?" edition of "Umile's Last Stand - The _____ for 600".

"Umile's Last Stand - The Quest for 600"

Coach Umile's current career wins total: 595
Wins Remaining to NRN (Next Round Number): 5
Games Remaining (plus 2 min. MBPBEGAM games): 14
Win Pct. Required to Hit Target: 35.7%
WIS Estimated Likelihood of Success: 55% :(
2017/2018 Cupcake Conversion Ratio (CCR): 5/12 (41.7%)

The loss to BC on Sunday afternoon wasn't surprising in the least, and the WIS panel was only off by one meaningless UNH goal from a direct hit on the score. Of more concern, WIS was close but not quite on Friday's 3-2 home loss to BU, which we predicted as a 2-1 win for the good guys in this space last week. The curiously timed switch to Adam Clark in goal didn't do the trick - nor did the predictable return to action for Tirone on Sunday at Chestnut Hill - as Coach Umile searches in vain to find the right formula to turn the ship around. It's been a LONG time since we've been able to tick a number off the Quest for the NRN, and it might not be until the weekend after next before we see any traction being made on that front. The debris of the devastating Brown "loss" continues to swirl around the 'Cats, as another season threatens to circle the drain. Perhaps fortunately, UMaine's rejuvenation hit a Northeastern iceberg this past weekend, so this isn't exactly going to be the Walshy/Standbrook version of the Black Bears we'll be seeing. UNH still has time to turn it around, sure ... but that time is steadily ticking away, and W's need to be grabbed quickly.

Looking at the big picture ... WIS' panel of experts had projected in the preseason that Coach Umile's Wildcats would amass at least 10 wins in the opening 19 game stretch of the season before turning the calendar into 2018. With only 9 wins in 22 games to date, this now amounts to much more than "a game late and a dollar short" stuff. Last week's comparison in this space to last year's freefall by UMass Flagship may have seemed harsh ... but with another tough weekend staring the boys in the face, there's no dount the Quest for the NRN is in extreme danger of failing to reach a happy ending. WIS still sees the NRN being attained, but chances for an unsuccessful fate crept ominously closer to 50-50 "coinflip" territory after this past weekend. It may take an upset win in Orono to keep that number from dropping under the 50% mark. With that said, here are the WIS panel's predictions for this coming weekend:

Predictions:

Friday: @ UMaine 5 UNH 0 :(
Saturday: UNH 3 @ UMaine 1 :)

NEXT CUPCAKE ON THE SHELF: 1/26/18 v. UConn

WIS CONTEST - GUESS THE DATE COACH HITS THE NRN!!!

Sad to say, but everyone except WIS is out of the running ... and WIS is virtually out as well, and our goose could be cooked unless UNH wins at least once this weekend. Yes, that's how dire things have been since early December. Suddenly it just feels very, very wrong to continue with this spectacle. But continue we must, at least for one more weekend:

<s>1/06/18 vs. Brown @ home: Snively65, HockeyRef</s>
<s>1/12/18 vs. BU @ home: phb, e.cat</s>
<s>1/19/18 vs. UMaine @ Alfond: Dan, deltabravo, Nifty16</s>
<s>1/20/18 vs. UMaine @ Alfond: After the Whistle, Scott, scoreboard, Darius</s>
<s>1/26/18 vs. UConn @ home: Aerman</s>
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2/03/18 vs. UMass @ home: WIS

Maybe we'll have to restart the contest from scratch OR maybe I get deemed to be the "closest loser" and spring for the drinks at Libby's anyway (albeit without the GOH, who presumably won't be in the mood to *celebrate" by then). I'm open to suggestions, but frankly I think we're all lost for words at this point. Please guys, just win a game.

Once we're done with the regular season, we'll turn our attention to the MBPBEGAM round of the HE "playoffs", and the GRSN - not to be confused with the NRN. This was brought to the fore by Dan regarding the prospects of Patrick Grasso's potentially lost season, and the chances he'll be allowed a "medical redshirt". A minimum of six (6) post-season games will be necessary for Grasso's 2017/2018 season not to become a total loss. So the Grasso Red Shirt Number sits at a 40 game UNH slate. The WIS panel sets Grasso's chances of following in the career path of the great Tommy Nolan to be Slight. We'll revisit this assessment periodically as things progress.

FOXHOLE CHALLENGE - US AGAINST THE WORLD (in honor of Felger)

Us 0
The World 3

GO UNH - GOT TO GET THE GOODBYE TOUR TO THE GAHDEN!!!
 
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