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UNH Wildcats 2016 Offseason Thread - Searching for Direction

Re: UNH Wildcats 2016 Offseason Thread - Searching for Direction

OK so someone's got to take on "wet blanket" duty, and I'm here to do a little of that ... :(

First, briefly a note on our guests from New Brunswick ... if ever there was a ready-made team for the Federal League, this was it. Just a couple of guys with decent talent, a lot of low talent (and slow) players, and I think we got a sense from some of the 19 kids who skated for them last night what we missed out on the previous night down in North Andover....One can only imagine what their missing players from the previous evening's melee would have brought.

Obviously, given my username, I am a bit biased here, but I am going to take exception to this. You do realize UNB has beaten the likes of Providence/BC (x2)/Union/Denver/Maine (x3)/Vermont (x2)/RPI/Holy Cross/UMass (x2)/New Hampshire over the last 8 or so years? They also beat Portland of the AHL last year. They take these games against NCAA teams quite seriously and generally do quite well in them. The games they have played against NCAA teams over the last decade have all been very competitive for the most part. Obviously this wasn't their best weekend, but it wasn't like they were getting beat 8-0 and out-shot 60-10 or something. I believe Jerry York has said on a couple of occasions that UNB wouldn't look out of place at all if they were in Hockey East.

As for the guys that they were missing yesterday...they included 4 players (3 defencemen) who attended NHL training camps this summer/fall as well as a top line forward. In fact, I believe they only played with 4 defencemen yesterday. With all of those guys in the line-up you can imagine an even closer game. They also have two former NHL draft picks on their team (which is the same number as UNH I believe? Correct me if I'm wrong on that though) and basically every player on their team was a top-6 F/top-4 D on their CHL team and some have already played in the AHL/ECHL. So to say they are full of guys with decent at best talent seems a but of a stretch and somewhat disrespectful. These aren't beer-league players we are talking about. Many will go play pro somewhere after they finish their university careers.

With regards to the penalties and "goonery"...I certainly don't condone the actions that reportedly took place against Merrimack, and reading the reports afterwards made me a bit embarrassed and disappointed about their undisciplined play. Having said that, the NCAA game is certainly called much, much differently than the CIS game (majors for 'face-washing' and 'hitting after the whistle' are minor or double-minor penalties here) and no doubt the players were getting frustrated the longer the game went on. Keep in mind too that the average CIS player is bigger and stronger than the average NCAA player (and the CIS in general plays a more physical style of game) so hits that might be fine against a bigger CIS player might look really bad against a smaller NCAA player. Also, the NCAA is much quicker than the CIS which undoubtedly leads to the CIS taking more hooking/tripping type of penalties. Also, the fact that so many games had a high number of penalties leads me to believe that maybe NCAA refs are calling it tighter than usual this year? I certainly don't remember many (if any) UNB/NCAA games that disintegrated into the gong show that we saw Saturday night.

Anyways, I don't want to get into a back and forth here, I just wanted to throw in my two cents and try to defend my team and clear up some common misconceptions.
 
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Re: UNH Wildcats 2016 Offseason Thread - Searching for Direction

"UNH Hockey 2016 - It's All Sunshine & Balloons Here in Durham - Just Ask Marty!!"

"UNH Hockey 2016 - There's (Almost) Nowhere to Go But Up from 10th Place!!"

Personally, I thought my earlier suggestions left things open for interpretation:

* UNH Wildcats 2016 - Onwards with "The _______ to 600" lots of options to fill in the blank
* UNH Wildcats 2016 - Umile's Last Stand? (all due deference to Page/Plant) question mark invites debate
* UNH Wildcats 2016 - Circling the Wagons ... or Circling the Drain? positive and negative choice

Snively65 - there are better ways to bug the Chestnut Hillbillies than bait them with the title of a UNH thread. :confused:

I vote for the new bolded title, even if it will not bug the CH's. :)
 
Re: UNH Wildcats 2016 Offseason Thread - Searching for Direction

"UNH Hockey 2016 - It's All Sunshine & Balloons Here in Durham - Just Ask Marty!!"

"UNH Hockey 2016 - There's (Almost) Nowhere to Go But Up from 10th Place!!"

Personally, I thought my earlier suggestions left things open for interpretation:

* UNH Wildcats 2016 - Onwards with "The _______ to 600" lots of options to fill in the blank
* UNH Wildcats 2016 - Umile's Last Stand? (all due deference to Page/Plant) question mark invites debate
* UNH Wildcats 2016 - Circling the Wagons ... or Circling the Drain? positive and negative choice

Snively65 - there are better ways to bug the Chestnut Hillbillies than bait them with the title of a UNH thread. :confused:

Hahahaha very funny. Let's go with the most obnoxious thing we can possibly think of! That way, the powers that be in Durham will surely bend to our will. ;)
 
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Hahahaha very funny. Let's go with the most obnoxious thing we can possibly think of! That way, the powers that be in Durham will surely bend to our will. ;)

Cool - good plan, HR. :D I do the obnoxious thing better than most. It's a personal strength these days. :)

Hey, look - I even got the nice UNB poster p.o.'ed at me. Do you know how difficult it is to p.o. a Canadian?

I love Canadians - we're practically kin. If it turned out BS35+4 was Canadian, I'd give him a full pardon. :eek:
 
Re: UNH Wildcats 2016 Offseason Thread - Searching for Direction

So ... I saw some discussion earlier in the thread on whether Cleland would be eligible for the must-win opener vs. Bentley. There was a strong lean towards "yes". Do we know the answer definitively yet?

I sure hope he can play, 'cuz his absence was notable/noticeable (and not in a good way) ...
 
Re: UNH Wildcats 2016 Offseason Thread - Searching for Direction

Obviously, given my username, I am a bit biased here, but I am going to take exception to this. You do realize UNB has beaten the likes of Providence/BC (x2)/Union/Denver/Maine (x3)/Vermont (x2)/RPI/Holy Cross/UMass (x2)/New Hampshire over the last 8 or so years? They also beat Portland of the AHL last year. They take these games against NCAA teams quite seriously and generally do quite well in them. The games they have played against NCAA teams over the last decade have all been very competitive for the most part. Obviously this wasn't their best weekend, but it wasn't like they were getting beat 8-0 and out-shot 60-10 or something. I believe Jerry York has said on a couple of occasions that UNB wouldn't look out of place at all if they were in Hockey East.

You have to realize ... Jerry York doesn't say bad things about anybody. When he says "UNB wouldn't look out of place at all in HE" you use your Yorkie-to-English dictionary to translate that into "UMass could use some competition down at the bottom of the standings". His true gift (among many others) is that he seems genuine when he says things like that. As opposed to Walshy (RIP), who would say some of the same things back in the day, without sounding genuine, and then everybody's reaction would be :rolleyes: "Walshy being Walshy".

As for the guys that they were missing yesterday...they included 4 players (3 defencemen) who attended NHL training camps this summer/fall as well as a top line forward. In fact, I believe they only played with 4 defencemen yesterday. With all of those guys in the line-up you can imagine an even closer game. They also have two former NHL draft picks on their team (which is the same number as UNH I believe? Correct me if I'm wrong on that though) and basically every player on their team was a top-6 F/top-4 D on their CHL team and some have already played in the AHL/ECHL. So to say they are full of guys with decent at best talent seems a but of a stretch and somewhat disrespectful. These aren't beer-league players we are talking about. Many will go play pro somewhere after they finish their university careers.

To be fair, not all that far removed from what UNH has. I love the fact that (as you allude to below) some of these guys have already played pro hockey before ... and may play there (again) in the future.

I'll apologize for the Federal League reference for two reasons - one, I should have described them as an ECHL ready team (which you've basically confirmed), and two, I'd forgotten there really IS a Federal League (not just in "Slapshot"), which apparently considers itself as a feeder league to the "vaunted" ECHL (see website link below - "26 Former FHL Players on ECHL Training Camp Rosters"):

http://www.federalhockey.com

But the apple doesn't fall far from the tree - check the FHL Wiki page for the tenuous nature of their franchises, shutdowns, relocations, etc. Makes the ECHL look like the Original Six by comparison:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Hockey_League

I'd actually forgotten that NH has a second professional team - the Berlin River Drivers!!

With regards to the penalties and "goonery"...I certainly don't condone the actions that reportedly took place against Merrimack, and reading the reports afterwards made me a bit embarrassed and disappointed about their undisciplined play. Having said that, the NCAA game is certainly called much, much differently than the CIS game (majors for 'face-washing' and 'hitting after the whistle' are minor or double-minor penalties here) and no doubt the players were getting frustrated the longer the game went on. Keep in mind too that the average CIS player is bigger and stronger than the average NCAA player (and the CIS in general plays a more physical style of game) so hits that might be fine against a bigger CIS player might look really bad against a smaller NCAA player. Also, the NCAA is much quicker than the CIS which undoubtedly leads to the CIS taking more hooking/tripping type of penalties. Also, the fact that so many games had a high number of penalties leads me to believe that maybe NCAA refs are calling it tighter than usual this year? I certainly don't remember many (if any) UNB/NCAA games that disintegrated into the gong show that we saw Saturday night.

Yeah, things get called a little (too) tightly in the NCAA these days. That's a tough adjustment for players used to playing to a slightly more hands-off standard - especially players who've already experienced pro hockey.

Anyways, I don't want to get into a back and forth here, I just wanted to throw in my two cents and try to defend my team and clear up some common misconceptions.

Appreciated. BTW - why "Varsity Reds"? Seems a little low on the imagination scale ... although I understand not everyone can enjoy the privilege of playing for the Berlin River Drivers!! ;)
 
Re: UNH Wildcats 2016 Offseason Thread - Searching for Direction

So ... I saw some discussion earlier in the thread on whether Cleland would be eligible for the must-win opener vs. Bentley. There was a strong lean towards "yes". Do we know the answer definitively yet?

I sure hope he can play, 'cuz his absence was notable/noticeable (and not in a good way) ...

Was not at the game but, from what I read here, there is a question as to whether he got a Game Misconduct or Game DQ. If it was a league game, a Game Misconduct would not make him ineligible for the next game. If it was a Game DQ, then he would be ineligible. My sense, however, is that none of this applies since it was an exhibition game to boot. So I think he will be eligible.
 
Re: UNH Wildcats 2016 Offseason Thread - Searching for Direction

On to No. 572. Regardless who wins, only three entries in the 9-goal over/under poll so far.
 
Re: UNH Wildcats 2016 Offseason Thread - Searching for Direction

So ... I saw some discussion earlier in the thread on whether Cleland would be eligible for the must-win opener vs. Bentley. There was a strong lean towards "yes". Do we know the answer definitively yet?

I sure hope he can play, 'cuz his absence was notable/noticeable (and not in a good way) ...

This has/ was discussed on the exhibition thread...it was listed as a game misconduct and not a disqualification which makes a difference. GM is not a suspension for a game where DQ is...and yes, these exhibition games do count as far as the NCAA is concerned regarding behavior. Wednesday the team will have a presser; maybe it will be discussed then...I have my 'people' checking that out ;) yeah...we do need him...especially him!!!

Here's one post:

If it's just a MISCONDUCT, the player is still eligible per normal MISCONDUCT rules. If it's a DISQUALIFICATION, as were the BG players, the player must sit out the next game, or games, per the DISQUALIFICATION rules.

The only thing that affects the NCAA in these games are injuries and disqualifications. In the case of the Windsor players being assessed DISQUALIFICATION penalties in the BG game, they should be suspended for the next game they play against an NCAA team (Michigan today). I do not know if that happened or not.
 
Re: UNH Wildcats 2016 Offseason Thread - Searching for Direction

This has/ was discussed on the exhibition thread...it was listed as a game misconduct and not a disqualification which makes a difference. GM is not a suspension for a game where DQ is...and yes, these exhibition games do count as far as the NCAA is concerned regarding behavior. Wednesday the team will have a presser; maybe it will be discussed then...I have my 'people' checking that out ;) yeah...we do need him...especially him!!!

Here's one post:

If it's just a MISCONDUCT, the player is still eligible per normal MISCONDUCT rules. If it's a DISQUALIFICATION, as were the BG players, the player must sit out the next game, or games, per the DISQUALIFICATION rules.

The only thing that affects the NCAA in these games are injuries and disqualifications. In the case of the Windsor players being assessed DISQUALIFICATION penalties in the BG game, they should be suspended for the next game they play against an NCAA team (Michigan today). I do not know if that happened or not.
This is correct.
The nature of the penalty can be found in the box score at HockeyEastOnline.
Link: UNH-6 Matias Cleland (10-Game Misconduct)
If that said 'Game Disqualification', he's suspended the next game.
 
Re: UNH Wildcats 2016 Offseason Thread - Searching for Direction

"UNH Hockey 2016 - It's All Sunshine & Balloons Here in Durham - Just Ask Marty!!"

"UNH Hockey 2016 - There's (Almost) Nowhere to Go But Up from 10th Place!!"

Personally, I thought my earlier suggestions left things open for interpretation:

* UNH Wildcats 2016 - Onwards with "The _______ to 600" lots of options to fill in the blank
* UNH Wildcats 2016 - Umile's Last Stand? (all due deference to Page/Plant) question mark invites debate
* UNH Wildcats 2016 - Circling the Wagons ... or Circling the Drain? positive and negative choice

Snively65 - there are better ways to bug the Chestnut Hillbillies than bait them with the title of a UNH thread. :confused:

As of today (5 October), here are some other HEA 2016-2017 thread titles, with greatest optimism toward the top:

PC - on the road to Chicago
UML - Hoping for Chicago
NU - Great Expectations
UVM - Go Cats Go
Maine - season thread
BC - 2016-2017 Season Thread
Mac - 2016-2017
UConn - 2016-2017
 
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As of today (5 October), here are some other HEA 2016-2017 thread titles, with greatest optimism toward the top:

PC - on the road to Chicago
UML - Hoping for Chicago
NU - Great Expectations
UVM - Go Cats Go
Maine - season thread
BC - 2016-2017 Season Thread
Mac - 2016-2017
UConn - 2016-2017

Yeah, I did notice those. I'd rather go with a basic thread title rather than continue to paint the obvious...but whatever. Thread title or no, we are going to have a hockey season here....Most people who post here prob don't care one way or the other what we call the thread. 'cept Chuck. ;)
 
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Yeah, I did notice those. I'd rather go with a basic thread title rather than continue to paint the obvious...but whatever. Thread title or no, we are going to have a hockey season here....Most people who post here prob don't care one way or the other what we call the thread. 'cept Chuck. ;)

UNH Wildcats 2016-17 -- We Have a Hockey Season Here!
 
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Obviously, given my username, I am a bit biased here, but I am going to take exception to this. You do realize UNB has beaten the likes of Providence/BC (x2)/Union/Denver/Maine (x3)/Vermont (x2)/RPI/Holy Cross/UMass (x2)/New Hampshire over the last 8 or so years? They also beat Portland of the AHL last year. They take these games against NCAA teams quite seriously and generally do quite well in them. The games they have played against NCAA teams over the last decade have all been very competitive for the most part. Obviously this wasn't their best weekend, but it wasn't like they were getting beat 8-0 and out-shot 60-10 or something. I believe Jerry York has said on a couple of occasions that UNB wouldn't look out of place at all if they were in Hockey East.

As for the guys that they were missing yesterday...they included 4 players (3 defencemen) who attended NHL training camps this summer/fall as well as a top line forward. In fact, I believe they only played with 4 defencemen yesterday. With all of those guys in the line-up you can imagine an even closer game. They also have two former NHL draft picks on their team (which is the same number as UNH I believe? Correct me if I'm wrong on that though) and basically every player on their team was a top-6 F/top-4 D on their CHL team and some have already played in the AHL/ECHL. So to say they are full of guys with decent at best talent seems a but of a stretch and somewhat disrespectful. These aren't beer-league players we are talking about. Many will go play pro somewhere after they finish their university careers.

With regards to the penalties and "goonery"...I certainly don't condone the actions that reportedly took place against Merrimack, and reading the reports afterwards made me a bit embarrassed and disappointed about their undisciplined play. Having said that, the NCAA game is certainly called much, much differently than the CIS game (majors for 'face-washing' and 'hitting after the whistle' are minor or double-minor penalties here) and no doubt the players were getting frustrated the longer the game went on. Keep in mind too that the average CIS player is bigger and stronger than the average NCAA player (and the CIS in general plays a more physical style of game) so hits that might be fine against a bigger CIS player might look really bad against a smaller NCAA player. Also, the NCAA is much quicker than the CIS which undoubtedly leads to the CIS taking more hooking/tripping type of penalties. Also, the fact that so many games had a high number of penalties leads me to believe that maybe NCAA refs are calling it tighter than usual this year? I certainly don't remember many (if any) UNB/NCAA games that disintegrated into the gong show that we saw Saturday night.

Anyways, I don't want to get into a back and forth here, I just wanted to throw in my two cents and try to defend my team and clear up some common misconceptions.

Glad you joined the discussion UNB Bruins Fan

I felt you had a very respectable team on the ice. Not as fast as UNH but thought that they were skilled and certainly able to finish their checks. We recruit for the big ice surface which often means small, shifty and fast. UNH is not, and has not not been a physical team for years. They will have an occasional individual who will stand someone up at the blue line but if they get a penalty, it appears that they could pay a price on the bench for such activity. i did not see the hit on Vela and have read differing views on whether or not it was a cheap hit. In general I saw your guys put the hurt on several players on the boards in front of me. Your boys finish a play and do it hard. Not unlike several HE teams we see on a regular basis.

I felt we played a very respectable game for our first outing with all new lines and much new personnel. I also thought that there was lots of energy with perhaps early season lack of full execution. It was great to be back at the Witt and I look forward to an improved year.

I'm a little concerned with how much emphasis has been put on getting off to a great start. Coach and players putting a lot of emphasis on this. It is a double edged sword in my books. It certainly sets the tone and looks positive and optimistic but if it doesn't happen, can turn into a big a heavy load for such a young team. I would have preferred something along the lines of- we like what we have and we think we can be tons better than the pre-season predictions. We will surprise you!
 
Glad you joined the discussion UNB Bruins Fan

I felt you had a very respectable team on the ice. Not as fast as UNH but thought that they were skilled and certainly able to finish their checks. We recruit for the big ice surface which often means small, shifty and fast. UNH is not, and has not not been a physical team for years. They will have an occasional individual who will stand someone up at the blue line but if they get a penalty, it appears that they could pay a price on the bench for such activity. i did not see the hit on Vela and have read differing views on whether or not it was a cheap hit. In general I saw your guys put the hurt on several players on the boards in front of me. Your boys finish a play and do it hard. Not unlike several HE teams we see on a regular basis.

I felt we played a very respectable game for our first outing with all new lines and much new personnel. I also thought that there was lots of energy with perhaps early season lack of full execution. It was great to be back at the Witt and I look forward to an improved year.

I'm a little concerned with how much emphasis has been put on getting off to a great start. Coach and players putting a lot of emphasis on this. It is a double edged sword in my books. It certainly sets the tone and looks positive and optimistic but if it doesn't happen, can turn into a big a heavy load for such a young team. I would have preferred something along the lines of- we like what we have and we think we can be tons better than the pre-season predictions. We will surprise you!

You make a valid point about the "fast start" talk because if we all recall that was last years mantra and I don't think I need to remind you where we were by Nov1...A disappointing opening weekend with two losses to Clarkson/SLU then off to Michigan State where...Anyhoo very good point. This IS a young team and like you I look for a surprise or two along the way.
 
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You make a valid point about the "fast start" talk because if we all recall that was last years mantra and I don't think I need to remind you where we were by Nov1...A disappointing opening weekend with two losses to Clarkson/SLU then off to Michigan State where...Anyhoo very good point. This IS a young team and like you I look for a surprise or two along the way.

Other than loss of Pots, we might be better overall on the forward lines, about the same on the blue line, and stronger in net with two healthy goalies, assuming that they both stay healthy.
 
Why a strong start isn't a luxury this year - it's almost mandatory

Why a strong start isn't a luxury this year - it's almost mandatory

I'm a little concerned with how much emphasis has been put on getting off to a great start. Coach and players putting a lot of emphasis on this. It is a double edged sword in my books. It certainly sets the tone and looks positive and optimistic but if it doesn't happen, can turn into a big a heavy load for such a young team. I would have preferred something along the lines of- we like what we have and we think we can be tons better than the pre-season predictions. We will surprise you!

You've seen what the schedule looks like before and then after New Year's, haven't you? :confused:

The "must-win" thing I've been touting against Bentley is (of course) an exaggeration ... but there is a point there, and it's that the schedule has been stacked with relative creampuffs early AND often. We can discuss and debate if this is or isn't an attempt by our illustrious and inventive AD to prop up a coach, or to get him to the next round number so he can ride off into the sunset with some purpose to justify the multi-year holding pattern the program has been stuck in (and likely will continue with) for quite awhile. But it's there for a reason, and a so-so start isn't one of the options.

A slow start this year really puts the team, the program, the lame-duck coach and his enabling AD in a very tough spot.

UNH can't afford NOT to win at least 10 games before 2017 arrives, 'cuz if you see even half that amount in the second half schedule, then I say you're an unbridled optimist, and swimming against a strong tide. I REALLY do want to be wrong about this (heart), but objectively (head) I don't see this team thriving once it hits the iron of its 2017 HE RS schedule. Let's not forget what happened when the calendar turned midway through last season. God forbid, UNH struggles out of the gate against the parade of cupcakes, and then you're looking at single-digits in wins, The _____ to 600 is realistically dead in the water, and questions really get asked about this elongated transitional process.

So there's a lot on the line this time around for a quick start. If there wasn't, do you think the schedule would look the way it does? You realize that's where the AD/coach do have some control over their scheduling ... and it speaks volumes.
 
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