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UNH Wildcats 2015-2016 (Part Two) - Managing Decreasing Expectations

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Snively65 said:
*** was JA thinking? If you want to burn household items, you do so in a 55-gallon drum in the back yard.

I cannot find the UNH-UVM game thread!
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I know right? I was going to start one and didn't thin there would be any interest?!? Ok started one don't know what it will generate but it's up there!! Swing away!! Oh and Happy New Year!!!
 
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Dumbazz move by JA if he's guilty. Too bad, looks like he was having a great season with the Everblades. :mad:
 
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Scott said:
Dumbazz move by JA if he's guilty. Too bad, looks like he was having a great season with the Everblades. :mad:
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Shocking ... young kid in goon hockey league does something stupid off the ice. Pictures at 11. :rolleyes:

Perhaps a domestic disturbance of some sort to lead to ... this? :eek: Truly bizarre if otherwise ...
 
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Bomber - my apologies in advance for dragging your recent post regarding Coach Umile on the UNH-UMaine "Wheels on the House" thread over to this thread, but figured it might be around awhile longer this way ...

bomberhockey said:
Pretty sure his contracts were in 5 year increments. Didn't get this 3 year until Souza was signed on the dotted line. Marty was stalling on the extension until this plan went into place. Marty had abandoned the Borek/ Stewie plan threatened national search. Now everyone is happy! If DU really loved his alma mater he would have stepped down 5-7 years ago when he retired. Too bad his legacy will be tarnished for Money!
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Fascinating stuff, and a compelling look behind the curtain IF there is accuracy (and you've had good info in the past). Never imagined there was ever a "Borek/Stewart" plan :eek: until your previous recent posts on the subject of Coach Borek. Are we to assume from your post that Stewart is now happy, too?

And did Coach Umile "retire" in some sense 5-7 years ago, or was that meant to read "should have retired"? :confused:
 
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Chuck Murray said:
Bomber - my apologies in advance for dragging your recent post regarding Coach Umile on the UNH-UMaine "Wheels on the House" thread over to this thread, but figured it might be around awhile longer this way ...



Fascinating stuff, and a compelling look behind the curtain IF there is accuracy (and you've had good info in the past). Never imagined there was ever a "Borek/Stewart" plan :eek: until your previous recent posts on the subject of Coach Borek. Are we to assume from your post that Stewart is now happy, too?

And did Coach Umile "retire" in some sense 5-7 years ago, or was that meant to read "should have retired"? :confused:
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I'm responding to Bomber's quote, not Chuck's. Bomber, you note that, if Umile really loved UNH, he would have retired 5-7 years ago and seem to deride him for not doing so because of money. Two questions for you. First, Umile just turned 67, so if he had made the decision to retire seven years ago, it would have been when he was 59. Now I don't know you at all, so I don't know if you are an old geezer, a young whippersnapper, or independently wealthy. But I think you would agree that most of us are not in a position to just chuck it all at 59, or 62, or even 67, especially when we are getting paid handsomely to do something we love. And, second, since when is it a bad thing to think about the money? It makes the world go 'round.

I've said this before and will say it again. Back in 2000, at the height of Wildcat Hockey mania and when Umile was 51, he was smart enough to parlay his dalliance with the UMass job to get himself a favorable contract with UNH. That was a few university presidents ago and before Scarano was established as AD. Everything that has gone on since is a product of the agreement that Umile and UNH reached at that time. Whether you or anybody else thinks that his time passed several years ago, the fact is that Umile is respected and admired by those at UNH whose opinions count. Umile has this three year extension which means he will be retiring at 69 after nearly 30 years as a coach. Like all coaches in college hockey, he has made his share of mistakes and, as I and many others have said, he sometimes has been too loyal to a fault. But in the grand scheme, he has been more successful as a college hockey coach than all but a few of his peers and he should be recognized for that. At this point, it is what it is. Instead of rueing what might have been, let's focus on the future and hope Souza can lead us to a return of the better days of yesteryear.
 
Chuck Murray said:
Bomber - my apologies in advance for dragging your recent post regarding Coach Umile on the UNH-UMaine "Wheels on the House" thread over to this thread, but figured it might be around awhile longer this way ...



Fascinating stuff, and a compelling look behind the curtain IF there is accuracy (and you've had good info in the past). Never imagined there was ever a "Borek/Stewart" plan :eek: until your previous recent posts on the subject of Coach Borek. Are we to assume from your post that Stewart is now happy, too?

And did Coach Umile "retire" in some sense 5-7 years ago, or was that meant to read "should have retired"? :confused:
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I can't speak for Stewie's present state but I'm told he wanted answers when this first transpired, being an alum, 100 point club, 13 years of coaching and recruiting at schools where hockey mattered. Why no look see, Marty told essentially to pound sand. And yes should have retired, now he hurting the school he loves. He Hung it up a few years ago just at full salary. Again I take no pleasure in writing this but I heard about all the frustrations behind the curtain, for at least 5 years. It's a shame, the recruiting landscape ain't getting any easier, big 10, ASU how long until a PAC 12? Hockey's not a regional sport anymore. Can't fall behind now!
 
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C-H-C said:
"UNH Captain's Corner: Review of First Half of 2015-16 Season"
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Glad to see what actually happened on that first goal; couldn't tell what happened from where we were sitting. As for the rest of them, obvious UVM was one step ahead most of the night and the OT goal? Completely left uncovered. And I couldn't feel worse for CMacD with his injury. Glad he's taking it in stride and I'm sure he's a vital part of the team.
 
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HockeyRef said:
And I couldn't feel worse for CMacD with his injury. Glad he's taking it in stride and I'm sure he's a vital part of the team.
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I feel bad for him - check. I'm glad he's taking it in stride, too - check. Two out of three ain't bad.
 
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Chuck Murray said:
I feel bad for him - check. I'm glad he's taking it in stride, too - check. Two out of three ain't bad.
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Chuck....I know from the get go you never thought he was 'captain material' and frankly I'm going to say that he is absolutely a vital part of this team in leadership. I held my tongue on the earlier convos regarding this but I'm going to say it's just plain callous that you would discount him even in his time of injury. But this board isn't the place for compassion now is it? Over and out...I'm just too soft for this I guess. Should stick with the cheerleading...sigh.
 
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HockeyRef said:
Glad to see what actually happened on that first goal; couldn't tell what happened from where we were sitting. As for the rest of them, obvious UVM was one step ahead most of the night and the OT goal? Completely left uncovered. And I couldn't feel worse for CMacD with his injury. Glad he's taking it in stride and I'm sure he's a vital part of the team.
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Agree with everything here. Thanks to Mike for the interview with Collin, which had to be a tough one wth his last question. As for the video clips, wrap-around goal by Pots looked even more amazing than it did to me at the opposite end of the rink. On the first UVM goal, I had a better view than that shown in be video; at the JAR, that puck would have been blown dead, as it would have hit the roof. I think that UVM, especially with Privitera and Munson playing so well, is going be tough at the Whitt next month. But, cannot look ahead to those games, with the Riverhawks (Ospreys?) coming to the Whitt this Friday.
 
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Just being honest on the realities of the situation, HR. Yeah, I have plenty of compassion for the injury, as MacDonald has been snakebit over large stretches of his UNH career, no doubt. I wouldn't wish that on anyone. That has to be (very) frustrating to him, which comes through in C-H-C's interview. And it looks like he's handling the situation as well as anyone could expect him to. Kudos to him.

That's compassion from my standpoint ... but pretending he's a "vital part of the team" is straining for praise with platitudes, if not just plain outright patronizing, and (yet again) puts him well above his station IMO. Just like his teammates did back in April.

The word vital is defined as "absolutely necessary or important".

Who deserves to be considered "vital"? Poturalski and Kelleher for sure, probably Tirone (more for the lack of depth behind him than for All-HE level performance, which isn't there yet), probably Correale for filling the on-ice captaincy void, and probably Cleland who gets the key minutes for the team on the blue line. As a concept, it's "vital" that there be more scoring depth up front, and the recent streak has confirmed the importance of that ... and it's "vital" that the defense develops an ability to transition the puck out of its own zone better.

MacDonald has been replaced on the ice by Jamie Hill. Is anyone referring to Hill as a "vital part of the team"? I doubt it. But since he took the role opened by MacDonald on the Maginot Line, that line has consistently played much better - no? And the team turned things around with a six-game unbeaten streak. MacDonald dressed for only one (1) of those games - the 3-3 tie in Orono, when he got hurt.

MacDonald still has the worst plus/minus (-6) of the UNH forwards, while Hill is a more respectable -1. Hill has outperformed MacDonald in every measurable category, and passes the eye test too as the better of the two players when he's out there. Gaudreault and Smith have both played much better in recent weeks with Hill skating on their right wing. Literally, the only regular player on the roster who is not outscoring MacDonald this season is Danny Tirone :eek: ... and that's only by a single point.

Ironically, it was the same players who made the decision to pick MacDonald as their captain, who are now showing in his absence that their captain is not the "vital" presence they expected (hoped?) him to be.

That's the players' collective fault, and Coach Umile's fault for not overriding their decision. I'm not blaming MacDonald for being the same player he always has been ... and "vital" just doesn't fit the bill. Sorry. :(

You say "callous" ... I say "objective".
 
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bomberhockey said:
I can't speak for Stewie's present state but I'm told he wanted answers when this first transpired, being an alum, 100 point club, 13 years of coaching and recruiting at schools where hockey mattered. Why no look see, Marty told essentially to pound sand. And yes should have retired, now he hurting the school he loves. He Hung it up a few years ago just at full salary. Again I take no pleasure in writing this but I heard about all the frustrations behind the curtain, for at least 5 years. It's a shame, the recruiting landscape ain't getting any easier, big 10, ASU how long until a PAC 12? Hockey's not a regional sport anymore. Can't fall behind now!
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Won't speak much about the Stewart situation although, I will say, if Stewart is so po'd, why is he still here? if your description of Scarano's retort is accurate, I wouldn't be surprised. Marty's people skills aren't the best. As for Umile, you're pretty cavalier about somebody else's career. Umile started this season at age 66. From the looks of it, you wanted him to retire at 60, if not earlier. As I said yesterday, why would someone want to retire early from a job he loves and is well paid just so somebody else can allegedly do the job better. Umile rightfully has a lot of confidence in his ability. Where his confidence in his ability has been misplaced at times is his confidence in others. While some of us could see the obvious here, the administration chose not to call him out on his decisions on who he retains or hires. Inaction by Marty and others is based on two things, the respect for the man and the terms of the deal they made almost 16 years ago.
 
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