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UNH Wildcats 2015-2016 (Part Three) - Living in Interesting Times

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Well with four post season tourneys OTHER than the NCAA's, I guess somebody has to play in them.

UNH actually had the luxury to turn down one of the others...

Fire Away, Chuck
 
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Holy crap. I check in late today, and the world awaits my purported creativity over ... college hoops?? :eek: :eek:

I never knew there were college hoop postseason tourneys other than the NCAA's and the NIT.

How about BPoG&MG (Bottomless Pit of Greed & Meaningless Games)??? :confused:

That's all I got, folks. Hoops just doesn't do it for me, sorry. :(
 
Chuck Murray said:
Holy crap. I check in late today, and the world awaits my purported creativity over ... college hoops?? :eek: :eek:

I never knew there were college hoop postseason tourneys other than the NCAA's and the NIT.

How about BPoG&MG (Bottomless Pit of Greed & Meaningless Games)??? :confused:

That's all I got, folks. Hoops just doesn't do it for me, sorry. :(
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Greed definitely needs to be there considering unh is paying to be in the cit
 
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Snively65 said:
All right, time to fess up, who here is Shawn Joyce, former season holder from Rye, NH?
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I've tapped out of my 10 free visits for the month. :( I'll have to check back in a couple of weeks.

There are hundreds - if not thousands - of Shawn Joyces out there, just waiting for things to change.
 
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Chuck Murray said:
I've tapped out of my 10 free visits for the month. :( I'll have to check back in a couple of weeks.
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Hi Chuck,
The letter is written out below...


LETTER TO THE EDITOR
It's time for Souza to be in charge of UNH hockey

March 12 — To the Editor:

This letter is in response to “Wildcats end season on dismal note - Finish with worst record in almost 30 years, Portsmouth Herald 3/11/16.”

Last summer, I wrote the following in response to “The Heir Apparent UNH Extends Umile, but Souza in line as successor, Portsmouth Herald 8/22/15.” I, like many season ticket holders, did not attend any games this year and from all the empty seats shown on televised games, it is obvious that support for the program is eroding. Fans can only hope that Umile and leadership folks at UNH athletics do the right thing.

Dick Umile is a great guy and the fans appreciate his 25 years of coaching UNH men’s hockey. However, many of us do not understand why UNH is waiting three years to make a leadership change. Umile had many great seasons as the head coach, yet it is time. UNH has not been regular season champions since 2010, have not won Hockey East or been in the Frozen Four since 2003 and have never won a national title.

Other universities, professional sports teams and private businesses respectfully replace leadership to bring in new energy and fresh ideas. It is disappointing that folks at UNH have placed their personal relationships before what is best for the program. To pay Umile $248,000 per year, $744,000 for the next three while they hope that things may get better, is not what is best for the school, program, team and fans. Umile had 25 years as head coach and we are thankful for his contributions. Let's do what is best moving forward and allow Mike Souza to take the reins this year, so he can coach and build his team.

Shawn Joyce

Rye

UNH alum and season ticket holder
 
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New Hampshire 'Cats Fan said:
Hi Chuck,
The letter is written out below...


LETTER TO THE EDITOR
It's time for Souza to be in charge of UNH hockey

March 12 — To the Editor:

This letter is in response to “Wildcats end season on dismal note - Finish with worst record in almost 30 years, Portsmouth Herald 3/11/16.”

Last summer, I wrote the following in response to “The Heir Apparent UNH Extends Umile, but Souza in line as successor, Portsmouth Herald 8/22/15.” I, like many season ticket holders, did not attend any games this year and from all the empty seats shown on televised games, it is obvious that support for the program is eroding. Fans can only hope that Umile and leadership folks at UNH athletics do the right thing.

Dick Umile is a great guy and the fans appreciate his 25 years of coaching UNH men’s hockey. However, many of us do not understand why UNH is waiting three years to make a leadership change. Umile had many great seasons as the head coach, yet it is time. UNH has not been regular season champions since 2010, have not won Hockey East or been in the Frozen Four since 2003 and have never won a national title.

Other universities, professional sports teams and private businesses respectfully replace leadership to bring in new energy and fresh ideas. It is disappointing that folks at UNH have placed their personal relationships before what is best for the program. To pay Umile $248,000 per year, $744,000 for the next three while they hope that things may get better, is not what is best for the school, program, team and fans. Umile had 25 years as head coach and we are thankful for his contributions. Let's do what is best moving forward and allow Mike Souza to take the reins this year, so he can coach and build his team.

Shawn Joyce

Rye

UNH alum and season ticket holder
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If Mr. Joyce is a long time season ticket holder, he knows that his wish will not be granted. Why people call out Umile to do the right thing and not his boss has always been puzzling to me. Marty canned Karen Kay, he canned the guy who coached hoops before the new guy (I'm so committed to hoops I can't remember any coach but Gerry Friel) and, of course, he canned Brian McCloskey. How come not now?
 
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Greg Ambrose said:
If Mr. Joyce is a long time season ticket holder, he knows that his wish will not be granted. Why people call out Umile to do the right thing and not his boss has always been puzzling to me. Marty canned Karen Kay, he canned the guy who coached hoops before the new guy (I'm so committed to hoops I can't remember any coach but Gerry Friel) and, of course, he canned Brian McCloskey. How come not now?
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Think the answer to your question just might have something to do with Mr. Joyce's comment regarding "personal relationships"...but, I could be wrong...OR it could be related to the story about a dog lying on a nail on a porch, moaning away. When asked about why the dog doesn't get off the nail to relieve his pain, the owner says "he will when it hurts bad enough". I mean, that's just a silly story....;) But isn't that how change usually / ultimately comes about?
 
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I was extremely hesitant, for a very long time, to even contemplate being critical of Marty Scarano. I think this was partly out of recognition that the UNH AD job is a thankless task given the lack of state funding and the limited athletic facilities. I also thought, and still think, that Scarano was a clear step up in talent compared to the Murderer’s Row of mediocrities that have filled that position over the years.

However, I think Scarano, like Umile, has fallen victim to the UNH/Durham vortex. UNH is an incredibly "clubby" place. The animating force in that world is “I’ve got my place, and my entire focus is on keeping it, including helping you keep your place because any disruptions in the force could get us all.” I know this is what happened to Scarano because he’s still here. At the outset, I gave him 5 years before he carpet bagged his way out of town to some bigger, better gig. His driving force seemed to be to do enough things to get himself noticed by Indiana, or Missouri, or even Penn St. so that he could climb the AD ladder.

That changed at some point along the line. It’s hard to think that UNH could offer enough to derail career plans like that but it does. Yes, it’s a small, isolated, and relatively unimportant place in the world of college athletics, but it is a great place to live, and to raise a family. The Seacoast area, Portsmouth, beaches, mountains, Boston all add up to trump the bigger budgets and exposure of some mid-level school in a major conference.

It also leads to backing off the drive to improve, succeed, get noticed. Competition, quality, achievement, measurement, innovation, accountability give way to maintenance and self-preservation. A lot of that is true of many universities and college towns but in my experience it’s particularly strong at UNH. One symptom of that is disproportionality of action. The mode seems to be do nothing, do nothing, do nothing, hope it goes away, do nothing, hope it improves, do nothing, EXPLODE and overreact – see the Men’s hockey team for the former and the Women’s hockey team for the latter.

Immediately relevant point in all this, Scarano isn’t moving a finger to upset Umile’s plans. It would be a disruption – bad for everyone in the club – and his own self-styled exit to retirement isn’t that far down the road itself. If, IF, anything happens there, it will come from higher up than the AD, and that’s not going to happen either. Enjoy the next 2 years.
 
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New Hampshire 'Cats Fan said:
Hi Chuck,
The letter is written out below...


LETTER TO THE EDITOR
It's time for Souza to be in charge of UNH hockey

March 12 — To the Editor:

This letter is in response to “Wildcats end season on dismal note - Finish with worst record in almost 30 years, Portsmouth Herald 3/11/16.”

Last summer, I wrote the following in response to “The Heir Apparent UNH Extends Umile, but Souza in line as successor, Portsmouth Herald 8/22/15.” I, like many season ticket holders, did not attend any games this year and from all the empty seats shown on televised games, it is obvious that support for the program is eroding. Fans can only hope that Umile and leadership folks at UNH athletics do the right thing.

Dick Umile is a great guy and the fans appreciate his 25 years of coaching UNH men’s hockey. However, many of us do not understand why UNH is waiting three years to make a leadership change. Umile had many great seasons as the head coach, yet it is time. UNH has not been regular season champions since 2010, have not won Hockey East or been in the Frozen Four since 2003 and have never won a national title.

Other universities, professional sports teams and private businesses respectfully replace leadership to bring in new energy and fresh ideas. It is disappointing that folks at UNH have placed their personal relationships before what is best for the program. To pay Umile $248,000 per year, $744,000 for the next three while they hope that things may get better, is not what is best for the school, program, team and fans. Umile had 25 years as head coach and we are thankful for his contributions. Let's do what is best moving forward and allow Mike Souza to take the reins this year, so he can coach and build his team.

Shawn Joyce

Rye

UNH alum and season ticket holder
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"To pay Umile $248,000 per year... while they hope that things may get better"

What is the alternative? To "pay Souza $________ per year... while they hope that things may get better".

Oh.
 
Nick Papagiorgio said:
"To pay Umile $248,000 per year... while they hope that things may get better"

What is the alternative? To "pay Souza $________ per year... while they hope that things may get better".

Oh.
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Yes, paying Souza X and hoping it gets better is preferable to paying Umile 248,000 for two more years and hoping it gets better and THEN paying Souza X for at least four additional years and hoping things get better...

That said Umile isn't going anywhere early, he's more likely to change his mind and stay longer...
 
Mike McMahon tweeted the following just now

According to several sources, UMass is interested in talking to "at least one current Hockey East head coach" regarding its HC opening.
One source suggested a conversation, at least a preliminary one, has already taken place.
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Any wishful thinking that Umile has gone back to his 2000 playbook and thinks he can show UNH by leaving for UMass? UMass gets credibility that it has lacked, and 3-5 years of stability.

I thought another rumor had UNass interviewing a coach after the bottom playoffs, which would have precluded Dennehy. Maybe Cavanaugh?
 
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NCAA watcher said:
Any wishful thinking that Umile has gone back to his 2000 playbook and thinks he can show UNH by leaving for UMass? UMass gets credibility that it has lacked, and 3-5 years of stability.
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Thought (hoped/prayed for?) the same thing, and posted a few times on their thread to that effect. But it would cut against your whole "he's staying here to get to 600" theory, wouldn't it?

NCAA watcher said:
I thought another rumor had UNass interviewing a coach after the bottom playoffs, which would have precluded Dennehy. Maybe Cavanaugh?
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please oh please oh pretty please dear God in heaven, let this be true please please please
 
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New Hampshire 'Cats Fan said:
Hi Chuck,
The letter is written out below...

LETTER TO THE EDITOR
It's time for Souza to be in charge of UNH hockey

March 12 — To the Editor:

This letter is in response to “Wildcats end season on dismal note - Finish with worst record in almost 30 years, Portsmouth Herald 3/11/16.”

Last summer, I wrote the following in response to “The Heir Apparent UNH Extends Umile, but Souza in line as successor, Portsmouth Herald 8/22/15.” I, like many season ticket holders, did not attend any games this year and from all the empty seats shown on televised games, it is obvious that support for the program is eroding. Fans can only hope that Umile and leadership folks at UNH athletics do the right thing.

Dick Umile is a great guy and the fans appreciate his 25 years of coaching UNH men’s hockey. However, many of us do not understand why UNH is waiting three years to make a leadership change. Umile had many great seasons as the head coach, yet it is time. UNH has not been regular season champions since 2010, have not won Hockey East or been in the Frozen Four since 2003 and have never won a national title.

Other universities, professional sports teams and private businesses respectfully replace leadership to bring in new energy and fresh ideas. It is disappointing that folks at UNH have placed their personal relationships before what is best for the program. To pay Umile $248,000 per year, $744,000 for the next three while they hope that things may get better, is not what is best for the school, program, team and fans. Umile had 25 years as head coach and we are thankful for his contributions. Let's do what is best moving forward and allow Mike Souza to take the reins this year, so he can coach and build his team.

Shawn Joyce

Rye

UNH alum and season ticket holder
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Thanks Matt!! :)
 
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E.J. Smith said:
I was extremely hesitant, for a very long time, to even contemplate being critical of Marty Scarano. I think this was partly out of recognition that the UNH AD job is a thankless task given the lack of state funding and the limited athletic facilities. I also thought, and still think, that Scarano was a clear step up in talent compared to the Murderer’s Row of mediocrities that have filled that position over the years.

However, I think Scarano, like Umile, has fallen victim to the UNH/Durham vortex. UNH is an incredibly "clubby" place. The animating force in that world is “I’ve got my place, and my entire focus is on keeping it, including helping you keep your place because any disruptions in the force could get us all.” I know this is what happened to Scarano because he’s still here. At the outset, I gave him 5 years before he carpet bagged his way out of town to some bigger, better gig. His driving force seemed to be to do enough things to get himself noticed by Indiana, or Missouri, or even Penn St. so that he could climb the AD ladder.

That changed at some point along the line. It’s hard to think that UNH could offer enough to derail career plans like that but it does. Yes, it’s a small, isolated, and relatively unimportant place in the world of college athletics, but it is a great place to live, and to raise a family. The Seacoast area, Portsmouth, beaches, mountains, Boston all add up to trump the bigger budgets and exposure of some mid-level school in a major conference.

It also leads to backing off the drive to improve, succeed, get noticed. Competition, quality, achievement, measurement, innovation, accountability give way to maintenance and self-preservation. A lot of that is true of many universities and college towns but in my experience it’s particularly strong at UNH. One symptom of that is disproportionality of action. The mode seems to be do nothing, do nothing, do nothing, hope it goes away, do nothing, hope it improves, do nothing, EXPLODE and overreact – see the Men’s hockey team for the former and the Women’s hockey team for the latter.

Immediately relevant point in all this, Scarano isn’t moving a finger to upset Umile’s plans. It would be a disruption – bad for everyone in the club – and his own self-styled exit to retirement isn’t that far down the road itself. If, IF, anything happens there, it will come from higher up than the AD, and that’s not going to happen either. Enjoy the next 2 years.
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A new leader in the clubhouse for 2016 UNH Post of the Year. Brilliant, and unerringly accurate too.

I've used the term "complacency" before, but self-preservation may cut closer to the truth here ...
 
Chuck Murray said:
Thought (hoped/prayed for?) the same thing, and posted a few times on their thread to that effect. But it would cut against your whole "he's staying here to get to 600" theory, wouldn't it?
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Why? Four years at zoo mass would get him above that by a good margin. Compare that to two years at UNH.
 
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