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UNH Wildcats 2015-2016 (Part One) - Return of the "Champions of December"??

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Holy you know what Boyd scores from center position and Nazarian gets his first!!! 2-0 Cattttsss

Can you believe it? Good call by DU to the dismay of his naysayers!
 
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Foegele leaves the team, Eiserman & Marks are benched, McNicholas stays in the seats (when he's CLEARLY far more talented than at least six of the players skating at forward tonight). Dick has lost his mind, or something has to be up...

Just to add some additional fuel to the fire re: the ongoing discussion of Umile's penchant for giving his seniors the extended benefit of the doubt as they skate their final season, consider these comments from Cornell coach Mike Schafer in 'The Ithaca Journal' on the eve of his team's Saturday night NC season opener vs. in-state rival Niagara:

"Schafer reminded the gathering during his Tuesday press conference that his lineup will constantly be a product of "What have you done for us lately?" The best 12 forwards, the best six defensemen, the best goaltender will play," he said. "Whether it's freshmen or seniors or juniors, that's the promise we make in recruiting. Every week, we'll look at things ... and then we'll re-evaluate on Friday night, and the best forwards, defensemen and goalies will play on Saturday night. "It's not youth hockey, it's not junior hockey anymore," he said. "In school, the best student gets the highest grade, and we grade our guys all week long. We'll put the best team on the ice for Cornell University every time we can."

What a concept! I've never been a big Schafer fan, but I gotta admit there's a lot to like here ... Two successful, long-time head coaches manning the bench of their alma maters, yet each has apparently adopted quite different philosophies of what it takes to be 'successful' ... FWIW, Umile has had the Big Red's number of late, beating Cornell in their last meeting at Lynah 7-4 (Dec. 2010, a smack-down I gleefully watched in person), 'tho the tables were turned at the Florida College Classic in 2013, a 4-2 Big Red victory in Estero ... Neither team has been to the FF since they opposed one another in Buffalo in 2003 (another 'Cat victory, thanks to Michael Ayers' diving save off his mask in the waning seconds), so perhaps it's safe to say *neither* coach is in the driver's seat on the road to the Frozen Four ...

You can read the entire article here:
 
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3 wins have come against teams with a combined 5-12-5 record, skewed by AIC being 0-8, but still....

3 games where we lost or tied were vs. teams with a combined 14-4-1 mark.

Just an observation.
 
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Love it!! UNH Hockey takes down another undefeated team!

"“They’re a very gifted team,” Dennehy said. “It’s like a child going to a flame. You can tell that child that if you’re not strong on pucks, and if you turn pucks over against UNH it’s going to end up in the back of your net. Most times the child needs to touch the fire to know it’s going to burn them, and that’s what happened tonight.”

UNH’s top line of Correale (7 points in 6 games), Poturalski (12 points in 6 games) and Tyler Kelleher (12 points in 6 games) have been one of the most potent lines in the nation

“All three of us work hard together and love playing with each other, so things are clicking right now,” Poturalski said."
 
3 wins have come against teams with a combined 5-12-5 record, skewed by AIC being 0-8, but still....

3 games where we lost or tied were vs. teams with a combined 14-4-1 mark.

Just an observation.

And, now we are 17th in PWR, one slot behind NICC, for what it is worth.

DU needs to continue playing Clark in net and his best scorers on first unit of PP.
 
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No Marks (5 GP, +3, 4 A's) either...

Foegele leaves the team, Eiserman & Marks are benched, McNicholas stays in the seats (when he is CLEARLY far more talented than at least six of the players skating at forward tonight). Dick has lost his mind, or something has to be up...

There were grumblings near us about player suspensions...but cannot verify....
 
3 wins have come against teams with a combined 5-12-5 record, skewed by AIC being 0-8, but still....

3 games where we lost or tied were vs. teams with a combined 14-4-1 mark.

Just an observation.

And we lost by one goal in both losses. UNH hasn't lost in 3 games..last year at this time we were 1-4? Despite some trouble tonight getting past this trap MC set we looked hungry. Clarky had some decent saves down the stretch and boy did he advocate for that GK interference call. A good night overall. And that second line oh my...
 
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There were grumblings near us about player suspensions...but cannot verify....

Has to be the case, as its the only way tonight's line-up makes any sense. Good to see them get through it with a win and hopefully, its nothing too serious. Clark was good again tonight. Maybe Poturalski and Kelleher CAN average 2 PPG over the course of the season - man are they great together. Most talented and dynamic pair of forwards UNH has had in a long time...

Need to sweep at Michigan State. I saw them here in Denver a couple of weeks ago and they are bad - very weak offensively - but they do control the transition game well, limit quality chances and Hilldebrand is an absolute stud between the pipes.
 
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3 wins have come against teams with a combined 5-12-5 record, skewed by AIC being 0-8, but still....

3 games where we lost or tied were vs. teams with a combined 14-4-1 mark.

Just an observation.

Two of the games we won were against previously undefeated ranked teams to be fair. Not bad!
 
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There were grumblings near us about player suspensions...but cannot verify....

Agree with Dan, that's the only way last night's line-up makes sense in UmileWorld. :)

Two solid road wins in a row against previously undefeated teams, back over .500 and 3 out of 4 HE points. Could just as easily be 4-1-1, and further up the PWR. Defense seems to be rounding into shape, and Clark is producing while Tirone decompresses after his slow start. Kudos to the coaches and players alike. On to MSU!!
 
Can you believe it? Good call by DU to the dismay of his naysayers!

Ya! Watching that goal go down made my short - tenure-as-a-fan night! ''Cats came out literally flying last night no slow start for us! Looking at the stats this morning it's obvious Mack had more puck possession and yes UNH lost the SOG but we scored when we had to and it gave us the needed confidence. Actually looking into going next weekend but then I came to my senses. (The few I have left)

Were you there last night e.cat?
 
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Anyone know what section the UNH allotment is in for the games at MSU?
 
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All very depressing. I think that Warren Foegele (34 g, 5 G+11 A = 16 pts) and Shane Eiserman (35 g, 4 G + 11 A = 15 pts) did well last season, scoring more points as freshmen than the three seniors on this year's first line have scored collectively in three seasons, and deserved to be the guts of the second line and second PP unit this season. Umile gave them ice time as freshman; I simply do not understand the flip flop this season. :mad:

To my eyes, neither one has stood out this year. Frankly, I expected more from both of them, being NHL draft picks and all.
 
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To my eyes, neither one has stood out this year. Frankly, I expected more from both of them, being NHL draft picks and all.
Beginning of last season, focused on and excited about watching Eiserman and Foegele and whoa... Wait, what? Potur-who?
 
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And, now we are 17th in PWR, one slot behind NICC, for what it is worth.

DU needs to continue playing Clark in net and his best scorers on first unit of PP.

Whoaa! Late scores bump up UNH to 16th in PWR, between BC and Rob Mo, as NICC drops to 18th.
 
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And beating the dead horse some more, asking kids to "buy-in" to what might happen in 3 years is ludicrous.

Then why opt for college in the first place? The dynamics of college vs. juniors, as we all know, is radically different. In juniors, the only goal for the player is to get ready for the pros. You play a lengthy season (over 100 games with playoffs), there's a lot of travel, guys are traded, there's a lot more rough stuff, there's fighting and education is a wink, wink and a nod. And, if you are any good, you leave after a couple of years. College entails a lot more practice time, fewer games, no fighting, less travel, no trades and, you gotta go to class. And, when you come in, there are kids ahead of you, much older, more physically developed, more attuned to the system of play. Watcher, if buying into the obligation of three years is too much to take for some, no matter who the coach is, then go to juniors. The increasing number of college players in the NHL (around a third now, I believe) indicates to me that the obligations that playing college hockey put on a player are not that onerous. Being a college hockey player for three or four years is not a bad gig. Free education, free meals, less intense schedule, ability to home your skills, etc., etc.

And I will ask this. Is it better that players understand that, not only is Umile leaving but that UNH has a coach in waiting, than to have a situation where no announcement is made about Umile's intentions in one, two, three years but the rumor mill is hot that he will be leaving? You don't think other schools don't recruit fear, that if you are thinking of UNH, the guy you're hitching your wagon to might not be there by your junior year? Whether the guy UNH has selected to take the reins is the right one only time will tell. But UNH was in a difficult spot. Umile is revered at UNH, and when he signed his coach-for-life contract in 2000 we all knew it could put UNH in a bind down the road. I guess you could say that Marty is putting the individual (Umile) above the good of the program (UNH Hockey) but, quite honestly, I think they made the best of the situation. Of course, the other thing to consider is that no high level D1 coach is banging down the door to take over the program like Lucia when he took over at Minny. It might have been that way ten years ago, but too any ill advised moves since then made that impossible now.
 
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sonar has answered the OHL thing, so I'll move on to discuss the rest of the post above.



You see, I don't want UNH to simply be a "stopping over point". Realistically, I understand that's how it works with a certain level of player, and in most cases, a four year commitment does not mark the end of the road for most D-1 players. There are a huge number of minor league and lesser foreign league opportunities out there for the players who don't have (realistic) NHL prospects. And for the players who don't have those realistic NHL "dreams", then the D-1 college experience is likely going to be the apex of their competitive careers. Yes, players will get paid at their next stops. But player turnover in the minors is heavy, and players rarely stick around in a town or a program for more than a year or two at a stretch. D-1 (and in our case, UNH) offers players an opportunity to "stick" and to call a place or a school "home" for an extended period of time. It should not be confused with the mercenary nature of minor leagues, where you can get promoted, demoted, traded, sold, cut and/or waived, etc.

Foegele is a draft pick, sure, but he's a low level choice, and if he just views himself as 'Canes' chattel, then good for him. He's the one who chose to come to UNH, and he knows there was/is a four year opportunity there. If he (or anyone else) views D-1 as nothing more than the next step to "the show", then he probably was ill-advised to come here in the first place, and should have been a Major Junior player LAST season. But the idea that it took the first month of the UNH season for "light to dawn on Marblehead" gives it away that this is a reaction to not having been given a more prominent role in the UNH set-up so far this season. God forbid if he knuckled down and worked harder to earn that more prominent role. Poturalski doesn't seem to have been held back, and he's a sophomore too ... so you can only take the "Coach plays favorites" thing so far. The only other realistic explanation is that WF couldn't (or just didn't want to) handle the bothersome school-related part of his scholarship.

I'm not saying this viewpoint is right, wrong or indifferent. Over the years, more and more players have come through D-1 (and UNH) to play in the NHL, so things have changed, and D-1 is viewed as a more viable developmental option by the NHL than it used to be. But let's not confuse things ... from the standpoint of UNH and its fans, this is still a college hockey program, and not someone else's minor league affiliate. And if you come here, put in the effort, and earn your keep, then most folks on here will wish you well in your post-grad (or at least post-eligibility) pro career. If you act and treat the program like it's nothing more than a stepping stone to your (probable) sub-NHL career, and leave the first time things aren't going your way ... don't let the door hit you in the rear on the way out.

I've now convinced myself the blame pie rests at 90% on the quitter, and 10% on the stubborn guy in the turtleneck. :o

Good post Chuck.
 
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Warren Foegele is a hard-working, committed teammate. The important decision to leave a college hockey program always involves on-ice and off-ice factors. Claiming that he left because he was upset over limited power play minutes or playing on the 3rd line with Vela-Eiserman and on the 4th line with Nazarian/Miller misses the mark.

No offense,, but if he was a "committed teammate", why did he leave? And in mid-season.
 
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Chuck, never forget that once these kids, particularly from Ontario, opt for college, the Major Juniors don't give up. I guarantee you that all summer all he heard is what a mistake he had made, not only playing college hockey but playing it for an also ran like UNH. I am sure that up in Toronto the only college teams that count are North Dakota, Michigan, and BC. So Foegele blocks out the noise, rationalizes that he had a decent freshman year and, with his potential, will play more minutes this year and in more significant roles. Instead, he sits there watching guys who couldn't even get ice time last year taking on roles that he knows he can play just because they are seniors. Like you, I have mixed feelings about the thought process the likes of Foegele go through, first, when the choose college over juniors and, second, when they decide to leave. At this point he has a very narrow needle to thread. In juniors he basically has this year and maybe next to turn peoples heads. The fact that he hasn't been a world beater as of yet makes his decision very problematic. Mind you this leaving school happens all over college hockey. BC lost a kid this past week as well.
Brown, too. http://www.uscho.com/2015/10/31/bro...y-leaves-school-before-2015-16-season-starts/
 
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