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UNH Wildcats 2014 Post-Season Thread: "Maybe Dick" Hunts the Great White Whale

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My guess is that Camper and Gaudreault will be lucky to get a little ice time on the fourth line this coming season. The incoming class looks awesome compared to those of the past two years.

Camper and Gaudreault will play plenty. Coach Umile almost never ditches his upperclassmen in favor of newbies, unless they give him a good reason to do so. As good as the new guys may be, they will have to earn their keep. And that's a good thing. Incoming classes always look "awesome" on paper. I'm excited too ... but once upon a time there was this kid named Travis Banga (or Eddie Caron or ... ) :(
 
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Chuck- I don't often agree with you but this time you are spot on. Pesce is still a very young kid. He will only be a 19 year old Junior this fall. Carolina would be best suited letting him get tons of minutes and get a degree. Ideally he would be a 21 yr old rookie in the AHL/ NHL after he graduates and fills out. The same age that other CHL drafted players would be when they finish their Canadien Junior careers and enter pro. Perfect scenario for both parties. His game jumped after TVR went down for 2 reasons: 1. he got more valuable ice time in TVR's spot- 1st PP, 1st PK, starting and ending periods etc. That allowed for better opportunity. 2. He also went from being the top dog on his pairing ( his partner was usually one of the Frosh D ) to being the younger with a Senior/ Experienced partner- his old partner from freshman year. He was able to freelance a little more and have fewer worries when entertaining risks. People underestimate the pressures of running a D pair- being the senior partner of the pair. You have to worry and cover for both of you when out there. Look at Tyler Myers from Buffalo Sabres. Rookie of the year and then in subsequent seasons the roof caved in on him. His responsibilities changed dramatically and it seemed to affect his game. Torey Krug is another example. He jumped into the B's lineup and was all over the ice doing great things- knowing that he had an experienced partner covering for him. His game would have to change if he was paired with a young rookie. He wouldn't be able to improvise as he has been so far. Hopefully it won't affect his play, but with Brett being the #1 Def next yr he will have many more players to be worrying about, and it will change his dynamic until he is comfortable that his partner can carry their weight.
As for the Langway award- the most important aspect of the Head Coach @ a public Univ like UNH is FUND RAISING. Without the cash- there is no program. Keep the whales happy and the rest of the fish in the sea can swim at ease. Whales come in different shapes, sizes and age brackets. Read into that statement as you like.
There is no doubt in my mind that Coach Umile has no worries about an early exit to his tenure there. He still dictates his terms. His ability to keep the $ coming in allows the AD to focus on other fund raising projects and their viability.
 
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Of course, anything is possible. But yes, I do believe UNH will be this year's version of last year's BU team. Maybe a shade better due to the coaching continuity.

With Willows, you could see those skills in flashes, as you could with Stevie Moses a few years ago, or even Bobby Butler early in his UNH career, when he was still pretty much a nobody. But I just don't see that development with Correale, Gaudreault, Camper or even Thrush. Maybe Thrush will have an Austin Block-like senior year? Maybe Kelleher will become the next Willows (more likely)?

Put me in the same camp as 'Watcher in thinking UNH has done OK with mid-level talent, but at some point it's going to drop (again) at least until the incoming players begin to acclimate at this level. I don't see that happening until the 2015/2016 season, when they will be joined by BvR and others. Hopefully Pesce sticks around to captain that team. IF we are VERY lucky, UNH will make a push late in the 2014/2015 season and get the young'uns some valuable post-season experience.

Hoping I am 100% wrong, but this is unfortunately what I see in the short-term future for UNH. I'll be happy to hazard a guess on the long-term future once I actually see the new guys playing against D-1 competition. Let's revisit at the holiday break this December. :)

Chuck, UNH has never finished lower than 6th in the Umile era. They did that the first year of the Whit when they inexplicably finished with 12 wins despite having the likes of Mowers, Boguniecki, Krog et al on the team. They also finished 6th two years ago in the Moses, Borisenock, McCarey class of seniors. So the question is whether you think that the talent on the team next year is equal or less than 2012 or 1996 or somewhere in between. If it is somewhere in between, I think they'll be okay. Not national championship calibre but okay. Despite all the slings and arrows Umile absorbs on this forum (actually I don't think he absorbs them at all because he never, ever reads them unless someone prints it for him) he has done a pretty decent job over the years of coaching up what he has in front of him.
 
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Chuck, UNH has never finished lower than 6th in the Umile era. They did that the first year of the Whit when they inexplicably finished with 12 wins despite having the likes of Mowers, Boguniecki, Krog et al on the team. They also finished 6th two years ago in the Moses, Borisenock, McCarey class of seniors. So the question is whether you think that the talent on the team next year is equal or less than 2012 or 1996 or somewhere in between. If it is somewhere in between, I think they'll be okay. Not national championship calibre but okay. Despite all the slings and arrows Umile absorbs on this forum (actually I don't think he absorbs them at all because he never, ever reads them unless someone prints it for him) he has done a pretty decent job over the years of coaching up what he has in front of him.

Understood, Greg. To answer your primary question ... no, I don't think next year's team has anything close to the talent of the '96 team (a rare fluke down year), and at least in terms of returning talent, I don't quite see them at the level of the '12 team either. I'm optimistic with what I read and hear about the incoming class ... but until I see that out on the ice, I'm not going to get carried away.

This is NOT a dig at Coach Umile, and overall I don't disagree with your assessment that he has done a pretty decent job of coaching up sub-prime talent over the course of his time at UNH. But these are the realities he (and we) will be facing for next season:

* Returning forwards will likely be pretty thin with scoring depth. Once you get past Downing, Willows, and Kelleher (assuming the latter does make a big jump forward next season - not a given, though), you are left with two groups of players. One, the serviceable third/fourth line types like Thrush/Camper/Correale/Smith/Gaudreault/MacDonald/Bourque/Hill. Will one of those older guys have an Austin Block-like breakout year, or will one of those younger guys become the next Willows? I sure hope so, but based on the body of evidence I've seen from those guys in the past, I wouldn't bet the house on it. And you are going to need that.

* Incoming forwards ... overreliance on that group will almost be necessary as the season plays out. It's interesting that you mention the '96 team, which included frosh studs Krog and Bekar, while Mowers was a soph (Nickulas as well IIRC?) and Bogey was a junior. If the "next Krog" or "next Bekar" is among the incoming group of frosh, then that's great, but as seen by the '96 example, that's likely not going to be enough to avoid a losing season. And the '96 team (including Tom Nolan) was MUCH deeper with returning forward talent.

* Defensemen - Brett Pesce is THE MAN this season (assuming he returns, which I think he will). thegeese makes some valid points on the extra burdens he will be shouldering this coming season. Maller and Cleland, I expect will be solid if unspectacular. That leaves you with three openings, and I'm pretty sure Coach Umile will give Harry Quast a legitimate shot at one of those slots. He may be a junior eligibility-wise, but experience-wise he is probably barely a soph, having played less than Maller and Cleland. As challenging as things will be up front ... I think the really hard work is going to need to be done by Coach Tortorella with the defense. I hope he pulls it off.

* Goalies - Casey DeSmith. Good but not great. And he will be called upon to overperform to support the lack of experience in front of him. Regan seems to be an afterthought, with much of the focus of discussion seeming to be on the incoming frosh goalie. Maybe the frosh 'keeper will see more time than expected - especially if the season starts to go south early? He'd better be good 'cuz what's out there in front of him will be early on their learning curves as well.

I'm not trying to be a downer on next season's outlook. I just want to be realistic. And I think 7th place and a losing record is going to be our reality next season. God forbid one of Downing/Willows/Pesce/DeSmith gets injured and misses extended time ... :( ... JMHO.
 
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Read this on the BC board and looked it up to clarify but it appears HE could be doing a 3 game first round playoff rather than the 'one and done' game of this season. Guess there are D1 meetings happening down in Florida.

Mike McMahon ‏@MikeMcMahonCHN · 5h
Two sources say Hockey East has finalized its 12-team playoff. All 12 teams will qualify. First round will be best-of-3, just like QF round.

And this:
Mike McMahon ‏@MikeMcMahonCHN · 5h
To clarify, teams 1-4 will get first-round byes. 5-8 host 9-12 in first-round series which will be best-of-3.

Just some news to poke around and discuss since we are most likely going to be in this mix in some way, shape or form!
 
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I think that this idea is a money grab, pure and simple. Just skip the first round and leave out #9-12. Make the regular season something that matters.

Good to get this thread moving again.
 
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I think that this idea is a money grab, pure and simple. Just skip the first round and leave out #9-12. Make the regular season something that matters.

Good to get this thread moving again.

Also mentioned in his twitter feed that the coaches voted unanimously for this format...personally I agree with you even tho I'm new to this party. Am curious, do other divisions allow everyone in? Or is HE smaller than most so this is why they do this? Not up on the rationale for why this became the way it was last year; thought it was purely due to the incoming new team (Chuck's fav, ND :p ). Apparently this is the ECAC model..or so I read.
 
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I believe that all the conferences allow everyone into the post-season; ka ching, ka ching.
 
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At 10 teams HEA was the only(?) conference eliminating teams from post season play. At 11/12 teams the coaches favored 2 of 3, the ADs favored single game elimination. The coaches reasoning was to not have a good team's season end prematurely on a freak single game with the lower seed winning. I suspect everyone felt that eliminating 4 was too many teams to maintain the 8 team format.
 
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I think that this idea is a money grab, pure and simple. Just skip the first round and leave out #9-12. Make the regular season something that matters.

Totally agree (I'm apparently in an agreeable mood this morning). Leave the last 4 RS finishers out.

Always liked the HE postseason being a two week process. Three is a week too long.

IF they insist on including #9 thru #12, make them do the one-game play-in vs. #5 thru #8 midweek (Tuesday?) between the final RS weekend (play those games on Friday/Saturday) and the HE QF round (Friday/Saturday/Sunday if necessary).

You gotta make the regular season count for something, other than seeding and PWR etc. JMHO.

OR we just exclude conference newbies for their first 5 or so years in the league. You know who you are. :D :D
 
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Re: UNH Wildcats 2014 Post-Season Thread: "Maybe Dick" Hunts the Great White Whale

I think that this idea is a money grab, pure and simple. Just skip the first round and leave out #9-12. Make the regular season something that matters.

Good to get this thread moving again.

Can't be much of a money grab since first round action among teams 5-12 won't exactly draw the hordes out. It has to be more of the coaches not liking one and done at such an early stage. No one likes their season to end abruptly in the second weekend of March.
 
Can't be much of a money grab since first round action among teams 5-12 won't exactly draw the hordes out. It has to be more of the coaches not liking one and done at such an early stage. No one likes their season to end abruptly in the second weekend of March.

But, all post-season games are additional revenue, as season tickets do not cover, right? But, you make a good point, Greg. Ski areas in the North Country close in the spring not for lack of snow, but rather for lack of non-season ticket skiers.
 
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But, all post-season games are additional revenue, as season tickets do not cover, right? But, you make a good point, Greg. Ski areas in the North Country close in the spring not for lack of snow, but rather for lack of non-season ticket skiers.

Every March people discuss the downturn in attendance for the quarterfinal rounds, and now the preliminary ones as well. It cost money to open the arenas and don't forget that the league controls the operations in the post-season, not the individual schools. I would imagine that schools are allowed to pay off the costs of opening but the take I have been getting the past few years is that any additional revenue goes to the league. A few years ago the Friends stopped selling 50/50 tickets during the playoff games after being told that the revenue would go to the league and not to the Friends.
 
Every March people discuss the downturn in attendance for the quarterfinal rounds, and now the preliminary ones as well. It cost money to open the arenas and don't forget that the league controls the operations in the post-season, not the individual schools. I would imagine that schools are allowed to pay off the costs of opening but the take I have been getting the past few years is that any additional revenue goes to the league. A few years ago the Friends stopped selling 50/50 tickets during the playoff games after being told that the revenue would go to the league and not to the Friends.

I remember you writing about this issue on earlier threads, too. So, what does the league do with these post-season revenues? Subsidize the cost of tickets at the Garden? Pay their commish? Travel on junkets?
 
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I remember you writing about this issue on earlier threads, too. So, what does the league do with these post-season revenues? Subsidize the cost of tickets at the Garden? Pay their commish? Travel on junkets?

I have no idea. And I don't know how long the money grab by Hockey East has been going on. But it's only been about 4-5 years since the Friends stopped selling 50/50 during playoff games. We were told at the time that the playoffs were league sponsored and any income produced during the games would go to the league and not the school or booster groups. I would imagine that ticket sales up to a certain point and concessions were exempt from this but everything else was to go to Hockey East. What they do with the money, I guess you'd have to ask Joe B.
 
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Can't be much of a money grab since first round action among teams 5-12 won't exactly draw the hordes out. It has to be more of the coaches not liking one and done at such an early stage. No one likes their season to end abruptly in the second weekend of March.

A money grab is a money grab - whether it's the schools OR (more likely in this case) the league who is the grabber. This year, there were three (3) preliminary round games for the league to benefit from. Next year, there would be a minimum of 8 preliminary round games, and possibly as many as 12. No matter how you cut it, that's likely at least doubling the league prelim round revenue, and quite possibly trebling it.

I'm not buying the "sudden shock to the coaches' systems" argument. Does it really matter if the coaches go out in one game, or two-three games? They are the lower seeds, they are lucky to even be in it, and if you're the better team, then just go win the game. I'm guessing most of the coaches can handle that. If not, they're in the wrong profession. What's next - participation medals?? :rolleyes:

So, what does the league do with these post-season revenues? Subsidize the cost of tickets at the Garden?

Hahahahahahahahaha ... good one. :D

Pay their commish? Travel on junkets?

Getting warmer with those guesses, pardner. :cool:

My semi-wise ***** thought is this would be a *great* idea to make up for the revenue shortfall the league office sustained this March when ca$h cow$ Bo$ton College and Bo$ton Univer$ity didn't make it to the TD Garden, to be replaced by microscopic turnouts from Providence and Northern Indiana State University. Although I will admit some of those "subway alum" types wearing blue and gold looked mighty familiar to the blowhard "subway alums" who are usually seen wearing maroon and gold. :eek: :mad: ;)
 
My semi-wise ***** thought is this would be a *great* idea to make up for the revenue shortfall the league office sustained this March when ca$h cow$ Bo$ton College and Bo$ton Univer$ity didn't make it to the TD Garden, to be replaced by microscopic turnouts from Providence and Northern Indiana State University. Although I will admit some of those "subway alum" types wearing blue and gold looked mighty familiar to the blowhard "subway alums" who are usually seen wearing maroon and gold. :eek: :mad: ;)

So, the costs of our Garden tickets were subsidized this year then? And fewer pale blue jerseys from Downeast there lately, also.
 
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Re: UNH Wildcats 2014 Post-Season Thread: "Maybe Dick" Hunts the Great White Whale

Maybe UNH can "go to school" and learn from Minn. plans to reduce the size of their ice sheet?
 
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