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UNH Wildcats 2014 Post-Season Thread: "Maybe Dick" Hunts the Great White Whale

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Doubt he'll be doing anything until his ankle is healed. ;););)

Likely the AHL route. I don't know anything about the immediate D-man needs for the Blackhawks, but it would be a bit unusual to see a healthy TVR suit up for an NHL game this season unless someone goes down to an injury. Next season....who knows??

Here is depth chart for Blackhawks D-men this season:

name, games played, goals+assists=points, +/-

Duncan Keith, 71, 5+50=55, +23
Brent Seabrook, 72, 6+32=38, +30
Niklas Hjalmarsson, 72, 4+22=26, +15
Nick Leddy, 72, 7+22=29, +15
Johnny Oduya, 70, 3+12=15, +9
Sheldon Burbank, 39, 1+4=5, +2
Michal Rozsvial, 38, 1+6=7, +4
David Rundblad, 14, 0+1=1, -2

So, lot of depth there, although I do not know who might be a free agent, etc.
 
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Here is depth chart for Blackhawks D-men this season:

name, games played, goals+assists=points, +/-

Duncan Keith, 71, 5+50=55, +23
Brent Seabrook, 72, 6+32=38, +30
Niklas Hjalmarsson, 72, 4+22=26, +15
Nick Leddy, 72, 7+22=29, +15
Johnny Oduya, 70, 3+12=15, +9
Sheldon Burbank, 39, 1+4=5, +2
Michal Rozsvial, 38, 1+6=7, +4
David Rundblad, 14, 0+1=1, -2

So, lot of depth there, although I do not know who might be a free agent, etc.

Only Sheldon Brookbank (not Burbank) is a UFA after this year. Then after next year there are a couple UFA's (Oduya & Rozsival) and a couple RFA's (Leddy & Rundblad). So maybe they'll just see how TVR develops in the AHL next year and go from there. Just my guess.
 
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You guys can't seriously be rooting for UML to win the dance. If you don't have a bitter taste in your mouth from the Riverhawks then eat a lemon or something :D Seriously though our past two season have ended with losses to UML and being a UNH fan I can't find myself rooting for them to win the NC. I get it we want a HE team to win it and they beat us so if they win it all we look like a "better" team. Im not buying it though. I want this team to get bounced quickly because our past two seasons have ended sooner then planned because of Lowell. Sure we "weren't supposed" to make it to the Garden let alone beat PC; never mind even touch UML for the HE championship. You drop the puck for a reason though because we could have beat Lowell as was proven back in the fall when we danced with them in an OT loss. As a Wildcat fan I don't have any favor for the Riverhawks right now and hope they don't make it to the FF again plain and simple
 
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You guys can't seriously be rooting for UML to win the dance. If you don't have a bitter taste in your mouth from the Riverhawks then eat a lemon or something :D Seriously though our past two season have ended with losses to UML and being a UNH fan I can't find myself rooting for them to win the NC. I get it we want a HE team to win it and they beat us so if they win it all we look like a "better" team. Im not buying it though. I want this team to get bounced quickly because our past two seasons have ended sooner then planned because of Lowell. Sure we "weren't supposed" to make it to the Garden let alone beat PC; never mind even touch UML for the HE championship. You drop the puck for a reason though because we could have beat Lowell as was proven back in the fall when we danced with them in an OT loss. As a Wildcat fan I don't have any favor for the Riverhawks right now and hope they don't make it to the FF again plain and simple


Yup. Same here
 
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Here is depth chart for Blackhawks D-men this season:

name, games played, goals+assists=points, +/-

Duncan Keith, 71, 5+50=55, +23
Brent Seabrook, 72, 6+32=38, +30
Niklas Hjalmarsson, 72, 4+22=26, +15
Nick Leddy, 72, 7+22=29, +15
Johnny Oduya, 70, 3+12=15, +9
Sheldon Burbank, 39, 1+4=5, +2
Michal Rozsvial, 38, 1+6=7, +4
David Rundblad, 14, 0+1=1, -2

So, lot of depth there, although I do not know who might be a free agent, etc.

Looks like TvR can plan on spending lots of quality time in a Rockford Icehogs uniform next season.

On the issue of "rooting" for other HE programs in the D-1 tourney ... let's put it this way. There is ROOTING for a team, which is what we all do for our selected favorite team. After that, there are different levels of more "casual rooting". Let's take for example a UMass Amherst fan who REALLY likes their college hockey. Small sample size, for sure. ;) Anyway, your team makes it to the TD Garden about once a decade, and makes it to the D-1 tourney, what ... once a generation, if that?? On top of that, you have a lot of "down time" from the end of the HE regular season (and let's face it, this year the "play-in" games were extensions of the RS) since your program makes the QF round of the HE tourney about 50% of the time historically (maybe an exaggeration, but not by that much ;) ). So you have a lot of "down time" and you love your college hockey, so you look around at ways to keep engaged through to the end of the D-1 tourney.

Call it a "second team" ... a "tourney team" ... heck, in many ways, this is more a "fantasy team" approach than picking players and adding up stats ferchrissakes :rolleyes:. It's just about people having fun, when their REAL favorite team stays home from the post-season tourney(s). It is not exactly ROOTING, nor probably even rooting, but more likely just kinda rooting.

As UNH fans, it's literally been a full generation - since VERY early in the Coach Umile era, I believe - that the 'Cats have not make it to the D-1 tourney two out of three seasons. That's not a good trend, and a lot of fans are used to at least being engaged in the season until this coming weekend. Heck - there was a series of six post-seasons between '98-'03 where UNH fans were directly engaged in the post-season through its final weekend. We've been spoiled. And now we're finding out what we've been taking for granted isn't in any way a "given" or entitlement. Our friends from the Downeast have been dealing with these shifting realities for a little longer than we have, so it's not necessarily just a "UNH thing". Even perennial powers BU are arguably at an all-time ebb in their program's fortunes.

There's probably a very good discussion topic to be had in the offseason about something a recent poster (I forget who, but it's a page or two ago) said about "what is the acceptable level of expectation for UNH Hockey" these days? A lot of us - myself very definitely included - set our sights relatively low at simply making it to the Garden and the HE semis. The team got there and did that one step further, so kudos to them. But the damage had already been done to UNH's chances to qualify for the D-1 tourney over the course of the RS, and we all saw that writing very clearly on the wall well in advance. So we adjusted our expectations accordingly, and now we end up with a "kinda sorta" semi-happy ending to the season. So be it.

But standing back and looking at this year in the context of what's happened in the preceding seasons ... this season was probably smack-dab right in-between the '01/'02 season (low point) and the '02/'03 season (somewhat false "high" point, largely due to a very quick start). And if you take those three seasons and compare them with the preceding three seasons, there is a slight fall-off ... and with the three seasons before that, a further drop ... and so on right up through the early part of the last decade.

Which brings me back to the whole UMass Lowell thing. There are a LOT of similarities between UML and UNH, if you consider that at both schools, D-1 Men's Hockey is the flagship team and primary revenue generator for their respective schools. Both play in arenas that were built within anout a year of each other, and were both seen at that time as landmark developments in their communities. Both programs can look back at a past history led by iconic coaches (Holt at UNH, Riley at UML) who put their programs on the map. And now both programs have an alum who played with the program under their iconic predecessors, and both have now won a pair of HE Tourney titles while in charge of their respective programs. Both programs have now been to the Frozen Four. I won't go into fanbase comparisons at the risk of pandering, other than to say there are plenty of similarities there as well.

I'm not sure if I posted it on this thread or on another one in recent days ... but it will be interesting to see if UMass Lowell becomes the "next UNH", with strong RS performances, some success in the HE tourney, but ultimately coming up short in the D-1's ... OR ... if they become the "next UMaine", which had a slightly longer period of success, won more HE titles, and did manage to get over the hump to win two D-1 tourneys (ironically with one against UNH, the other ... well, we'll omit the obligatory reference to "clouds" for today).

There is every reason to believe UMass Lowell will be a force in HE (and possibly nationally) for the forseeable future. As a UNH fan, I can either be jealous - which I choose not to be - OR I can simply expect that the folks in charge of the UNH program will just have to "up their game" to compete with the best. Why should I begrudge a program like UML any success they might enjoy, so long as they are doing it on the up-and-up ... just because UNH can't or hasn't been able to keep up?? :rolleyes:

If I take anything out of UML's recent rise to power, it is that if it can happen in Lowell, why not again in Durham?

Good luck to the Riverhawks. I'm kinda sorta rooting for you guys this weekend.

ABBC&ND too. :D JMHO.
 
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Which brings me back to the whole UMass Lowell thing. There are a LOT of similarities between UML and UNH, if you consider that at both schools, D-1 Men's Hockey is the flagship team and primary revenue generator for their respective schools. Both play in arenas that were built within anout a year of each other, and were both seen at that time as landmark developments in their communities. Both programs can look back at a past history led by iconic coaches (Holt at UNH, Riley at UML) who put their programs on the map. And now both programs have an alum who played with the program under their iconic predecessors, and both have now won a pair of HE Tourney titles while in charge of their respective programs. Both programs have now been to the Frozen Four. I won't go into fanbase comparisons at the risk of pandering, other than to say there are plenty of similarities there as well.

I'm not sure if I posted it on this thread or on another one in recent days ... but it will be interesting to see if UMass Lowell becomes the "next UNH", with strong RS performances, some success in the HE tourney, but ultimately coming up short in the D-1's ... OR ... if they become the "next UMaine", which had a slightly longer period of success, won more HE titles, and did manage to get over the hump to win two D-1 tourneys (ironically with one against UNH, the other ... well, we'll omit the obligatory reference to "clouds" for today).

There is every reason to believe UMass Lowell will be a force in HE (and possibly nationally) for the forseeable future. As a UNH fan, I can either be jealous - which I choose not to be - OR I can simply expect that the folks in charge of the UNH program will just have to "up their game" to compete with the best. Why should I begrudge a program like UML any success they might enjoy, so long as they are doing it on the up-and-up ... just because UNH can't or hasn't been able to keep up?? :rolleyes:

If I take anything out of UML's recent rise to power, it is that if it can happen in Lowell, why not again in Durham?

I disagree that the Lowell model is one to be emulated. Remember my typical post, where UNH has had no USHL top 40 scorers in 5 years (except for Goumas, who made #40)? Well, Lowell is pretty close -- they have two: Derek Arnold (#13, 2010), Ryan McGrath #31 2011; Mike fallon #22 (2012). A lot of their talent is drawn from the lesser leagues, the NAHL and EJHL. Finding those players like Hellenbuyck, Folin and Chapie in those leagues requires so much luck that I wouldn't count on it being repeatable.
Without the top end kids, they have to buy into the hard-work model (that Umile would drool over). Whether a team finds the right mix to get that buy-in is iffy.

UNH, on the other hand, has always found top end offensive talent, until the recent period. Make a mistake, and they kill you on skill. Although Umile would love a team of blue collar grinders from Reading/Malden/Melrose, that isn't their model. (As an aside, Umile inherited a very talented Canadian team from Kullen, and spent 1990-93 recruiting the Donovan, Thomson, Chebator grinders he likes, while riding the inherited talent to one good run in 92 during the inherited players' senior year. It was only when McCloskey got him real talent from 93 on that Umile got some success.)
 
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Good call watcher. I'd say Lowell resembles Merrimack from a few seasons ago. Older players blocking shots and grinding out wins behind their stud goalie. Once the luck ran out recruiting (cannata and dacosta) back to same old Merrimack. This is a tough model to sustain.

Merrimack wasn't lucky to avoid BC and never got the HE title like Lowell did (worth noting they avoided BC for both, one a down year and one a brutal 1st round matchup... Excuses excuses).
 
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Just a couple of comments:
First, surprised that TvR signed, or should I say, I am surprised that he would be offered a contract given his size, relative strength, and injury. I have been thinking about his skill set over the past few days in anticipation that he might sign. I though of puck moving defensemen that we have had in the Whittemore Center era. Three come to mind - Filipowicz, Stafford, and Yandle. TvR is clearly better than Yandle, he's not as rugged as Filipowicz and, at least I don't think so, not as skilled as Stafford. Only Stafford had a taste of the NHL, in fact I think he is the only one of the three who played more than 2 or 3 years professionally. I look at TvR's body type and I ask, can he stand up to the rigors of the NHL. I'm not so sure. I guess the two things he has going for him are, first, he is JvR's brother and, second, he may be seen as clone of Torey Krug, undersized but skilled. I wish him well, hope he makes the big dance but I know UNH will miss him next year.

Second thought is on UNH's fortunes this season and how they impact who I root for in the NCAA's. Back 10-15 years ago, a crushing defeat at the hands of BC, BU, Maine, etc. would have sent me off the wall and forced me to hold my breath while I decided whether it is morally acceptable to pull for any of these teams just because they are in Hockey East. While "Never Maine" continues to be a mantra, I have gone soft on other HE schools. This year, I don't know how anybody can work up hostility toward Lowell. For one, UNH was not in the same ballpark as them. So refusing to root for them because they beat the snot out of us seems ludicrous. There is no shame in losing to a team that is clearly better than you. And although Lowell has none of the advantages of BU or BC they just won their second straight league title and have a legit shot to get to another FF. If and when they play BC next Sunday I will be rooting for them

Lastly, I want to correct an error that Watcher continues to make when it comes to the players Umile inherited after Bob Kullen's death. No question that the Class of '92 was the pivotal one for UNH's first rise to success under Umile. But he was an assistant when some of these kids were recruited. Perhaps he wasn't the lead recruiter, but he was part of the process I would assume. Your focus on the Class of '93 (Thomson, etc.) is a little unfair because the next year's incoming freshmen included Boguniecki, Nolan and Murray who, fair to say, were quite impactful for UNH during their ascendency. And I would have to think that Umile was part of the recruiting process with them as well.
 
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I want to see NotHockeastEast University win it this year.
 
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Greg - no disagreement, but some additional thoughts/ways to look at things:

Just a couple of comments:
First, surprised that TvR signed, or should I say, I am surprised that he would be offered a contract given his size, relative strength, and injury. I have been thinking about his skill set over the past few days in anticipation that he might sign. I though of puck moving defensemen that we have had in the Whittemore Center era. Three come to mind - Filipowicz, Stafford, and Yandle. TvR is clearly better than Yandle, he's not as rugged as Filipowicz and, at least I don't think so, not as skilled as Stafford. Only Stafford had a taste of the NHL, in fact I think he is the only one of the three who played more than 2 or 3 years professionally. I look at TvR's body type and I ask, can he stand up to the rigors of the NHL. I'm not so sure. I guess the two things he has going for him are, first, he is JvR's brother and, second, he may be seen as clone of Torey Krug, undersized but skilled. I wish him well, hope he makes the big dance but I know UNH will miss him next year.
I was not surprised. At the risk of sounding like a broken record (dating myself in the process), I suspect he received a nice 6 figure signing bonus, recognizes an opportunity to compete for an NHL slot while understanding he may top out making a very nice living as a career AHL player. He can complete his degree if he wants and... he received the signing bonus while still hobbled by injury. Ask Vince Wilfork what he thinks of TVR's deal.

Second thought is on UNH's fortunes this season and how they impact who I root for in the NCAA's. Back 10-15 years ago, a crushing defeat at the hands of BC, BU, Maine, etc. would have sent me off the wall and forced me to hold my breath while I decided whether it is morally acceptable to pull for any of these teams just because they are in Hockey East. While "Never Maine" continues to be a mantra, I have gone soft on other HE schools. This year, I don't know how anybody can work up hostility toward Lowell. For one, UNH was not in the same ballpark as them. So refusing to root for them because they beat the snot out of us seems ludicrous. There is no shame in losing to a team that is clearly better than you. And although Lowell has none of the advantages of BU or BC they just won their second straight league title and have a legit shot to get to another FF. If and when they play BC next Sunday I will be rooting for them
Spot on. I'll root for them even if not playing BC. :)

Lastly, I want to correct an error that Watcher continues to make when it comes to the players Umile inherited after Bob Kullen's death. No question that the Class of '92 was the pivotal one for UNH's first rise to success under Umile. But he was an assistant when some of these kids were recruited. Perhaps he wasn't the lead recruiter, but he was part of the process I would assume. Your focus on the Class of '93 (Thomson, etc.) is a little unfair because the next year's incoming freshmen included Boguniecki, Nolan and Murray who, fair to say, were quite impactful for UNH during their ascendency. And I would have to think that Umile was part of the recruiting process with them as well.
Years ago, Coach Umile said that Boguniecki was the turning point for UNH hockey recruiting. Once he came to Durham high caliber players started taking a much longer look at UNH and it was easier to get them to commit.
 
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Regarding second teams/teams I root for, they come many ways:

- Familiarity. over the years I've TV watched quite a few North Dakota games. Many years (not so much this) I become familiar with the players and lines, learn how the team is trending. With familiarity I gravitated towards the Sioux (yeah, that's right!) and bing: a favorite.

- Style of play. UML is a perfect example. I love their style, adherence to fundamentals and their system. They are disciplined, physical, but not dirty, relentlessly roll four lines and 6 d-men. A clinical thing of beauty to watch.

- Underdog factor. I don't consider UML an underdog, but they are to the central/west what MN ST is to the east: unknown. I would really enjoy watching, listening, reading about the surprising national champion River Hawks while thinking, "Yeah, I drive 40 minutes on the back roads to see them play just for kicks when the 'cats aren't home and the TV games aren't compelling."

- Mascots. Goldie rocks!

- Skating cheerleaders. Any team with skating cheerleaders is a favorite.

If I learn that their players are substandard UML students with reading comprehension skills that would get them past Duke, but not UNH admissions I will drop the River Hawks faster than you can say Kerouac.
 
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Lastly, I want to correct an error that Watcher continues to make when it comes to the players Umile inherited after Bob Kullen's death. No question that the Class of '92 was the pivotal one for UNH's first rise to success under Umile. But he was an assistant when some of these kids were recruited. Perhaps he wasn't the lead recruiter, but he was part of the process I would assume. Your focus on the Class of '93 (Thomson, etc.) is a little unfair because the next year's incoming freshmen included Boguniecki, Nolan and Murray who, fair to say, were quite impactful for UNH during their ascendency. And I would have to think that Umile was part of the recruiting process with them as well.

Greg, here is the timeline.

1987 Class - recruited by Kullen, Assistants Coady & O'Connor
Pat Szturm
Chris Thayer
Matt Trenovich
Reil Bellegarde
Bill Lacouture
Bruce MacDonald
Pat Morrison
Adrien Plavsic
David MacIntyre
Kevin Dean
Chris Winnes


1988 Class- Kullen HC, Assistants S.Coady/Wayne Wilson
Adam Hayes
Scott Morrow
Steve Morrow
Frank Messina
Mark McGinn
Joe Flanagan
Savo Mitrovic
Domenic Amodeo


1989 - Kullen HC Assistants Coady/Umile & Lassone
Greg Blow
Jeff St.Laurent
Bret Abel
Greg Klym
Jesse Cooper
Kevin Thomson
Jim McGrath

1990 Kullen Assistants Umile & Lassonde
Mike Guilbert
Rob Chebator
Jeff Levy
Rob Donovan
Scott Malone
Glenn Stewart
Jason Dexter

1991 Umile Assitants O'Connor & Lassonde
Cory Cash
Pat Norton
Nick Poole
Jeff Lenz
Eric Royal
Kent Schmidtke
Eric Flinton
Ted Russell

1992 Umile Assistants Serino & Lassonde
Trent Cavicchi
Scott Robison
Erik Fitzgerald
Brian Putnam
Mike McCready
Sean Perry
Steve Pleau
Bryan Muir
Tom O'Brien
Mike Sullivan

1993 Umile Assistants Serino & McCloskey
Erik Johnson
Joey Moran
Tim Murray
Brian Larochelle
Tom Nolan
Dean Woodman
Eric Boguniecki


I think you can see that 87 and 88, containing 8 NHLers or All-Americans, were the backbone to the 91/92 teams. Umile was not involved in any of their recruiting, they were all inherited.

Umile starting as an assistant in 89, the recruiting has few impact players until the 93 class that were McCloskey's first, and that stole Boguniecki from Maine/Bu, Nolan from BC and Maine and Tim Murray from BU/North Dakota. From 89 to 92, you have classes featuring Umile's Boston roots of Thomson, Sullivan, Sean Perry, Scott Malone, Jesse Cooper, Donovan, and Chebator.

If you look, you see Umile taking the inherited classes of 91 and 92 to increase wins to 22 when the inherited class graduated.
The following year, 93, the team featuring mostly Umile's classes from 89-93, fell to 18-17 record
Only in 94 when the McCloskey/Serino first killer class came in, and led the team to a 25-12 record, and they went from there.

From this, we see that the keys to the 91/92 record are the inherited players. After that, Umile's recruited players were negligible. Fortunately, McCloskey's connections to the BCHL/Western Canada, Nolan having a sister at UNH, and Serino's recruiting of Boguniecki gave Umile the foothold for the future, and the following year McCloskey's Bekar/Krog, etc saved Umile from his love of the type of player he was -- blue collar Northshore pluggers.

The most remarkable thing that happened is that Borek convinced Umile to give McCloskey a job. Otherwise Umile surrounds himself with people like him or that he knows -- Serino, Borek, Tortorella.
 
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Years ago, Coach Umile said that Boguniecki was the turning point for UNH hockey recruiting. Once he came to Durham high caliber players started taking a much longer look at UNH and it was easier to get them to commit.

Boguniecki, who grew up in West Haven, Conn., was a highly touted recruit coming out of Westminster Academy, where he accumulated 59-64-123 totals in two seasons. He selected UNH, in part, because of the coaching staff. He said Boston University and Maine were among the schools that recruited him heavily. "I could have gone anywhere," he said. "I wanted to stay in the East so my parents could come watch me play. What sold me was Coach (Chris) Serino. He'd come to my hockey games, my lacrosse games, my football games _ he was at them all. I meshed well with Coach (Dick) Umile. We hit it off from the first visit. It was a real love-hate relationship, but we seemed to think alike.

A week later Tom Nolan committed
Nolan, a 5-10, 175-pound center from Springfield, Mass., and Larochelle, a 6-1, 180-pound goaltender, selected UNH after visiting the campus last weekend. Nolan is considered the prize jewel of UNH’s recruiting class. A creative playmaker and scorer, the Avon Old Farms forward was among the top recruits in the country. He visited Maine, Boston College and St. Lawrence and was also being recruited by Michigan, Michigan State and Providence.
“I love the coaches,” Nolan said of the UNH staff. “The coaches were just great plus I love the campus. I want to get my degree and help the team win a national championship,” he added. “They’re striving to get better and better every day. I think they’re working toward and striving toward a national championship. I think we can do it in a couple of year.” Nolan is hoping to be an impact player. “I can’t wait to get up there,” he said. Nolan scored 29 goals and dished out 24 assists last season for Avon. As a sophomore, he scored 39 points (15 goals, 24 assists). His older sister, Amy, is a senior at UNH.

That's what's called recruiting momentum -- a coaching staff able to connect with the players and convince them the program is on the way up, and you can be part of it.

That's the same momentum Kullen was able to use to get the 87 and 88 classes in his first two years that had 8 NHlers/All-Americans. Basically, UNH is a good situation, and just need a good narrative.

Once the program stalls, and retreats, its almost impossible to get the same buy-in until a new wave of coaches comes through. For all we push for having a younger assistant come in, I'm afraid the impact will not be the same, as the narrative of "program on the way up" with a 66 year old HC is a difficult sale.
 
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Years ago, Coach Umile said that Boguniecki was the turning point for UNH hockey recruiting. Once he came to Durham high caliber players started taking a much longer look at UNH and it was easier to get them to commit.

In some ways it seems like UNH needs a recruiting reboot.

I think much of it has to do with the evaluators - McCloskey could pick'm and land'm, I am not sure if Borek can.

I have been told the same thing about Boguniecki. I have pondered on it before.

The second piece of UNH recruiting deals with Boguniecki, did he become a draw, and because he was on the team did other good players come. That would then lead a line of good players Boguniecki (then Nolan) to Mowers & Nickulas to Krog & Bekar to Souza & Filipowicz to seems to be a gap in 97-98 to Haydar & Conklin... After this I think the line of true high end talent starts getting weaker. Gare, Hemingway, Colins and Saviano (amazing growth at UNH) were excellent players but the top end was not as high. Now maybe some of that is changing defense and goalies in college hockey but I think some is the caliber of player. Three years after Haydar & Conklin in 98-99 McCloskey leaves the mens program.

I have been wondering who the next "draw" is for UNH. Will there be a next draw. I had hoped JvR was going to do that, he has/had the pedigree NDP player, NHL high pick, etc. But he did not pop while at UNH like the others did and he didn't stay even the 3 years of Nickulas or Bekar. Looking back he loafed while at UNH, it is why we didn't think he was ready and he was in the NHL the next year.

So who is that draw? I hope it is a combination of Pesce (hope he stays) & Kelleher (going to need to get better), then Eiserman and Foegele. Has some of that already lead to promising players like Nazarian?
 
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Watcher... I don't disagree with your assertions about Umile liking blue collar pluggers from the Northshore. It seems his default. I think in recent years we have seen that default return (not necessarily the Northshore part).

The one thing I do disagree with is that "Kullen" setup Umile's teams. As wonderful a person as Kullen was I think an over looked piece of the puzzle was Sean Coady the guy on the road looking at the players (at least that is how I understand it).
 
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In some ways it seems like UNH needs a recruiting reboot.

I think much of it has to do with the evaluators - McCloskey could pick'm and land'm, I am not sure if Borek can.

I have been told the same thing about Boguniecki. I have pondered on it before.

The second piece of UNH recruiting deals with Boguniecki, did he become a draw, and because he was on the team did other good players come. That would then lead a line of good players Boguniecki (then Nolan) to Mowers & Nickulas to Krog & Bekar to Souza & Filipowicz to seems to be a gap in 97-98 to Haydar & Conklin... After this I think the line of true high end talent starts getting weaker. Gare, Hemingway, Colins and Saviano (amazing growth at UNH) were excellent players but the top end was not as high. Now maybe some of that is changing defense and goalies in college hockey but I think some is the caliber of player. Three years after Haydar & Conklin in 98-99 McCloskey leaves the mens program.

I have been wondering who the next "draw" is for UNH. Will there be a next draw. I had hoped JvR was going to do that, he has/had the pedigree NDP player, NHL high pick, etc. But he did not pop while at UNH like the others did and he didn't stay even the 3 years of Nickulas or Bekar. Looking back he loafed while at UNH, it is why we didn't think he was ready and he was in the NHL the next year.

So who is that draw? I hope it is a combination of Pesce (hope he stays) & Kelleher (going to need to get better), then Eiserman and Foegele. Has some of that already lead to promising players like Nazarian?
:)
 
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Watcher... I don't disagree with your assertions about Umile liking blue collar pluggers from the Northshore. It seems his default. I think in recent years we have seen that default return (not necessarily the Northshore part).

The one thing I do disagree with is that "Kullen" setup Umile's teams. As wonderful a person as Kullen was I think an over looked piece of the puzzle was Sean Coady the guy on the road looking at the players (at least that is how I understand it).

Kind of my point. I knew Bob Kullen pretty well. He was a wonderful guy and I have no doubt that he knew the game and wanted to coach it in the mold of his mentors, Sid Watson and Charlie Holt, who were best friends. However, when Kullen came to UNH as Charlie's #1 assistant, the quality of players brought in dropped fairly quickly from the glory days of the late '70's and early '80's. Admittedly the level of sophistication in recruiting had increased from the days when Charlie and Bob Norton could look at the Globe and Herald All-Scholastics, take a run down to look at a couple of games, and sign up guys like Cap Raeder in March or April of their senior year in high school. Kullen had some good gets, Steve Leach & Mike Rossetti come to mind, but overall the talent level dropped just as the competition got fiercer, both in recruiting and the brand new Hockey East Assn. and its interlocking schedule with the WCHA. It is no accident that the abysmal years of the late 80's produced something like 20 wins in three years. These results came about under Kullen's watch as chief recruiter and then head coach. I have no proof but I was told by several people in the know back then that Kullen was told, get new assistants, get better players, or you're gone. Of course, his health went downhill shortly after that and he was not behind the bench much but the fact remains that his performance as a talent evaluator was not the best. JB is correct with his reference to Sean Coady, who had a better eye for talent and had a better way of impressing upon the players the mystique of UNH Hockey. I have heard great stories of recruiting trips with Coady. Not sure how much to believe and the guys who told them to me are now sadly gone but I have no doubt that Sean was the pivotal recruiter for UNH in the late '80's. The other interesting think in all this is the role Serino played. No doubt McCloskey was #1, but the Boguniecki quote doesn't surprise me nor does the fact that the Haydar family had tons of respect for Serino. Persistence on both counts paid off big time for UNH, and under Umile's watch. I just wish he could grasp that the Coady/Serino model of the past is not being duplicated today. Like I said earlier, let's see what this touted incoming class does. For me anyway, failure is no longer an option.
 
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Greg - no disagreement, but some additional thoughts/ways to look at things:
I was not surprised. At the risk of sounding like a broken record (dating myself in the process), I suspect he received a nice 6 figure signing bonus, recognizes an opportunity to compete for an NHL slot while understanding he may top out making a very nice living as a career AHL player. He can complete his degree if he wants and... he received the signing bonus while still hobbled by injury. Ask Vince Wilfork what he thinks of TVR's deal.

I agree, Darius and Greg. Nice D-man UNH example for TvR to emulate might be Bryan Muir, from Umile's first year as coach in 1992, with Serino and Lassonde as assistants. Muir played as a pro from 1995 to 2009 (14 years), with a significant number of games on the Blackhawks in 1998-99 and the Caps in 2005-2006.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/pdisplay.php?pid=15967
 
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We can quibble on the specific degree to which the people put UNH back on the right path, but what is consistent is that it is a young person's game. Downturns occurred when Coach Holt got older, upturns when new coach and new assistants, Coady, Kullen, McCloskey, come on. We also can agree that the success is due to personal relationships, rather than physical facilities.

Most of us can see that.

Here's hoping for a great 25th year Silver aniversary for Coach Umile.
 
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In some ways it seems like UNH needs a recruiting reboot.

I think much of it has to do with the evaluators - McCloskey could pick'm and land'm, I am not sure if Borek can.

Borek is the only reason this program isn't on the bottom every year. look at the guys he's brought in, Borek recruits (Not Umile, not Lassonde, not Tortorella):
JvR (drafted 2nd over all. Not even York can say he's done that)
Goumas
Pesce
Thompson
Sislo
Kessel
Butler
Foster
Regan
Radja
Dries
Fornataro
Trevor Smith
Winnik

Players he got to commit but never came for various reasons:
Johnny Gaudreau (admissions on summer vacation)
Joey Laleggia
Keith Yandle
Ryan Bourque
Mike Vecchione

Hell the guy never left Boston after the loss on Saturday. Took a cab to Logan and flew to Michigan to try to win this team a NC by recruiting players. Will it ever happen? Who knows, but you can't say the guy can't recruit. My guess is he needs help recruiting a.k.a. other UNH coaches hitting the road to search for the next JvR
 
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